Armed Escort Tiltrotor

Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Sunday, September 4, 2005 7:55 PM

The "Creature from the Plastic Lagoon" (or is it Franken Copter ?) is put on hold again. Katrina is calling.

Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, September 3, 2005 8:19 AM

BNCOC is finally done!! (At least phase I)

Maybe I can get some pics of the beast some time during the next week. When it is all said and done, this thing is going to be UGLY!. I think that the Bulldog that Trigger is building is going to get the prize for purposeful beauty.

Phil,
That thing is SLICK! I'll cram myself in there gladly! I looks like it would be a hoot to work out of.

Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:20 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74

LJ
Have your donors arrived yet? If so, how 'bout breaking out the masking tape and giving us a peak. I'm anxious to see if your Mohawk hybrid is as ugly as my Bronco!

No joy on the kits yet, GreatModels shipped, due in around the 6th. Not a peep from Squadron yet, but I'm hoping it'll show up on the doorstep soon.

Once I get them, I'll be sure to get some photos posted of the monster. It'll be great!

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:36 PM

LJ
Have your donors arrived yet? If so, how 'bout breaking out the masking tape and giving us a peak. I'm anxious to see if your Mohawk hybrid is as ugly as my Bronco!

(Let's face it folks, neither the Mohawk nor the Bronco were the most visually attractive designs to begin with.)

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:16 AM

Yeah, the profile is a problem. I'm kitbashing a couple of Snakes into a U.S. Army RAH-1A and I may get a donor gun from there.

LJ
Oh, it'll get done. Just not as soon as I had hoped. Disapprove [V]

I've got a LOT of stuff to unpack and a run or two to Targét and Ikea to make before I can start on the workshop. Of course knowing Great Models' shipping, that timing make just work out perfectly.

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM

Grant, thought of using the 20mm from a snake for your turret. lower profile then the Apache gun unless you were going to modify it

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:47 AM

Good news for me, but I want to see your design get done, too! I'm still waiting on delivery of my donor kits...I got the stink-eye from Lady LemonJello for buying these on the sly, but she doesn't hold too much of a grudge. I hope to get started on this soon, but I don't want to ignore my AV-22, either.

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:44 AM

I too was planning on using a scrap Comanche turret - until I misplaced it. I don't think this move's going to help me get it back any sooner either. So I'm going to use an Apache's gun unstead. "Off the shelf, proven" technology is my justification...

Good news LJ...
At best I'm a few weeks away from having the factory up and running again so you've got plenty of time to get "caught up." Wink [;)]

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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Par429

Member since
October 2004
From: Maryland

Posted by Par429 on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:31 PM

Thanks. Trigger, I have a turret from a Commanche that I plan to use. I modified it some to look not so much like a Commache turret, but it's still pretty clear where it came from. I think it looks pretty good though.

Phil

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Monday, August 29, 2005 10:27 AM

Thanks Phil, keeps looking better every post

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Monday, August 29, 2005 8:49 AM

I disappear for the weekend and end up missing out on all the good seats! Well, at least I'll have a good view from the tub of mine...

Wow Phil, that looks great! That doesn't look anything like a Citation anymore. Ilike the direction the nose is taking. What kind of gun will you use for the nose turret?

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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Par429

Member since
October 2004
From: Maryland

Posted by Par429 on Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:13 PM

I made some more progress this weekend. I painted the interior and cockpit and got it mostly put together. I like black cockpits, with careful drybrushing they look great closeup. But they are really hard to photogragh. I still need to finish the instrument panel.

Phil

PS, thanks grandadjohn, you're hired!

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Sunday, August 28, 2005 7:17 AM

Looking real sweet, Phil. Good progress! You did a great job on the nose, too. Keep the updates rolling in.

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:24 PM

Looks good, keep posting and watching your progress
PS I'd ride in the back also

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Par429

Member since
October 2004
From: Maryland

Posted by Par429 on Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:06 PM

I'll have to agree Trigger, that's plenty ugly. But it should look pretty mean once you get it together.

I think I have finally finished the fuselage mods to the Citation. Lots of putty and filler, but at least it doesn't look much like a Citation anymore. I nearly filled the nose with epoxy putty and sanded it to shape to fit the gun turret and leave a shelf for the FLIR. Since Screaminhelo volunteered to be the guy in back, I put some gunners windows in the back (one of which will eventually be a door) and added some chaff/flare dispensers. Here's what it looks like so far:

I bought a Cobra Company MH-60 set to get some seats, an instrument panel, sensors, etc so the cockpits is next.

Phil

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, August 26, 2005 4:23 PM

My money's on Squadron. Great Models' fulfilment dept ain't exactly the Pony Express. My Hasegawa F-4J got here in decent time, but I think that was the exception to the rule. I ordered my Revell F/A-18E about a week beforehand, and they arrived within a couple of days of each other.

One time I forgot I had an order with them, so when I came home and saw a box on my door step, it was like Christmas morning until I saw what it was.

Well, I'm off to go move... Yuck [yuck]

If anyone's got any ideas what I can call the new place, shoot me an e-mail and y'all have a good weekend!

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Friday, August 26, 2005 4:02 PM

I know what you mean about scheduling and all, this week has been a blur, (I think the two days with four hours of sleep while we changed computer networks had something to do with it), but I've got some free time this weekend. I hope to get some more work in on my current project.

