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Finished 15cm Sturm-Infanteriegeschutz 33 auf Pz III Jan 26

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  • From: West Yorkshire UK
Posted by Liggy on Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:27 AM

Hi Tony,

thought I'd mosie over here to follow your build. Ive just stripped down an old StugIII for parts and it was fitted with Fruil Ostketten so my plans for a Dunkelgelb SIG have been shelved in favour of a whitewashed version.

Really like what youve done so far,

Regards Paul

 

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:37 AM

Paul I can only say you're a brave soul.Toast

First coat of hair spray is on and drying.

I hr. later: Second coat H.S. on and drying.

Tony Lee

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:20 PM

It has started: Doing the front first.

Straight from the bottle slopped on areas of least wear, armor plates around the gun,bolt heads and globs at random here and there.

Mixed 55%paint to 45% water and sprayed the whole front and varied the opaqueness as I went along.

Will let it dry for 20 to 30 minutes and start scrubbing.

Lord Help Me

Tony LeeSmile

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:26 PM

Looks good with the decals on Tony, looking forward to the results of the hairspray/whitewash over it. Sounds like that's in progress so don't keep us waiting too long for the pics! Big Smile

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Posted by scratchmod on Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:14 PM

OK Tony, I've been watching from the side lines and now that the paint is on, and a white wash Big Smile things are getting fun. The PG looks great, but the white wash is going to make this baby awesome. I can't wait for the up date pics.

 

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:25 PM

Oh Lordy from the way it looks right now this may be my first and last white wash.Tongue Tied

Tony Lee

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Posted by panzerguy on Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:33 PM

Pvt Mutt

Oh Lordy from the way it looks right now this may be my first and last white wash.Tongue Tied

Tony Lee

  Tony dont be discouraged. Just remember even after a few weeks a field applied whitewash could look pretty nasty.

   Looking forward to seeing some pics of the progress.

              Steve

 

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:37 PM

The wife just saw it,screamed "What Have You Done" and faintedOops but her opinion doesn't count as much as yours,my peers. You won't hurt my feelings so lets have it.

Waiting on you now

Tony LeeSmile

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:04 PM

That looks great Tony. I think you've caught on quickly.

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Posted by Liggy on Friday, January 22, 2010 3:48 AM

Looks real good Tony!  A few more finer paint peels around the areas where you get more traffic and movement..crew access, stowage bins etc and youve got it well and truly nailed.

Very impressive buddy!

Regards PaulBig Smile

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Posted by the doog on Friday, January 22, 2010 6:14 AM

Very good, Tony! But it's not nearly finished....

Now, throw a ligt wash of raw umber oils on it--you don't want t priistine white like some bride on her wedding day.

Then, try a little more drybrushing with the base color. You want to throw your entire arsenal of effects at it. Highlight all those protrusions with a little gray.

Get a sewing needle or similar type implement and add some fine scratches. Those scratches will also help you get under the paint more to the hairspray, so give it yet another shot at rubbing some smaller patches off.

Even try some sandpaper and give it a scrap or two across the tops of those storgae bins on the back, just for kicks. Like I said--throw everything you can at it.

Judging from the amount of erosion you got, I think that you might have gone a bit heavy on the whitewash coat. It looks pretty opaque to me. Also, I just don't think that you've given it enough of a rubdown yet. Try to attack those fenders more--like I said, some fine scratches will help yuo get under the white--or, it's possible that just some careful drybrushing willl throw all those high spots into relief and make the effect all just come together.

Good man--you're showing your cajones! Surprise lol!

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:31 AM

Ditto What you've got is a good start Tony, how much you decide to attack the wear is up to you but I would recommend at a minimum trying to vary up the wear a little bit between the different areas so it's not an all-or-nothing look. Yes

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:45 AM

Hold on folks, sometimes I think you forget i'm still a babe in the woods when it comes to modeling. If I could sit down with you, you could point out or show me what you intend for me to do but since i'm not you need to draw me a picture with words and not be so general in your description of what I need or could do.

Example: hey Tony, on the rear box lower left facing side needs a few more scratches or it need the corner ripped off.  Not, that box on the back needs more work.  If you have Photo Shop and can use arrows or boxes to point out these things that would be even better but I know that is asking for a little much.

So Bill could you elaborate a little more about "vary the wear a little bit between the different areas so it's not an all-or-nothing look"?

I'm not trying to be rude because I appreciate every little scrap of advise and help I can get.

I'm just a dumb and dense as a rock green horn.Smile

Tony Lee

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Posted by hughes2682 on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:14 AM

Tony,

Lighten up on yourself there chief.  This beastie is in a transitional stage.  Yes, the white wash looks rather stark but, if you look past that you are on the right path.  Ditto to what the Doog said.  As far as what to do and where (i.e. being given a picture with words), simply think "If I were driving this through my neighbors shrubs ,small trees  and, tool shed where might the scratches happen", "If myself and my crew were climbing on and over this beast, where might the highest wear happen? The least wear?". What layers lie underneath that would show through when the upper layers are worn off.  In short, picture in your mind how this vehicle would interact with the environment and, what kind of environment is it in.  Take a close look at all the stuff outside your house, the construction equipment, cars, trucks, and whatever else gets dirty and worn outside.  Just a thought.

