MIG Killers II Group Build 11/08-11/09

I'm bad. I've been working hard on my dinky Renault Caudron "Cyclone" in 1/72. I've been caught up in scratch detailing the little sucker with dropped flaps and tubbed out main wheel bays. There's no way to do any airbrush painting due to weather. (I'm not outfitted for indoor painting)

This week-end (01/10/09) I will start on my "Mig-Killers" contributrion, the 1/48 Mirage III...

Fer Sher!

Harv - he isn't big on interior stuff - all exterior shots, mostly to try to catalog all of the serials of different a/c. Of the 80,000ish slides he has, they're almost ALL of different individual birds - say he has 100 F-15 pics...they're all different F-15's!

Can you give me the "official" designation of the Sea Venom? I'll see what he's got.

Hey Rand, thanks for those links!

In a recent search for "local modelers" to my area, I met a guy who does build (a bit), but his real passion is photographing aircraft. He has on the order of 80,000 slides of just about anything from WWII to present day! I'll hit him up for some info, I know for a FACT he has several hundred F-100 pics organized by serial numbers and unit...!

Let me see what I can have him dig up for the 524TFS - I would LOOOOVE to get that F-100 in my stash (along with bucketloads of AM!!) built for a good reason.

Dupes,

Sorry, I dont have all the web sites I found all the info on the F-100. I think your going to have to do some research on your own here. What I did find out about this particular F-100D is that it is credited although not confirmed to have made the very first MIG kill of the Vietnam War. What you can do is contact the PR department of the 524th TFS who operated F-100's at the start of the Vietnam war and find out. I do want to warn you however that you may not get the info you need for the aircraft since it was not a confirmed kill. If you do go ahead and decide to try and build this plane the correct markings are not important since we may not find out what the actual markings were, you can just build it as a F-100D that was attached to the 524th TFS and call it the first MIG KILLER of Vietnam. I will allow it since it was credited with the kill but never confirmed.

There are pictures of F-100D's that flew with the 524th TFS on the internet you can use as your reference.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/060728-F-1234S-063.jpg

http://www.greatrealtyusa.com/realtors/NM/Cannon+AFB.htm Scroll down to F-100 in SEA paint scheme

Air Master Modeler wrote:

Here is a bit more info: The plane was most likely an F-100D, was attached to the 524th TFS, tail code was CD and was painted SEA color scheme.

Could you shoot me a link to where you're finding all of this info? Wondering if I could cobble together a correct set of markings for this bird...hmmmm. That Monogram F-100D seems to be calling to me from the stash!

Happy New Year ALL!

How are you all doing? It's been really quiet here.

I have my Revell 1/48 F-18C Bug totally rescribed now and starting work on the subassemblies. Nothing has been assembled yet. I have been trying to get pictures to show but they all come out really blurry. Gonna try to get a Digital Camera of my own and get pics. The cam I've been using is my girlfriend's and its only a 3.0 mega pixel... go figure

Air Master Modeler wrote:

squeakie wrote:  Air Master Modeler wrote: I did a bit more research into the F-100 and I found that it did infact shoot down a Mig-17. Here is a quote from wikipedia: On April 4, 1965 an F-100 piloted by Capt. Donald W. Kilgus shot down a North Vietnamese Air Force MiG-17, using cannon fire. Although not officially confirmed, this represented the first aerial victory "kill" by US forces in Vietnam. Probably the reason there are no kits or decals for this plane is because it was never a confirmed kill. Oh boy we gotta find a pic of that plane!! gary Here is a bit more info: The plane was most likely an F-100D, was attached to the 524th TFS, tail code was CD and was painted SEA color scheme.

I gather this kill wasn't witnessed as well; which is strange as they never flew alone. But on the otherhand if he were to be flying north of the DMZ in that time frame the government might well have surpressed the data (or over Laos as well).

gary

squeakie wrote:

Air Master Modeler wrote: I did a bit more research into the F-100 and I found that it did infact shoot down a Mig-17. Here is a quote from wikipedia: On April 4, 1965 an F-100 piloted by Capt. Donald W. Kilgus shot down a North Vietnamese Air Force MiG-17, using cannon fire. Although not officially confirmed, this represented the first aerial victory "kill" by US forces in Vietnam. Probably the reason there are no kits or decals for this plane is because it was never a confirmed kill. Oh boy we gotta find a pic of that plane!! gary

Here is a bit more info:

The plane was most likely an F-100D, was attached to the 524th TFS, tail code was CD and was painted SEA color scheme.

