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Helldiver! 2/08/09 Post Script

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Posted by chukw on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:18 AM

davew6003:  Thanks, Dave!  I'm making this up as I go- wish me luck!

Bossman:  I'll have a bunch of access panels open, and may leave the rear canopy sitting on the wing.  I think a lot of what makes a detailed modelk cool is the mysterious nature of peering onto the depths and shadows and seeing a bunch of cool stuff.  My mind always fills in a bunch more that isn't really there- know what I mean? ;)

 

Now, about that water heater- good luck, pal!   :D

wing_nut:  I've got that set-up, too!  Now, do I have the heart to do all this over again- in 1/72???

Daywalker:  Thanks, dude!  Maybe it wouldn't hurt to submit it FSM- who knows?  ;)

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:27 AM
 chukw wrote:

wing_nut:  I've got that set-up, too!  Now, do I have the heart to do all this over again- in 1/72???

 

Yeah, you'll do it again and you know it.  I've done so much 144th lately... this? in 1/72?  it'll feel like I can walk around insideBig Smile [:D]

Marc  

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Posted by Mel Sharkskin on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:37 AM

Chuck:

I've just been spellbound following your SB2C-4 build. You see, about two years ago I got this idea, when I got the Eduard Big Ed sets for the -4 and the -1C, that I would do this build. But more and more time went by, and my excuse was, and remains, that I can't find any decent references to detail from, or even to check the accuracy of the kit from.

Finally, AcMin sent me their boxing of the SB2C-1C (I don't even recall if ProModeler made this sub-variant when the original Helldiver kit came out about 1997) and now there was just no more excuse, especially since I've seen your work. I can never hope to match yours; it's just stunning. But I can draw inspiration from it. However, I have a couple of questions you may be able to answer.

The Accurate Miniatures SB2C-1C comes with a separate little sprue with a three-bladed prop and new spinner and backing plate. These are supposed to replace the other prop in the kit. Surely there are more differences in the 1C than that prop. Do you know what I need to watch out for? I have, as reference, a couple of on-line walkarounds (mostly of -4s and later), as well as the Famous Aircraft of the World, Vol. 40: SBD Dauntless and SB2C Helldiver, a beautiful series of publications and inexpensive too, but of limited help if you don't speak Japanese.

I too have the True Details resin cockpit set (mastered by and formerly sold under the KMC label) and the TD wheels. Do you know if this cockpit set is for the -4 or will it work in my -1C?

One thing I was able to find out: Unfortunately, my SB2C-1C does not have those nifty all-perforated dive flaps like the later models (-3 and after). The flaps on the -1C are mostly solid with only a row or two of what appear to be lightening holes. Eduard got that part right, and they are correct on the kit PE fret. 

At least I know my Eduard PE is made for the subtype I'm building, and the Aeromaster stencil sheet is okay, but that's about all I'm sure of. Since you are, by acclamation, the master Helldiver modeler around here, I would be most grateful if you could answer any of these questions. And also point out any pitfalls in the kit for those of us inspired by you to do a detailed Helldiver.

Thanks for sharing this wonderful build with us. Now that's what these forums should be all about. No rivet-counting and pedantic fault-finding nor, on the other hand, gratuitous accolades for sloppy modeling (mea culpa). Just good, useful modeling information. And what a model you've shared with us! I just hope the pressure isn't bugging you too much.

TOM 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:40 AM

Chuck that is some of the most impressive work I have seen posted here in a long time. Thank you for taking the time to show us all step by step just how you achived all of this. I know it has to inspired just about everyone who had read this thread to do some scratch building.  You should definetly consider submiting this build as an article when you are done because it is so informative and well documented. I can not wait to see the finished product!

                                                                    Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by winged prop on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:20 PM

This is a great thread. Keep at it Chuck!

