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  • Member since
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  • From: Towson MD
Posted by gregbale on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:47 PM

Bakster
I am struggling a bit about paint color. Here is the gist....

In case you haven't already seen it, there's a nice overview of the 'Steampunk Color' aesthetic...including some helpful 'theme' multi-color swatches...here:

https://steampunk-explorer.com/articles/colors-steampunk

Might give you some ideas.

Greg

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"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
 
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:19 PM

gregbale

 

 
Bakster
I am struggling a bit about paint color. Here is the gist....

 

In case you haven't already seen it, there's a nice overview of the 'Steampunk Color' aesthetic...including some helpful 'theme' multi-color swatches...here:

https://steampunk-explorer.com/articles/colors-steampunk

Might give you some ideas.

 

Hey thanks, Greg. I will check it out!

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  • From: North Carolina
Posted by Back to the bench on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 5:49 PM

Bakster
I really appreciate that you asked that. Aside from the crown, everything else was done by using Evergreen plastic. Starting at the top then. I used half round strip that I wrapped around the tube giving it that rounded look. Below that I used T strip with the top of the T glued down on its flat side, and wrapped around the stack. This produced a thin band that circles the tube. Below that then (x4) I used thin flat strips wrapped around the tube. And the last piece is again the T strip attached the same as the first. In this case, it creates a sort of flange. You can't tell from the image but below that stack I had drilled a slightly undersized hole into the roof whereby the tube can go through, but the flange can't. This seats the assembly onto the roof. And this speaks to my point where I said it would be difficult to do if I had used a brass tube. The reason is, I would have to use CA glue to attach the strips, and that is never an easy prospect. For one, it's messy. Secondly, if a person is not careful it could attach too quickly, possibly crooked. With styrene on styrene using Tamiya Extra Thin, the process is very forgiving, and very easy even. I tack one end of the strip to the tube and then keep working the strip around until it overlays the other end. I then carefuly cut the strip so they butt together. All during this I can adjust the alignment so it's straight. The glue offers a person some working time. It is not much, but just enough time. I hope I explained it so it makes sence. If more thoughts or questions, please let me know.  If by chance you are not too familiar with Evergreen plastic, see the link below. Most hobby stores carry the line. The more I use the stuff, the more I love it. It is very versatile. Several years back GMorrison educated me on it and it opened a whole new dimmension to me in scale modeling. Probably more than you wantd to know. Lol. https://evergreenscalemodels.com/  

 

Thanks for taking the time to explain the process so well and thanks for the link. I used to be able to go down to my LHS and peruse Plastruct and Evergreen products in nice rotating display racks but since we moved and then the lockdown occured I lost that source and have not gotten around to finding another. That being the case the link is very useful indeed.

You really applied those materials in some very clever ways and the end result was well worth it. As usual when something just looks "right" there was typically much more work involved than I first realize. You clearly have a "full head of steam" pushing this project forwardBig Smile

Gil

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 8:14 AM

Back to the bench
You clearly have a "full head of steam" pushing this project forward

Very good. Wink

Pushing forward with one hand on the pressure release valve. Dont want to blow the tank! Yes

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:26 AM

This is getting more and more interesting!!! I had thought of a steampunk colour scheme as just being lots of brass!

BTW: Watched the 'Dragonfly' model video you posted. Very cool! Just not four-hundred bucks cool...

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 5:47 PM

Gamera
Very cool! Just not four-hundred bucks cool...

Bingo!

Gamera
I had thought of a steampunk colour scheme as just being lots of brass!

That is sort of what I thought. But hey...there is nothing traditional about this build, so the immutable laws of steampunk do not apply. I am just leaning towards steampunk, not becoming steampunk. And that there is my get out of steampunk jail free card. And yes, I DO get to pass go too! Wink

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 5:52 PM

yeah, but you do get $200 for passing go . Big Smile

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 6:11 PM

PS: Where the heck is Capn?  I just know he has a lot to say, including an indomitable  display of psychic prowess. He is the great seer.... the wizard behind the curtain. No matter that he uses the occasional plumbing truck for intel. 

And just a tidbit of useless information. I recently watched, The Wizard of Oz. Not having watched the movie in many years... I have to say, I have an even greater appreciation for it when compared to movies of today. What a masterpiece. The acting, the story, the effects, you name it. Off the scale.

Time to depress the pressure release valve. Surprise

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 6:14 PM

steve5

yeah, but you do get $200 for passing go . Big Smile

 

Um yeah. Thanks for pointing that out, Steve. No. I don't get $200. Dang it.

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 6:19 PM

Bakster
PS: Where the heck is Capn?

Yo estoy aqui.  Est todos buenos.

Or, mostly.  Something I ate took revenge upon me yesterday, and had to cope with a miracle deadline (Oh, look the deadline is tomorrow!)  So, I got two days' work in in 9 hours.  Sigh.

Life itsownself getting inth way, sigh.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 6:25 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
PS: Where the heck is Capn?

