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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:15 PM
I think I've got a Hog in the boneyard if you decide you want the wing. Are you using 1:48 or 1:72 Osprey sponsons?

I was thinking about your gun situation earlier and this came to mind:




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Posted by LemonJello on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:19 AM

I'm using the 1/72 sponsors that I carved off.  I'm happy with the wing from that kit as well.  Now, if you know of anyone with some spare hellfires and launchers laying around, we can deal...

That's an interesting idea, hang a chain gun to this side with some type of system to give me a little traverse and elevation.  Maybe even one on each side?  Or I could put a gun pod-type setup on my centerline pylon and then still have two stations for missiles/rockets. 

Heck, I may just go ahead and put one pylon under each wing that can only be used in "helo mode." 

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Posted by Par429 on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:40 AM

Hey, really glad to see that you all are making some progress on your configs.  I'd love to see some pictures.  LJ, I bought far to many kits when I was building my Escort, so I have some Hellfire and launchers left over that you are welcome to. 

Phil

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Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:14 AM
Hmmm.... I think you're onto something with that central gun pod idea. Your F-35Bs will carry it's cannon in an external, central mounted belly pod. There you go - commonality!

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Posted by LemonJello on Friday, February 24, 2006 7:34 AM

Phil, I'll take you up on the offer of those Hellfires, thank you, sir.  I was going to try to come up with something from my current stocks, but I really wanted a missile.  Iron bombs, even LGBs just didn't seem to fit the profile I had in my mind for this bird.

I'd post photos, but most of my work is only in my mind for the next few months.  Then, once I get back, I plan on getting some of these projects knocked out.  This one and my AV-22 are tops of the list.  I've got to make room for the kits I'll be buying once I'm home. 

I'm really leaning toward that gunpod, then I wouldn't be limited as much as I would be with a turret.  I'm thinking a 20mm or 30mm chain gun-type rather than a gatling would work well. Dual ammo feed for AP and HE maybe?

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Posted by Trigger on Friday, February 24, 2006 1:12 PM
Well, you could always go with this:
"Advanced Tactical Lasers (ATL)

The U.S. Army wants to develop an airborne tactical laser for use by special operations forces. The system is intended to be mounted on a V-22 tilt rotor or CH-47 Chinook helicopter, to be used for covert activities such as setting fires.35 The ATL would use a COIL, the same technology used on the ABL program. However, the power output by the Army's system would be at levels around 50-75 kW and the maximum range of the system will only be several kilometers,. The system will have a sealed exhaust system. The U.S. Special Operations Command is sponsoring the technology demonstration. Boeing has been advancing the ATL concept, but the Army has yet to make a decision on whether to complete the program."

Complete Article

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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Friday, February 24, 2006 4:39 PM

Here's some real-world news to give the tilt-rotor escort and AV-22 builds some teeth:

Marine Corps Special Operations Command Activated
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,89330,00.html?ESRC=marinenews.RSS

Maybe these craft would have a home in a Marine-type "SOAR" unit, if not fleet squadrons. Food for hypothetical thought, anyways. Keep up the great work on these scratchbuilt wonders, guys.

 

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Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:32 AM

That's a possibility, make them fall under a SpecOps composite squadron that could create detachments to be tasked out to a MEU or other unit as needed.  Like you said, food for thought, AH1Wsnake.

I think I'll stay away from any "lasers" (unless they're attached to friggin sharks' heads) and just rely on proven systems for the weapons suite on this one.  A 30mm chain gun and some Hellfires will do nicely.  I'll admit, its fun to think of different loadouts, I don't know about using it in a SEAD/Iron Hand role, but a pair of Harpoons would make quick work of most nations' naval inventory. 

Trigger, I need to watch Fletch again, I'm fresh out of quotes. 

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:12 AM

 LemonJello wrote:
I'm really leaning toward that gunpod, then I wouldn't be limited as much as I would be with a turret.  I'm thinking a 20mm or 30mm chain gun-type rather than a gatling would work well. Dual ammo feed for AP and HE maybe?

What about using the idea from the Hokum but turn the gun so that it pivots in the horizontal plane?  You can still use most any weapon that would fit under the plane and it expands the field of fire a great deal over a gun pod.  A 30mm would give alot of punch without too much of a space/weight penalty.  This is one of the ideas that I have been kicking around.

Mac

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Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:48 AM
Oh, I'm thinking about it, and I'll give it a good mock-up when I get a chance, but I think I'll come back to the big limiting factor with my design; the rotor disk in forward flight will be right close to the fuselage, not leaving much room for anything that's not close to directly under the hull.  It's still worth a look.  I'll keep knocking all these ideas around my skull until I can really settle on something that I like.  Keep the ideas rolling in, though, its a good mental exercise.
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Posted by Screaminhelo on Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:32 PM

Finally! Some shots of the Beast!



There is alot to be done here but this is the basic concept.  I am doing alot of thinking on the tail and the rotors.  Weapons loadout is still pretty open right now too.

I'll do a little editing on these and try to make them show up a little better

Mac

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Posted by LemonJello on Monday, February 27, 2006 6:36 AM

"Aaaagggghhhh, my eyes! My eyes!  They burn!...Those photos should come with a warning about the elderly, small children and those with heart conditions should not view them!"

Seriously, though, that's a lot of serious work you've put into the "Beast".  It makes the amount of putty that I'm going to have to use seem pretty trivial.  I'm digging the design, and its fun to try and figure out which parts from which kits you're using.  Plus, you've got a lot of room for the things that go "boom!" under the wings.   I think you'll easily have the heaviest armed escort of the bunch, Screaminhelo.  Heck, you probably had that one won with the A-10's cannon.  Keep the updates coming!

