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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, May 21, 2012 6:37 PM

Nuts...

Ok, I'm in... But there're too many blue ones in the build..

1/48 Monogram SB2C kit converted to A-25A Shrike..

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 21, 2012 4:15 PM

Needs more tea-tin...

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Posted by fermis on Monday, May 21, 2012 3:09 PM

Been workin like a slave......gotta pay for that 6 months off every year! Thanks to the rain Gods, I got off a little early today, but have band practice, so no building timeSad (might get the intermediate blue painted though)

Managed only a little time last week, started painting yesterday.

No floats on this one, but cupcakes and milkshakes are stowed between the gunner and pilot!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, May 21, 2012 1:13 PM

Too many cupcakes and  jugs of milk?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 21, 2012 11:26 AM

What happened to Fermis?  The world wonders...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, May 21, 2012 10:20 AM

p38jl

how about this one ??..[Last i Knew..this plane was in Greenville Maine.. I've actually touched it.. and have my own pics of it. on land.. and flying..

http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx7/pthrtyeghtpic/DC3--4--floats1.jpg:550:0]

All sorts of floatie things were made

I look forward to celebrating Fermis' new build with a couple of extra large milkshakes

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Posted by The Navigator on Monday, May 21, 2012 10:12 AM

Word around the Lair is that Fermis is building the floatie version of the Helldiver with Harry Truman flying and Truman Capote manning the tail gun....

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by p38jl on Monday, May 21, 2012 8:41 AM

how about this one ??..[Last i Knew..this plane was in Greenville Maine.. I've actually touched it.. and have my own pics of it. on land.. and flying..

Photobucket:550:0]

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Friday, May 18, 2012 6:50 PM

Curtis management had not anticipated war production cuts at the end of WWII.......

 

Really? Did they think they were just gonna keep crankin` out war planes with no war?  No wonder they went bust. 

 

 

 

 

 

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, May 18, 2012 6:45 PM

DoogsATX
 pzl66:
thanks to the Trumman Witch Hunt.. And the Helldiver had so many restrictions on it during the time of it development. 

Like floats?

But seriously. Yes. Development hell.

Development Hell sometimes created by outdated requirements.

Curtis and Bell produced outdated pre-war designs due to US Government  / military demands as well as budget limitations.

The P-40 , P-39 and the Douglas B-18  immediately come to mind.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, May 18, 2012 6:26 PM

pzl66

 

 Sprue-ce Goose:

 

 The Navigator:
 pzl66:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

How do you dive bomb with floats? Huh?

Didn't need to bomb using that aircraft.

Curtis management did such a good job of bombing, they put the company out of business after the war.

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae287/sprue_cegoose/pix/th_Kalashnikitty.jpg

 

thanks to the Trumman Witch Hunt.. And the Helldiver had so many restrictions on it during the time of it development. 

 

I am unaware of the Truman administration's involvement in an anti-Curtis witch-hunt.

i am only aware of failed fighter designs which were either designed and produced after competing designs were already successful and in mass production or designs which simply were unable to produce the promised performance.

Examples are:

Curtis XP-60 A/C/D/E  vs. Republic P-47

Curtis XP-40Q  vs. NA P-51

and the last of the breed:

  the  Curtiss XF-87A Blackhawk  jet powered night fighter, which lost out to the Northrop XP-89.

Curtis management had not anticipated war production cuts at the end of WWII and, therefore, had no civilian designs available to keep it's production plants operating.

That was my reason for commenting about Curtis management.

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Posted by Luft Modeler on Friday, May 18, 2012 6:26 PM

From what I was reading was the limitations put on the Helldiver was the size and what not. So Curtis designed within the limits given. The Curtis design won the contract but by the time all the kinks where worked out the dive bomber was becoming an obsolete role. Like said before the Hellcat and Corsair could carry the same load just not as far as the Helldiver. But it proved itself with taking down alot of ships and also joining the Avenger with the raids on Iwo Jima, Tinian, and the Japanese Mainland. The floats were added to alot of Naval aircraft for testing but just like the Wildcatfish was dropped. The NACA (now NASA) could only test so much about an aircraft before it entered service and could not really anticipate some of the problems occured with battle damaged or damage caused from novice pilot landing hard on the carrier, aka broken tail. Out of all the Helldivers the only one I dont like was the SB2C-6 with the thin/tall tail, for some reason the big round tail works with the rest of the airframe design. It like the beast was just meant to have that huge tail.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, May 18, 2012 5:10 PM

pzl66

 

thanks to the Trumman Witch Hunt.. And the Helldiver had so many restrictions on it during the time of it development. 

 

Like floats?

But seriously. Yes. Development hell. Though I have to imagine part of it was in how the specs were executed against. I mean when the head of NACA (is that who it was?) laughs at your design and says it'll never be stable, and you build it anyway, and it's not stable, and you have to basically make the tail as big as the rest of the plane...someone mucked that one up.

I'd be curious to see what would have become of a next-gen Douglas dive bomber (SB2D, anyone?)

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by Luft Modeler on Friday, May 18, 2012 5:00 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 The Navigator:

 

 

 pzl66:

 

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

 

 

How do you dive bomb with floats? Huh?

 

 

Didn't need to bomb using that aircraft.

Curtis management did such a good job of bombing, they put the company out of business after the war.

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae287/sprue_cegoose/pix/th_Kalashnikitty.jpg

thanks to the Trumman Witch Hunt.. And the Helldiver had so many restrictions on it during the time of it development. 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Friday, May 18, 2012 4:44 PM

The Navigator

 pzl66:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

 

How do you dive bomb with floats? Huh?

...very carefully....Wink

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, May 18, 2012 4:18 PM

The Navigator

 

 pzl66:

 

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

 

 

How do you dive bomb with floats? Huh?

Didn't need to bomb using that aircraft.

Curtis management did such a good job of bombing, they put the company out of business after the war.

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Posted by The Navigator on Friday, May 18, 2012 3:33 PM

Now this is a floatplane!

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by The Navigator on Friday, May 18, 2012 3:26 PM

pzl66

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

How do you dive bomb with floats? Huh?

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 18, 2012 2:59 PM

What did they call it?

A Hellfloater??? Hmm

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, May 18, 2012 2:45 PM

VanceCrozier

 

 Manstein's revenge:

 

On the second bounce the wings folded...

 

 

...and the floats folded on the third bounce...

The tail was notorious for falling off on landing.

That most likely fell off at the second or third bounce.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, May 18, 2012 2:25 PM

Manstein's revenge

On the second bounce the wings folded...

...and the floats folded on the third bounce...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 18, 2012 2:22 PM

On the second bounce the wings folded...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, May 18, 2012 1:53 PM

Some are born ugly; others have ugly thrust upon them.... this one may have had it both ways! Wink

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Reasoned on Friday, May 18, 2012 1:46 PM

I just didn't think that plane could get any uglier..... it can.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, May 18, 2012 7:44 AM

VanceCrozier

 

 Manstein's revenge:

 

 

 pzl66:

 

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

 

It flies!!!

 

 

 

That picture really only proves the thing can bounce...

.......but doesn't prove it survived more than one bounce...........

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, May 18, 2012 7:29 AM

Manstein's revenge

 

 pzl66:

 

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

 

It flies!!!

 

That picture really only proves the thing can bounce...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 18, 2012 6:57 AM

???

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:23 AM

pzl66

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2109/5752198634_3aebd64718_b.jpg

It flies!!!

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Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:44 AM

p38jl

[http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx7/pthrtyeghtpic/modelpics006.jpg:550:0]

Very cool build...that will look great next to Frankentank


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Posted by Luft Modeler on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:59 PM

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