 

Yo estoy aqui.  Est todos buenos.

Or, mostly.  Something I ate took revenge upon me yesterday, and had to cope with a miracle deadline (Oh, look the deadline is tomorrow!)  So, I got two days' work in in 9 hours.  Sigh.

Life itsownself getting inth way, sigh.

 

Oh man, I feel your pain. Hope it wasn't some of them crawfish you it. Surprise

And my friend... I hear thee. Work has been too much like work.

Hey, no pressure. You chime in on this when you get back on your feet. Hope you feel better soon.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:33 AM

Hi Gamera;

     As far as SteamPunk colors. Think of the world at the end, or near that point in Victorian times. Colors weren't bright, Unless You might be a lady working the Worlds Oldest Proffession, a Clown, or some outrageous bit of Friffery from the females in a landed family!

    "Oh Deah! Those Ruffians are quite Rowdy in their Dress, Eh Wot?" Brass, not all polished along with Steel, Wood and some darker Satin colors from say the color of a Yacht's Bottom. Dk.Red or Dk.Green

     Or we must not forget Soot, Rust, Grime, and corrosion of the forms that grace Brass, Bronze and Copper! and lastly worn or Fancy worked wood! Aged and Mismatched canvas too!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:45 AM

Tanker-Builder

Hi Gamera;

     As far as SteamPunk colors. Think of the world at the end, or near that point in Victorian times. Colors weren't bright, Unless You might be a lady working the Worlds Oldest Proffession, a Clown, or some outrageous bit of Friffery from the females in a landed family!

    "Oh Deah! Those Ruffians are quite Rowdy in their Dress, Eh Wot?" Brass, not all polished along with Steel, Wood and some darker Satin colors from say the color of a Yacht's Bottom. Dk.Red or Dk.Green

     Or we must not forget Soot, Rust, Grime, and corrosion of the forms that grace Brass, Bronze and Copper! and lastly worn or Fancy worked wood! Aged and Mismatched canvas too!

 

Yes Your post was to Gamera, so I don't mean to steal his thunder. Just adding my two cents.

What you are saying seems right in line with what I am going for. What do youthink about the stack color? I have mental images of them being black but not sure if  that is based on reality or Hollywood.

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Posted by gregbale on Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:56 AM

Bakster
What do youthink about the stack color? I have mental images of them being black but not sure if that is based on reality or Hollywood.

Just my 2 cents:

I think black -- though cool-looking -- would be the 'Disney' version, spiffed up for tourists. 'Working' version would be a dark or bronze-grey...somewhat mottled and discolored through use and heat.

Greg

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"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
 
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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, June 10, 2021 11:33 AM

On the Stack.

        It's an un-insulated pipe exiting Hot exhaust Gasses. A burnt steel sooty appearance. Some I have seen has the rings in a polished copper or brass color with the sooty, burnt stack steel color between.

       Back in the day Ship stacks were painted black because they weren't double walled till after W.W.1.Then they could paint them Grey and with the steam exhausts and Blow pipes the actual stack is just barely big enough for two men to stand in at the base.

        The Double wall was for the boiler Fire-Box air intakes or Uptakes and also to vent the spaces since they were no longer pressurized! OH! The answer was actually intended for you anyway.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 10, 2021 11:44 AM

I always figured something like this Class J locomotive with maybe more brass. Interesting point about dark grey instead of black though GregBale.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, June 10, 2021 12:07 PM

Oh:

      That's close to the Dreyfuss designed engine. That had a Vertical blade that ran from the pilot to the cab. The stack was just the heighth of the fin ( If You Will.) Most R.R. Engines, till the Diesel era were painted black or anthracite to keep from looking like the scruffy things they could be.

       Many were engineered and fired by one or two crews ( Maybe More) who took Pride in THEIR ENGINES. Red Wheels, White rims, Black Barrel, over the boiler to be painted the darker colors and maybe for A front runner Brass-Work that they did actually polish!

     Very fine pinstripes and such around the Cab windows and Nameplates! You aught to have seen the Wash Machines they had for them. Talk about Monster Wash! The Fact is, what you see is mostly the Shell!

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, June 10, 2021 3:23 PM

Bakster
hat do youthink about the stack color? I have mental images of them being black but not sure if that is based on reality or Hollywood.

Well, steampunk does allow some fexibility.  So a person could go a dark bronze safely enough.

Mind, a person could also pick any of a number of anodized aluminum colors.  Aluminum was a precious metal in Victorian Times (even Edwardian times to some extent).  So, it would flaunting of one's wealth.

And, on this project, we are presuming that Other-worldly Forces are in use, radio isotopes and the like.  So, the stack may not be stained by combustion products at all.

Now heat discolorization does offer some artistic license.

Steel goes bue, then straw, when heated.  Other metals find other colors (I want to remember bronze goes violet).

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, June 10, 2021 3:29 PM

Bakster
Hope you feel better soon.