Air Master Modeler wrote:

I did a bit more research into the F-100 and I found that it did infact shoot down a Mig-17. Here is a quote from wikipedia: On April 4, 1965 an F-100 piloted by Capt. Donald W. Kilgus shot down a North Vietnamese Air Force MiG-17, using cannon fire. Although not officially confirmed, this represented the first aerial victory "kill" by US forces in Vietnam. Probably the reason there are no kits or decals for this plane is because it was never a confirmed kill.

Oh boy we gotta find a pic of that plane!!

gary

I did a bit more research into the F-100 and I found that it did infact shoot down a Mig-17.

Here is a quote from wikipedia:

On April 4, 1965 an F-100 piloted by Capt. Donald W. Kilgus shot down a North Vietnamese Air Force MiG-17, using cannon fire. Although not officially confirmed, this represented the first aerial victory "kill" by US forces in Vietnam.

Probably the reason there are no kits or decals for this plane is because it was never a confirmed kill.

Air Master Modeler wrote:

squeakie wrote:  bobbaily wrote: Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build.  EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'. Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.   I have the "A" and "D" kits from Roden, and they're pretty nice kits. The "A" plane does not come with that long external sensor pod like the others used. As for OV1's out of Phu Bai; I doubt that there were all that many there (probably six or eight). Now thinking of MIG killers in that time frame here's something I've often wondered. The first Wild Weasles were F100F's, and of course we know where they flew. I wonder if an F100 ever snagged a MIG? But of course it's almost a mute point as there is no kit being made. gary According to my research no F-100 scored any Mig kills while deployed in Vietnam. Bummer too cause it was a great aircraft.

that's too bad as an F100 was a real down on the deck plane! As in making the palm trees wave in the blast as it flew over.

    Now I did find out last night that the OV-1 that did in the MIG was the number nine plane! Caught it in a barage of 39 rockets! But where? I'm guessing it was south of Vin or over Laos and south of the Mu Gai Pass (everything went thru the Mu Gai Pass). There were long rumored aircraft and helecopter sightings over in the Mu Gai Pass area, and it just makes sense. I'm gonna dig deeper into this subject

gary

squeakie wrote:

bobbaily wrote: Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build.  EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'. Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.   I have the "A" and "D" kits from Roden, and they're pretty nice kits. The "A" plane does not come with that long external sensor pod like the others used. As for OV1's out of Phu Bai; I doubt that there were all that many there (probably six or eight). Now thinking of MIG killers in that time frame here's something I've often wondered. The first Wild Weasles were F100F's, and of course we know where they flew. I wonder if an F100 ever snagged a MIG? But of course it's almost a mute point as there is no kit being made. gary

According to my research no F-100 scored any Mig kills while deployed in Vietnam.

Bummer too cause it was a great aircraft.

bobbaily wrote:

Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build.  EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'. Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.

I have the "A" and "D" kits from Roden, and they're pretty nice kits. The "A" plane does not come with that long external sensor pod like the others used. As for OV1's out of Phu Bai; I doubt that there were all that many there (probably six or eight). Now thinking of MIG killers in that time frame here's something I've often wondered. The first Wild Weasles were F100F's, and of course we know where they flew. I wonder if an F100 ever snagged a MIG? But of course it's almost a mute point as there is no kit being made.

gary

Thanks Gary.  The magazine is the latest issue of Flight Journal.  I had considered submitting the Mohawk as a build, but the kit decals aren't of a plane in the unit that he was flying with at the time of the MiG downing.  I could be wrong, but based on the limited info (review on Cybermodeler & the Flight Journal article) I think that it wouldn't be an valid build. 

EDIT-There is an Eagle Strike decal sheet, 48-280, that has an OV-1A from the 131st AVN Company, which is the unit that Capt. Lee was flying with at the time of the MiG kill.  The tail number on the decal sheet is 60-3739.  Dunno if that is the same plane that was used that day or if 'close counts'.....  I plan on adding a Mohawk to my collection 'one of these days'.

Rand-I'm leaning towards a F-16 'Netz' of the IAF.  I've got the Academy kit and there are AM decals to make a MiG killer.  I'll let you know when I clear up enough time in my schedule to commit.

bobbaily wrote:

Hey all-this is a very knowledgable group here, so......does anyone have detail info on a OV-1A Mohawk that downed a Mig-17 (I think) over Vietnam?  I've done a couple of quick searches, but can't find the detail info-i.e., unit, number, etc. Thanks edit-well, I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OV-1_Mohawk Provided the pilot's name, Capt. Kevin Lee, but no other info, i.e. S/N, unit, etc.  So now I think I'll shift gears and look for something else.  Probably gonna be either an F4-E, F-105F or maybe an F-16.  I plan on doing some shopping over the holidays next weekend, so I should be able to come-up with something.