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Posted by chukw on Monday, December 24, 2007 8:29 PM

Thanks so much guys!  Mel, I'll answer all your questions to the best of my ability- after Christmas! ;)  I've been a bit busy with work and life and stuff- thanks for being patient!

Thanks, guys!

Well, I've gotten all my shopping, decorating, gift wrapping and cleaning done, so it's time for some Christmas Eve modeling! I worked up the gunner's port sidewall today- lots of photo examination gave me a basic idea of how the reserve hydraulic system worked.  The central part was a reservoir tank, linked to a selector switch and a hand-operated wobble pump.   I started with the tank.  

Here's an overall view- the body of the pump came from a plastic model railroad part, a classic tip from modeling grandmaster Shep Paine. 

The selector switch is a simple assembly of styrene bits.  Pre-drilling holes will greatly help when fitting the wire plumbing.

Plumbing commences.  I have no idea what that puch is, but is in the photo, so... ;)

After some practice the wirebending gets to be a lot of fun! 

Here's the assembly all knitted together.  I'll add the actual pump handle later, to spare myself the fun of breaking it off and regluing, breaking it off and regluing, ... :blink:



More to follow in the coming days- until then, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!  

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, December 24, 2007 8:43 PM
Glad to see another installment on this!  Always an entertaining read.  Thanks again! Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by wyoroy on Monday, December 24, 2007 9:00 PM

Good to see more of your work.  Looks great.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by davew6003 on Monday, December 24, 2007 10:42 PM
Simply wonderful ! This is like a class on scratch building. Cant wait for more.Make a Toast [#toast]
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Posted by chukw on Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:56 PM

Much appreciated, gents!

Thanks, Guys- and a Happy New Year to you!  

A lot of folks have been saying how much they appreciate the how-to end of this build, so this installment is for them!   Photo-etch can seem like some mystic art if you you've never tried it before, but it's really not that tough- all you need are the right tools.  I use the Mission Models Etch-Mate and love it, but I know several guys who work wonders with a pair of flat-jawed pliers alone.  This series of photos will show you the basics of bending PE, so read along as I build up the rear gunner's ammo boxes.  Apologies if you've heard this one before!  ;D






















So that's it for now- hope this didn't bore the pants off you!
I've got to get back to the bench (and help clean up for dinner guests later...  Whistling [:-^] )

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:53 PM
Another great installment!  Thanks. Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:02 PM

One of the tricks I have to remove the PE nubs is to use my Dremel with a piece of sanding disc chunked onto the end of a round drum sanding attachment. This allows you to not only remove the nub, but trim the overall piece if in minute increments if it is too large dimensionally. (Remember the 1:32 Dragon Mustang instrument panel).

I also separate the PE part and the section of the tree as feasiable before tackling the part removal. This give me better contol in removal.

 

Get a good PE Shear such as the one Xuron offers (440 PET High Precision Scissors). They offer great control and a clean precise cut.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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Posted by DURR on Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:12 PM
i have been building for over 40 yrs  and this is beyond my abilities
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Posted by davew6003 on Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:20 PM
Great info ! Thanks. Keep the pics comming.Make a Toast [#toast]
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Posted by wyoroy on Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:28 PM

I need to get one of those toolsThumbs Up [tup]

I've only done 2 kits that involved PE, 1/72 & 1/48.  If I had that tool life would have been better that day.

Thanks for sharing, look forward to more.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:57 PM

Beautiful work.... NOW GIVE ME BACK MY PENNY.

I need it for another postWink [;)]

Marc  

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Posted by arki30 on Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:22 PM

Cool beans! 

That giant penny sure does get around....

Building Now:

1/48 Academy Bf-109G6 - 100%

1/48 Tamiya F4U-1A - 5%

Upcoming:

1/48 Revell F-14D

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Posted by chukw on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 8:06 PM

Thanks, guys!  Hawke, you can really sling the hints- You've already saved me plenty time- thanks!