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Posted by Trigger on Monday, February 27, 2006 10:16 AM
Mac -
I look at that and all I can think about that is "You're one ugly Censored [censored]!" I think that you've taken away the Ugly Award from my design. Bravo!!!!! Wings look real good, what with that upsweep and all.

Lemonjello -
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Posted by DanCooper on Monday, February 27, 2006 11:43 AM
OMG, thanks alot, now my monitor is busted.......


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Posted by MBT70 on Thursday, March 2, 2006 12:50 PM

Here's and idea ... and easy to do besides.  What if you made the empennage into a V-configuration like a Beechcraft Bonanza or a Fougia Magistar?  That would clean up the lines, reduce weight and still be aerodynamically in synch with the rest of the airframe.

 

Just thinkin' out loud .....

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Posted by grandadjohn on Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:03 PM
Wierd, yes, ugly don't know, but coming along good
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Posted by Screaminhelo on Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:26 PM
 MBT70 wrote:

Here's and idea ... and easy to do besides.  What if you made the empennage into a V-configuration like a Beechcraft Bonanza or a Fougia Magistar?  That would clean up the lines, reduce weight and still be aerodynamically in synch with the rest of the airframe.

That has crossed my mind more than once.  I am also re-thinking the whole aft fuselage since seeing a V-22 here yesterday.

Mac

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:17 PM
many more mods and this piece will be heading to the sci-fi forum.Clown [:o)]
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Posted by LemonJello on Friday, March 3, 2006 3:24 AM

I was going to use the tail from my V-22 kit, but it was way too wide to mate up with the Mohawk's tapered tail, so I just chopped the tailplanes and will graft them on somehow to give me the twin tail configuration that I wanted.  Just a matter of some styrene stock and putty to blend it all in nice.

Never thought of a V-tail, that would be a cool look.

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Friday, March 3, 2006 5:40 AM

 Unknownpharoah wrote:
many more mods and this piece will be heading to the sci-fi forum.Clown [:o)]

This thing has begun to take on a life of it's own.  I'm really just thinking of shortening the tail and restoring some of the Osprey lines.  As far as the tailplanes are concerned, I like what Trigger has done.  The v-tail is also a leading contender.  I am just trying to steer away from adding more  Frankenstein's monster elements to it.

Mac

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Posted by MBT70 on Friday, March 3, 2006 5:39 PM
Since the sky is the limit on such an extensive kitbash, you might want to do your own version of the new digital camo pattern that's on the USMC and Army field uniforms.  Lay it down with 45-degree slant across the whole airframe to give it that certain je'ne se'quois ...
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Posted by Trigger on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:16 PM
Ooooh! There you go Mac, finish it in those three ACU colors. Those will be perfect for The Beast!
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Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, March 4, 2006 4:45 AM

Yeah, I'd like to see the ACU colors on an airframe.  They're still kind of jarring to see on people to me. 

I've been pondering putting my escort in desert digi pattern (at least the top surfaces).  I think it would look cool next to my woodland digi A-10 on the shelf, instead of the standard greys most USMC birds wear.

Though if Trigger can pull off the effect like what the V-22s and F-22s have been seen in, he'll have the best paint job, hands down.

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Posted by Trigger on Monday, March 6, 2006 5:20 PM
 LemonJello wrote:

Though if Trigger can pull off the effect like what the V-22s and F-22s have been seen in, he'll have the best paint job, hands down.



ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Oh man, thank you so much. I needed a good laugh!
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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 2:12 AM
 Trigger wrote:
 LemonJello wrote:

Though if Trigger can pull off the effect like what the V-22s and F-22s have been seen in, he'll have the best paint job, hands down.



ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Oh man, thank you so much. I needed a good laugh!

Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week, and remember, the ten o'clock show is completely different from the seven o'clock show.  Don't forget to tip your waitress.

I think I've started going through serious withdrawal from my styrene addiction, but I just can't justify sending a bunch of my stuff out here since I barely have the down time as it is to do much.  Well, that's what I get for volunteering to deploy.

I really want to get to work on both my escort and the AV-22.  Guess this will give me more incentive to get back to work when I get the chance again...

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 11:54 AM
Well, there's always the Baghdad Hobby Club. They won't have your kits, but whenever you get a 24-72 hour pass, you can at least scratch the itch.

Take care over there!
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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:15 AM

Duke, thanks, but I'm not in the big sandbox, just a little sideshow not far from there, near one of the few truly ungoverned places in the world...

Phil, my wife tells me the package arrived, so thanks again for the Hellfires.  My kids are beside themselves trying to figure out what could have been sent to me, which is good for a laugh.  They'll be put to good use once I'm home. 

Now, who's got some update photos to post? 

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Posted by LemonJello on Friday, August 11, 2006 1:10 PM
Well, I've gotten some work done on my pipe dream and took some pictures to share with you all.  There's a lot of Squadron white putty, Milliput and evergreen styrene going into this one, but I have to say, its been fun so far.

Here are the photos:






The stores are just tacked into place with blu-tac.  The engines are done,  but I'm leaving them off until after painting.  I'm masking off the glass right now, going to shoot interior black on the inside, mask the outside and assemble, then shoot the exterior colors (still not sure what scheme I'm going to use).
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Posted by Par429 on Friday, August 11, 2006 5:03 PM
LJ-
Wow, very nicely done. I kind of ended up going for a slick look to mine, but yours has that really mean bug look going on. Very cool! You did a great job blending the different parts together, it's going to look great painted. It reminds me a little of the SHADO Interceptor from the old UFO TV series. (Did I just date myself??)

Glad to see this thread re-surface, keep us updated.

Phil
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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:25 PM
Looks good, LJ, keep posting photo's when you can
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