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Posted by alross2 on Saturday, October 7, 2006 6:09 PM

are the D/Cs the same dia. as the Torp tubes?

Nope.  The standard 300 pound MK6 charge is 17.625" x 27.625".

Al Ross

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 7, 2006 1:31 AM
 cthulhu77 wrote:

  In regards to the paint modifications from spec, the deviation was astounding.  Since the mosquito boats were basically considered to be a joke by most of the upper echelon, they didn't draw much in the way of supplies, and had to make do with what no one else wanted. No fifty cal ammunition? well, take off the fifties and put on BAR's or whatever you had floating around...lash some mortars you "borrowed" to the deck...hey, did you see those five gallon cans of aircraft paint on the loading dock? Hmmm...

   It is what makes these tough little boats so impressive. American ingenuity at it's finest.



At some point someone tried out a bazooka mounted on a tripod iirc. Now that' an interesting  tidbit.
The guys in the foreward areas scavenged for anything they deemed useful. It also adds to making our hobby more interestingTongue [:P]
Speaking of which, I've been slowly working on the 109 trying to do a half decent job on the sanding & cleaning up the seam lines & flash, pin marks,etc.
I know, I know, I need to post some picsAshamed [*^_^*] Need to get a camera that I can get film forSigh [sigh]
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, October 3, 2006 12:05 AM
 cthulhu77 wrote:
Yeah, but the BARmaids were really ugly!


Ugliest I ever saw!!Black Eye [B)]

I've pretty much got the deck sanded & am doing filler now. Tongue [:P] Gee, what fun...

Here's a Question [?] for y'all... are the D/Cs the same dia. as the Torp tubes?   I came upon a sratchbuilt  D/C on steelnavy.com recently and the guy (name escapes me at the moment) used a 3/8' dia. tube to make the D/C  (Garth, he's a buddy of yours)
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Posted by cthulhu77 on Monday, October 2, 2006 9:42 PM
Yeah, but the BARmaids were really ugly!
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Posted by DURR on Monday, October 2, 2006 9:32 PM

 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
BARs in the turrets?  I've heard of them having an Oerlikon 20mm in the turrets on a Mark 12 mount - can you verify that a boat had BARs in the turrets?

well the pt73 had booze in one of the torpedo tubes so the need bars in the turretsLaugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Monday, October 2, 2006 8:41 PM
No photographic evidence, if that is what you mean. Just the stories from my dad and his mates, when they described using damn near anything they could find to shoot with. I doubt they mounted them on the pintles, but jury rigged a fitting. Lots of the PT boat crews had friends in the seabee's, and quite a few were pre-war construction types, used to fabricating on the fly.
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, October 2, 2006 10:53 AM
BARs in the turrets?  I've heard of them having an Oerlikon 20mm in the turrets on a Mark 12 mount - can you verify that a boat had BARs in the turrets?
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Posted by cthulhu77 on Monday, October 2, 2006 10:17 AM

  In regards to the paint modifications from spec, the deviation was astounding.  Since the mosquito boats were basically considered to be a joke by most of the upper echelon, they didn't draw much in the way of supplies, and had to make do with what no one else wanted. No fifty cal ammunition? well, take off the fifties and put on BAR's or whatever you had floating around...lash some mortars you "borrowed" to the deck...hey, did you see those five gallon cans of aircraft paint on the loading dock? Hmmm...

   It is what makes these tough little boats so impressive. American ingenuity at it's finest.

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Posted by DURR on Monday, October 2, 2006 7:49 AM
 afulcher wrote:

Interesting that they selected the V-12's as the cars with the V-12's were discontinued after 1939. Was someone trying to liquidate inventory?

Andy

they were avation eng. not the same as the car eng  and were super charged they were much bigger than the car eng.

i been to battle cove and i have seen the v-12 in a 34 packard

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:00 PM

Andy,

No.  PTs were not all one color.  Of course just before the war and just after the start of hostilities - yeah they were, in Ms.1 or that attractive scheme that you sometimes see photos of PT-103 and PT-117 in of the two Grays, but once they got into the field, they were camouflaged, often by the crews using locally acquired paints, applied by whatever methods the crews could have used ...

Garth

 

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:44 AM
 smokinguns3 wrote:
Wise guy you said you had one it just takes crappy pics.


yup, a Polariod & I can't find the 600 film for it anywheresBanged Head [banghead]
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:35 AM
Wise guy you said you had one it just takes crappy pics.
Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:33 AM
 smokinguns3 wrote:
Oh hell know you aint gettin away with out any pics RUFF RUFF RUFF I want pics. My turn to be a porgress dog Ruff.


Shock [:O] Well, if ya want pics... send me a cameraWhistling [:-^]
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:31 AM
Oh hell know you aint gettin away with out any pics RUFF RUFF RUFF I want pics. My turn to be a porgress dog Ruff.
Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:29 AM
Thanks MichelThumbs Up [tup] Be sure to post how you scratchbuild the air horn as I'm giving that some thought tooTongue [:P]
I've been checking your thread as I work on minesince you've made alot of headway with the WEM set. Looks very good too.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:19 AM

Ed,

sorry, I did not answer you before.  I stop the building during some days, next step will be to scratchbuild some parts (horn, air vents,...)