Wing_Nut- NEVER!!!!!  Teh ginat peeny iz MINE FUREVAR!!  :D

 
On of the focal points of any military planes is the gun turret- there's just something visceral about a pair of menacing machine guns that makes the inner child run around buzzing "rat-tat-tat!"  I started working on the rear gunner's seat and ring and, well, my inner child took over.  I've found good reference, and that always makes the kit parts look a little sparse to my AMS eye.   Iwas really only going to replace the telescoping elevation leg...

Brass was the answer, and that meant breaking out my soldering gear!


While I had the gear out, why not replace the seat mounting frame? I couldn't sleep last night (partying neighbors), and thought this process through.  











Next, I'll knit this assembly together- stay tuned, and the best to you and yours in 2008!

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Posted by wyoroy on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 8:53 PM

Your amazingThumbs Up [tup]  I like your saw, need to get one.  I also need to get my hands on a Mattel vac-u-formerTongue [:P] 

Happy New Year to you also. 

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 9:52 PM

I know where you can get those saws! Whistling [:-^]

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 9:59 PM

Banged Head [banghead]AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

Where were you with all of this amazing info and photos two months ago when I stumbled through the kit parts on the rear gun for my AM SBD?

This has got to be some of the best modelling material I have ever read.  Full of great techniques, superlative photos, and a dash of humor.  Have you thought about submitting this to FSM for the magazine when it's finished? 

Frank 

 

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 10:00 PM
Your little cartoon man sure looks an awful lot like Triarius.Big Smile [:D]

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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Posted by davew6003 on Tuesday, January 1, 2008 10:13 PM

Impressive...most impressive....

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Posted by Luftwoller on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 5:31 PM

You must definately are 'THE MAN' Bow [bow]

...Guy

..'Your an embarrassment to the human genus, makes me ashamed to call myself Homo'.
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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 5:43 PM
That's just sickTongue [:P]

Marc  

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Posted by viper_mp on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 5:50 PM

Now I dont even want to start my Helldiver...Boohoo [BH]

 

Truely magnificant work.  I wish I could do have that good on just one of my models.  The detail is, well, Wingnut put it best, just plain sick. Cant wait to see it finished.   

Rob Folden

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Posted by chukw on Sunday, January 6, 2008 7:49 PM

You guys crack me up!   You think this is sick- I've gotten hold of the pilot's manuals- and now I know what most of this stuff actually!  The real challenge now will be to keep this danged thing real and not get bogged down in attempting to reproduce every last nut, bolt and wire...  

Meanwhile, back in rear pit, Gunner Joey Olafson is getting tired of standing out on the wing, so let's get that seat put together. Styrene to the rescue! I tried to de-solder one of the two- left-handed armor plates with a butane torch- bad move! The part was largely burned up! I made another armor panel form styrene, but in comparing and test-fitting the parts I felt they weren't long enough- Joey deserves decent armor protection from those deadly Zero attacks! I made two all-new armor panels- penance for my flub with the torch... This PE part needed some support, as well as beefing up in the thickness department. Man, do I hate to bend music wire! I've got all these little stab wounds in my fingertips- be careful, kids. Using a jig is the best way to assemble the fiddley bits- and this was fiddely! :o In the end, I think this was worth it, but whew!

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Posted by scorpr2 on Sunday, January 6, 2008 7:59 PM
WOW!!!!!  That seat looks amazing!  Great work!
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Posted by wyoroy on Sunday, January 6, 2008 8:42 PM

You do know that because of this build I will have to get myself a Helldiver and try to copy your methodsBig Smile [:D]  So let me thank you in advance for the lesson and courage to attempt this myself.  You have inspired meBow [bow]

Very well done sir.

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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Posted by Bossman on Sunday, January 6, 2008 9:02 PM

Really nice Chuk !

Good thing you've taken all these pics - otherwise it would be a pity to hide it all in a closed up fuselage !  Or are you gonna do a cut-away ?

Chris

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