Oh yeah!  The build is looking mighty good!Yes

Cheers
Dave 

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, January 22, 2010 1:14 PM

Sorry Dave sometimes I get carried away and turn into a fanatic.Bang Head

Thanks and that is good advise.                                                                                                             Tony Lee

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:18 PM

Sorry Tony, didn't mean to sound vague in the response! Oops

The thing to remember, in addition to what Dave said in his post, is that the whitewash wasn't applied like paint (although there are cases where it was...no hard and fast rules here due to it being expedient camo!). It was usually slopped on by the crews using any manner of methods from rags, mops, paint brushes, etc. and was designed to be temporary and also removable when it was no longer snowy. This meant that it was very susceptible to wear, scratching, etc. that would remove it. Anything that would be routinely accessed or handled by the crew would show wear on the whitewash and of course any mud or dirt accumulation would further discolor the white and/or cause it to degrade...depending on the time of year of course. On the Russian front when winter set in the ground froze hard...so hard that it was impossible for troops to dig in for example...it was only in the thaws around spring time that you would get a lot of mud to go with the cold, so I wouldn't go toooo heavy on the weathering if you want to show a dead-of-winter vehicle.  Hope that's a little more informative! Wink

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:29 PM

OK so mud is really not an option other than the normal day to day grit and grime that the tracks would throw up. This one was spray painted by a traveling paint contractor that had to slop some on the front with a brush while the rest was being sprayed because the crew had orders to move out suddenly.Big Smile

So in reality the white wash is liable to look just about like anything you could dream up except uniform so there is no reason to worry about how it looks. I can dig it.Yes

Thanks                                                                                                                                                Tony Lee

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Posted by hughes2682 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:40 AM
Tony, No need to apologize about getting carried away with fanatacism. It's just nice to know that there is a kindred spirit out there. LOL! Keep up the fanatacism! Cheers Dave

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 5:47 AM

Tony - Every new technique requires the onions to try it, the patience to work it, and the eye to pull it off. You have all that in spades. Hang in there. A scratch here a bit of dirt there and you are in!!

You are off to a great start on the white wash.....I'm not the "german" expert but you are getting good advice form the resident germaholics...

We are all here to help

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by EliteModelling on Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:21 AM

that is one fine model.cant wait to see it finnished.  Big Smile

-Adam

 

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Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:53 AM

ToastWow,

I'm not on here for a day or two and you seem to have really got this one sorted. I've only ever done on whitewash before (Marder III) and t's still my personal favourite. A piece with a decent whitewash scheme is hard to beat imo.

I got lucky and fluked mine by using not a dry brush, but a damp-brush loaded with white and literally smooshed onto each panel. It worked well and I managed to get plenty of the basecoat grey to show through too. I don't think I'd even heard of the 'hairspray' method then!

I can't wait to see this one when it's finished Tony. Top work as usual Sir!

ATVB

Ben

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, January 23, 2010 5:52 PM

OK Gentleman feast your eyes on this after a day of slingin and gettin.Smile

Doog told me if I ever wanted to have big cajones I had to throw caution to the wind and even the kitchen sink if I had one.

Do I need a wheel-barrow or a teaspoon to carry the load?Big Smile

Tony Lee

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Posted by detailfreak on Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:27 PM

not to shabby for a new guy! at the whitewash game i mean.Yes

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:18 PM

Now we're talkin' Tony! That looks much much better regardless of the carrying mechanism you employ! Wink

On the right side the large bare patch aft of the vehicle # and cross is sticking out a bit but I think once you fit the spare track runs on that side it will look just right since they will cover that space almost perfectly! Yes

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:19 PM

Thanks FreakSmile

Bill yeah I think it will work out and the helmets will be hanging on the wire just above too.

Thank you Tex

Tony Lee

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:08 PM

Pvt Mutt

I'm just a dumb and dense as a rock green horn.Smile

No you're not,  but that fits me to a tee though.

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:45 PM

Jeez Tony that is real nice.

Marc  

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:22 AM

Tony, I know who I'd call if I ever need my 15cm Sturm-Infanteriegeschutz 33 auf Pz III whitewashed.

The man...

The legend...

The forum member with the biggest cajones in recent history.......drum roll, please...

PRIVATE MUTT Bow Down Waahooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

Tony, you done yourself proud! I think that look is what you were going for, if I'm not mistaken? I think it looks old, well-worn, used, and early-spring DIRTY! AWESOME! Stick out tongue

What do YOU think of it is what's more important--didi you get the effect you were after? And more importantly--what didi you learn?

You learned a new technique--and one that can be used in a myriad of ways; form whitewashes, to rust effects, to severe paint degradation. Works wonders on mufflers, too by the way.

Congratulations for taking s big step forward and for having the courage to break out of your mode!

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:57 AM

Tony....you found your acorn and I can see why

Your no light weight or newbie anymore......Very nice work

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:09 AM

Oh brother you guys need to lighten up.I've got a heart condition and i'm not suppose to laugh that hard.Big SmileMike every time I see that ground squirrel photo I crack up.

Karl you ask if I got the look I was after, well not really but I gave myself enough leeway to play with and to come up with something I would be happy with. What did I learn? The main thing is to do a little more research when attempting a new technique. After I went fanatic on you guys I turned to Google and found that Hair Spray post over on the M.I.G. forum and there is an awful lot of great info there to be had.

I didn't want to start over so I just tried to save what had been a bad situation in my eyes and learn from it.

I think i'm under control now that you guys got my feet back on the ground.ToastThanks                                          Tony LeeSmile

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