I just "forced" GreatModels to ship what they have of my order and I re-ordered the Mohawk from Squadron, it'll be interesting to see which gets delivered first. Then I can really get going on my escort!

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, August 26, 2005 2:20 PM

Caught up? ROTFLMAO!!!!! My friend, you've no idea how far behind I am! Last I looked, your A-10W was complete and my A-10M hasn't even started yet! If only my schedule and building skills were as permissive and as fast as my imagination...

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Friday, August 26, 2005 12:45 PM

With you moving and all, Trigger, I hope to get my kits delivered so I can start on my version and maybe get a little caught up with you.

I'm hoping to get some interior paint shot on my AV-22 this weekend as well.

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, August 26, 2005 8:27 AM

The tail hasn't changed since the first pix of the mock-up. It'll still be the 1/72 V-22 tail structure with the fins canted outward. I just wasn't able to find the V-22 box(which includes the nacelles) when I put together the mock-up for those recent pix.

I know I can use the inner-most station on the stub wings, and this is where I'll place Hellfire. I may have to chop off the tips of the stubs - it depends on the diameter of the rotor disc - and mount Stingers or Sidewinders. Otherwise, they'll go under the stub wing. But, I'll still have a station under each wing for rocket or cannon and I plan on a gun turrent underneath. I just have to work out the placement in relation to the nose gear.

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Friday, August 26, 2005 6:38 AM

Yeah, that's ugly alright! But I like the look, too. Mean and nasty, just what an escort should be. Are you going to graft the V-22 tail onto this or use the Bronco's?

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:30 PM

How bad could it be you ask? My dog runs away from it and hides in her crate.

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:06 AM

Thanks for the warning, but really, how bad could it be?

I hope I'm not eating those words while I clean off my monitor and keyboard later...

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:35 PM

Slight tangent - since my modeling stuff's boxed up, that leaves me my computer and break time. Here's what I've been messing around with as far as markings are concerned...

Thursday a.m. note: against my better judgement, I broke out the box containing my abomination unto the gods of flight and snapped a couple of quick pix this a.m. and will post them when I get back home. Don't eat before looking at them.

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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Par429

Member since
October 2004
From: Maryland

Posted by Par429 on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:34 AM

Wow, sounds like some serious surgery there, post some pics when you can.
I like all the weapons stations, something mine may be lacking. I have been working on the cockpit/interior, will try to post some pics when I have some progress to show.

Phil

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:15 AM

I'll be looking forward to some photos of this beast when you get all settled into your new digs, Trigger! So far, it sounds pretty mean.

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:54 AM

Before I packed away all my kits over the weekend Boohoo [BH]

I assembled the fuselage of my Bronco. I used a 1/48 Monogram AH-1F cockpit tub thay my dog got a hold of (minimal damage, and I'm going to refinish it anyway) to replace the POS kit parts and attached 1/72 V-22 sponsons just aft of the rear seat. I then placed 1/48 AH-64 sponsons in front of those and I'll blend the two together later. The Apache sponsons actually extend out past the nose of the Bronco so I'll have some work to do there as well. But that's fine and now I have a place to put the FLIR and radar radome. Test fitting the wing and nacelle, I think I'll be able to take the Apache's stub wings and attach them to the Osprey sponsons just abouve the wheel well for carrying weapons. Plus I've got room for 1-2 stations under the main wing (yes, they should work in forward flight). So this thing will have teeth! Thumbs Up [tup]

I doubt I'll have time to get ny pictures up but believe me when I say that this thing is now Censored [censored]

-ugly!

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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Duke Maddog

Member since
June 2003
From: Rowland Heights, California

Posted by Duke Maddog on Monday, August 22, 2005 6:19 AM

Lemon, that looks awesome. I like the terra cotta too. I'll have to pick some up for myself.

As for the armament layout, I like your second option better. I'd go with that.

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supercobra

Member since
June 2003

Posted by supercobra on Monday, August 22, 2005 1:51 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Screaminhelo

Trigger-
With counter rotating rotors, retreating blade stall is not much of an issue. That is a fringe benefit when you use a tandem rotor, the advancing blade on one side counters the retreating blade on the other. I would recommend the blades rotating to center so that the advancing blade is off the end of the wing.

Mine doesn't have wing fold capability yet. I am considering a non-Marine version anyway but I haven't decided yet.

Supercobra-
Would HMMA work?

HMMA (Marine Medium Attack Helicopter Squadron) would be possible in that the USMC could decide to put V-22s and a BA-609 varient or some other titl-rotor type platform in the same squadron if they had a lot of components in common. Just like they did with Hueys and Cobras. Would it work? In my opinion no. Too much philosophy/training difference and too big of a difference in mission to make that combination successfull.

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:17 PM

Alright, I'm going to start up a seperate thread for this build, but I thought I'd share with you guys the first progress shots of my AV-22 gunship. It's not much, but it's a start:

From nose to tail, I'm planning on putting the following 1) 7.62mm minigun 2) .50 cal HMG 3) 20mm Busmaster cannon 4) .50 cal HMG 5) 7.62mm minigun

Another option would be to pair up the .50's in slot 3 and put two 20mm cannon (one each) in slot 2 and 4. What do you think?

Here I used a technique that HeavyArty described. I found a can of Terra Cotta paint at Lowe's and used it to put down some non-skid surface on my interior. It really has a nice, rough feel to it and it went on easy.

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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