I just discovered this about a week ago while looking for Fokker D-VII data. There was one Mig shot down by an OV-1A that flew out of Phu Bai. Where he got the MIG I don't know, but suspect it's over the DMZ, or maybe near the Mu Gai Pass. There are pics of the plane in a magazine I saw at Borders (I didn't buy it as it wasn't what I was seeking). The plane looked to be painted in O.D. green, and they had all the markings and data for it. Roden does a a nice kit, and Eduard sells photo etch for it. There's one for sale on Ebay right now.

    If I'm right I think Mr. Lee is MIA.

gary

Well, I have finally got started on my Mig Killer F/A-18C. I have the office just about finished and all thats left is the seat to detail. I get some progress pics posted as soon as its done. For those of you who wanted to see my finished Super Bug, I posted pics in the Aircraft section.  

Hey Rand,

I have a couple builds for the Mud Movers that I am trying to get finished by the end of the month, but I've been tinkering on the F-15. Looking for some way to replace the crappy smoked canopy and front windscreen....I wonder if the Tamiya 32nd scale F-15C would fit

How is everyone doing? It's been very quiet here and I am sure your all busy with getting ready for Christmas. As for myself I am almost finished with the Super Bug and hope to get started on my Mig Killer Hornet in the next few days. I'll post pics in the aircraft section.

Lets make some noise here gents.

Merry Christmas!

Rand

WarHammer25 wrote:

Air Master Modeler, Can I change my build to a 1/48 Revell F-4C Phantom II? Still Lt Col. Robert Titus's #64-0776 gunslinger. The Hasegawa kit is really expensive for a 1/72 kit that comes with only air-to-ground armament at $40. I might have to rescribe panel lines but I think it is worth it. Bigger kit with lots of armament (including the gunpod I need) for about half the price of the Hasegawa.

W.H.

Consider it done. The rescribing is not difficult, just take your time with it and do a just a little at a time. Try to to rush through the rescribing.

Air Master Modeler,

Can I change my build to a 1/48 Revell F-4C Phantom II? Still Lt Col. Robert Titus's #64-0776 gunslinger.

The Hasegawa kit is really expensive for a 1/72 kit that comes with only air-to-ground armament at $40. I might have to rescribe panel lines but I think it is worth it. Bigger kit with lots of armament (including the gunpod I need) for about half the price of the Hasegawa.

constructor wrote:

Will the Aires cockpit set for the F-4C (for Hasegawa) fit my Revell kit? I don't want to be sorry later.

Just is case.... KEEP THE RECEIPT!  LOL

Bp is right though, it can be reshaped to fit. Another idea is to look for a Legend Productions Resin set. I used their F-4J set and was pretty impressed with it. It was a to work with but with a lot of patients it was well worth the effort.

lewbud wrote:

Rand, Put me down for a 1/72 F-86F in the markings of Capt. Lonnie R. Moore 335th FIS 4th FIW.

Your wish is granted! An F-86F it is! Got you listed again.

Rand,

Put me down for a 1/72 F-86F in the markings of Capt. Lonnie R. Moore 335th FIS 4th FIW.

constructor wrote:

Will the Aires cockpit set for the F-4C (for Hasegawa) fit my Revell kit? I don't want to be sorry later.

Even if it isn't a direct drop in, anything can be made to fit with some clever sanding

Rand,

Thanks for the help, but because of space limitations I build 1/72 (although seeing the Ali Cat with a couple of Hawk SAM's hanging off of it looked really cool).  Like I said, I've got some time and maybe I can find them or the Fujimi kit and build it at a later date.  I'll keep looking in the meantime.

Constructor,

If the kit is a recent offering I'd say it would because Revell and Hasegawa have been swapping molds for a while.  If it isn't you could probably make it work with grinding or shimming.

Lew, Try Sprue Brothers and maybe they will have the decals.

My personal fave is Sprue Brothers.

http://www.spruebrothers.com/

I just checked and Your in Luck... Sprue Brothers has a sheet for the Ali Cat!

http://store.spruebrothers.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=sbm&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=869747340&Count2=786887764&Keyword=1%2F48+Iranian+F%2D14+Ali+Cat+Decals&Target=products.asp

Enjoy!