Feeling better, at least until Latan, the airline of Chile decided to charge something on my bank debit card.  So, told the Credit Union when they texted me that was not legit.

So, the card is canceled.  They will send me a new one "sometime soon."

Which is putting rather a knee joint in my plans, as I'm about to discover how many automatic payments I have on the old card.  Sigh.  Pretty much all my plans for Monday are in the bin.  C'est la vie.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 10, 2021 7:37 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Hope you feel better soon.

 

Feeling better, at least until Latan, the airline of Chile decided to charge something on my bank debit card.  So, told the Credit Union when they texted me that was not legit.

So, the card is canceled.  They will send me a new one "sometime soon."

Which is putting rather a knee joint in my plans, as I'm about to discover how many automatic payments I have on the old card.  Sigh.  Pretty much all my plans for Monday are in the bin.  C'est la vie.

 

OUCH! Good luck Captain! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, June 10, 2021 9:36 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Hope you feel better soon.

 

Feeling better, at least until Latan, the airline of Chile decided to charge something on my bank debit card.  So, told the Credit Union when they texted me that was not legit.

So, the card is canceled.  They will send me a new one "sometime soon."

Which is putting rather a knee joint in my plans, as I'm about to discover how many automatic payments I have on the old card.  Sigh.  Pretty much all my plans for Monday are in the bin.  C'est la vie.

 

That stinks Capn. We don't realize how much we are wired to things until they don't work. Last week I couldn't log into my personal email. I have everything connected to it spanning decades, and I have lots of history saved there that I would not want to lose. The company was once Sbc, then purchased by Att, then Yahoo got in the mix. I couldn't reset it and the web was no help. I couldnt find a phone number to call for live help either. Ridiculous. This went on for over a week and I had already begun the process of changing my accounts to use a different email address. Then I made a breakthough. My parents have Att dish and I am the account manager. I called them and they were able to get me someone within Att that could unlock my account. But it was not without its own drama, and a big waste of my time. It was a tough week. Long story short.. I was locked out for no fault of my own. Something triggered it, possibly a software upgrade on their end. So I sort of feel your pain sir. Hang in there. 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, June 10, 2021 9:58 PM

Hey Greg, TB, Gam, and Capn. Thanks a bunch for your input on the stack. It is an interesting read and it brings light to the subject for anyone following along. Cool stuff! Seriously, I thank you. 

I am leaning towards the darker bronze, somewhat weathered, and no soot because afterall, my power plant is nuclear/electric. Indifferent The stack serves a purpose but it's left to the imagination. In my mind, I see it more as a means to vent radiant heat from the reactor. The viewer can imagine what they will. 

You guys are awesome. 

I started the turret housing. Like the tubing, I searched around for something in the dimensions I would like that I can modify. No luck. I am sure if I looked long enough I would find something, but time is a premium for me. So, I am scratchbuilding it from styrene. I wasn't sure how it would turn out but I think I have a chance it will work. More to come on that as I progress.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, June 11, 2021 12:03 PM

HiHo;

   I got it! It's the Galley stack! That's why I get that Chocolate Cake smell. Sorry that was my Landlady baking a cake. It's an idea though.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 11, 2021 12:16 PM

Tanker-Builder

HiHo;

   I got it! It's the Galley stack! That's why I get that Chocolate Cake smell. Sorry that was my Landlady baking a cake. It's an idea though.

 

Lol. Well, that's one vision you can apply to it. Maybe I should add a griddle to the power plant. It could double as a stovetop. Maybe hang a sign on one of the glass panes,  Bullion Express Cakes and Griddle. With a side note... we accept gold, NO CHECKS.

 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Friday, June 11, 2021 12:37 PM

Things we know as fact...

Whatever the main propulsion / fuel system is , you gotta dissipate the heat. So we know there's heat coming out the top of that stack. Some discoloration is to be expected.

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, June 11, 2021 12:40 PM

Actually a steampunk food truck would be pretty awesome!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 11, 2021 1:01 PM

Gamera

Actually a steampunk food truck would be pretty awesome!

 

True. Maybe we hit on something here. Not for my build but for a food franchise. Stick out tongue

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, June 11, 2021 1:03 PM

littletimmy

Things we know as fact...

Whatever the main propulsion / fuel system is , you gotta dissipate the heat. So we know there's heat coming out the top of that stack. Some discoloration is to be expected.

 

 

Seems logical to.me,Tim. You off work today? Lunch break?

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Friday, June 11, 2021 3:24 PM

No such luck.

Been working 14 hour shifts all this week. I managed to post between asphalt loads.

( its 104 here today. And I'm in a truck with no air conditioning. Went through 20 pounds of ice yesterday..... can I borrow your " heat dissapaiting stack" ? )

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, June 11, 2021 4:42 PM

Gamera

I always figured something like this Class J locomotive with maybe more brass. Interesting point about dark grey instead of black though GregBale.

 

That's one beauty of a locomotive.

-Greg

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