You are right, fuel caps must be sanded too.

Michel

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:43 AM
I'm back on this build. Sorry, no pics. Stil need to get a decent cameraAshamed [*^_^*]
I did get another kit (Thanks Greg!!) I've been sanding the eck down these past few days following Michel's  progress pics of the PT-117 for thr G/B so, I think I'll be alright this time around. I am wondering about the Fuel caps tho, do they need to come off as well?

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 7:16 PM
Very interesting runkelBig Smile [:D] Thanks for sharing this with us.You might want to post it on the Torpedo Boat G/B threadThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by runkel on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 1:28 PM

Guy's

You might want to check this out http://pt728.com/ found it on a fishing website.

Jim
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:33 PM
I ahve not done anything on this in a spell as many of you know, there was a death in the family & I have been dealing with those issues.
I also realised I screwed up on the deck by removing the torp tube mounts completely. I am hoping that I can get back into the swing of things so I can finish this up before too long.

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, June 4, 2006 1:55 AM
Man, I thought I had seen one in there but, it coulda been for a "Capitol Ship" Oh well, we could always drop WEM a line & make a suggestion or twoBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by weebles on Saturday, June 3, 2006 11:25 AM

Thanks for the link.  No PT radar there unfortunately.  Looks like a great opportunity for WEM! 

Dave

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, June 3, 2006 10:09 AM
 weebles wrote:

No flooding fortunately

Have not heard of Simar?  Can you give me some more information. 

I scratch built a 1/48 scale radar mast for my BlueJacket kit.  That's going on PT-105. 

Dave



Glad to hear that!
here's the link
http://www.sirmarmodelships.com/
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Posted by weebles on Saturday, June 3, 2006 9:58 AM

No flooding fortunately

Have not heard of Simar?  Can you give me some more information. 

I scratch built a 1/48 scale radar mast for my BlueJacket kit.  That's going on PT-105. 

Dave

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:46 PM
 weebles wrote:

Nope.  Work, repairing toilet over two nights, and sprinkler repair has kept me out of the basement.   I hope to get at it in a few days.  The good news is no mushroom clouds over the house as a result of modeling or any of the previously mentioned chores.

Eddie, all the WEM upgrades sound great.  But one important omission is radar.  Hopefully the good folks at WEM will organize a PT radar mast.My 2 cents [2c]

Dave



Don't tell me ya flooded out the basement!!Shock [:O] Man, over 2 nights repairing a toilet? The superglue wasn't working?!Wink [;)] At least no mushroom cloudBig Smile [:D]
Yeah, I hear ya on the radar mast. I think John@WEM takes suggestions. I've enjoyed the Customer Service I've received from WEMThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
I think Simar (?) might have them. Not sure tho.
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Posted by weebles on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:05 PM

Nope.  Work, repairing toilet over two nights, and sprinkler repair has kept me out of the basement.   I hope to get at it in a few days.  The good news is no mushroom clouds over the house as a result of modeling or any of the previously mentioned chores.

Eddie, all the WEM upgrades sound great.  But one important omission is radar.  Hopefully the good folks at WEM will organize a PT radar mast.My 2 cents [2c]

Dave

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Friday, June 2, 2006 8:14 AM
Well, I don't know what I'm actually going to do at the moment...Confused [%-)] The thought of using late war torps & roll off racks has it's appeal right now & do up a different PT say, the 105? and then later, do up the 109 as intended. Will see what happens...
Any luck on your experiment Dave?

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:35 PM
Any one know of a good set of 1/72 ship fittings & accessories that'll work on this thingy-majig?Confused [%-)] Torp Tubes, Depth Charges, ladders & water tight doors, etc?
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:18 AM
email inbound DaveSmile [:)]  I hear ya on the various paints, it all depended on what was at hand at the time. Think they might have even used captured Jap paints at some point? We may never know the full story but, I s'pose that's what makes modeling a fun hobbyBig Smile [:D]


Huh? Who's watching?Confused [%-)]Evil [}:)]

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Posted by weebles on Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:43 AM

Eddie,

Send me your email and I'll send you what I sent to Garth.  My email is davidwaples@comcast.net.

All we can go by is the photographic evidence, documented evidence, and what the people that were actually there remembered.  The photo evidence is confusing since it's black and white in various lighting conditions.  Photos of this squadron's boats in route to Rendova look pretty dark but on inspection you can see where the paint is worn away from use in high traffic areas.  John has documented evidence of what pigments were handy at the time and in the area.  I've gone round and round with John on this topic.  The bottom line is that neither of us is positive about what happened with these boats.  A gentlemen who actually scrapped the paint off boats in this squadron described the color as "forest green" before they turned around and put a camo scheme on them.  That same gentleman also said that the salt water and sun played hell on the paint.  So yea, weather the hell out of whatever you do.   

So at the end of the day you have to go with your gut and do what seems logical.  Personally I have two boats in progress and I'm sure I'll try two different techniques on them.

Dave       

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