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The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

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  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:49 AM

Thunderbolt379

It's only 6pm in Aus, just coming in dark... Nachos won't be ready for another half hour!

Must throw off the chains and fetters of real life responsibility and get back to styrene... Somehow!

Cheers, M/TB379

Blimey,

no one's told me youzz colonial, mate! (or I wasn't payin' attention)

Funny thing Mike, Berny was complaining about the retooled Revell kit away back on page hither, last yesterweek, and I realized the build was a sham. After all of the time I had sunk into the kit, I was going down with the ship! 

Hey, a bit of work yes, but the same relief so many of us feel when someone let's us know how it is supposed to be done, so I blame it all on PhantomPhixer!Toast

Yeah, nachos would go great right about now, that styrene swarf is way too sweet first thing in the morning!

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    June 2009
Posted by jimbot58 on Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:26 AM

Well, I fixed my broken wing tip. It's not perfect, but good enough for this build that has gone on far too long (Not seen here!)! I also have been painting under wing stores (tanks, bombs, etc.) and actually dropped a few decals in place on the lower wing and some data decals on the gear doors! (Oh, Yeah! I have also been working on the gear itself as well!)

This is the opposite of the repaired wing. It has been patched, painted, and re-clear coated, but I wait for it to dry more. This side actually has a crack in it as well, but it is a bit hard to see from this photo.

Gear door data decals:

These decals actually belong to the Italeri kit and seem to go down very well. The decals then are better than the kit they were supposed to go on!

*******

On my workbench now:

It's all about classic cars now!

Why can't I find the "Any" key on my keyboard?

 

 

 

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:46 AM

Hi Dominic,

"Never say Die" should be your slogan!  That is a fantastic job you are doing.  I can't wait to see the next stage.  Yes

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:48 AM

Hi Jim,

I am glad to see you have returned to the bench.  After all that frustration, I know you needed a break!  The detail is looking really good.  Yes

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, April 16, 2011 8:29 AM

Hi Everyone,

Last night we had our local IPMS monthly meeting.  Don gave me a disc with his pictures of his plane, "The Hoosier Hotshot".  Very cool!  I can't wait to get started on his plane after this build.

Speaking of "this build", I am going to get started on the "new" cockpit, knowing I now have a much closer resemblence to the F-4E cockpit than the last one.  And with the lessons I learned from my mistakes on the first one, I feel confident that this one is going to look a lot better.  I will post some pictures this evening.

Ken

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  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:42 AM

Hey Ken;

Sounds great to find the like minded, I'll look for Hoosier Hotshot.

Man we are learning as we go...now I'm getting concerned my cockpits are total trash...After that repair and plastic rhino-plasty, my kit suddenly looks authentic....more of a reason to keep plugggging away...sirens calling me to the shore!

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:03 PM

Well.  Some more progress today.  I finally decided to bite the bullet and modify the fuselage to accept the new intakes and then install them.  Stage 1 was rather simple but scary.  I am not the most coordinated person in the world and I winced with every stroke of the razor saw.  But it finally started to shape up the way I needed it.  They really understate how much cutting and sanding you need to do on the Intake instructions.  I had to take off way more than shown in the image.  Here are a few WIP images during the modification process.

I didn't stop to take any while I was doing the majority of the cutting but here you can see the holes opened up in the fuselage before final sanding and fitting.

 

 

 

Here are a couple of the fitting process.

 

 

 

And a closer look

 

 

The fitting took about 45 minutes for each half since I am slow as molasses nowadays, but I like the way they came out. 

After fitting I masked the entire outside of the intakes and applied a nice flat white interior to them.  I'm still not convinced that the British Phantoms had white in there, but without good images to go by, I decided to just do the white like the US birds have.  I used Testors Flat White rattle can because it wasn't worth the hassle of setting up the airbrush and compressor, and then having to clean the airbrush after spritzing 2 relatively small parts.  Here they are drying in my desk vise.  Oh a word of caution to those with desk vises.  If you have your vise attached to a desk which is less than a foot from the edge of your bed, be really careful if you have to get up in the middle of the night for a nature call....  Getting your bells rung at 2AM is most definitely not fun.  Anyways... Here's the last image of them drying.

 

 

Now all that remains is some CA and puttying, then probably a bit of rescribing to get the parts recessed panel lines to link back up.  Wish me luck.  The tricky it is next.

Rich

 

Oh Yeh.  My Daughter just ordered herself a vintage Monogram/Revell double kit with a MIG21 and an F4J in it.  She would like to do the F4J for the build.  I just wanted to check with the powers that be to see if that's OK.  The kit should be here by next Saturday.  Let me know please.

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:16 PM

Sparrowhyperion

Well.  Some more progress today.  I finally decided to bite the bullet and modify the fuselage to accept the new intakes and then install them.  Stage 1 was rather simple but scary.  I am not the most coordinated person in the world and I winced with every stroke of the razor saw.  But it finally started to shape up the way I needed it.  They really understate how much cutting and sanding you need to do on the Intake instructions.  I had to take off way more than shown in the image.  Here are a few WIP images during the modification process.

I didn't stop to take any while I was doing the majority of the cutting but here you can see the holes opened up in the fuselage before final sanding and fitting.

The fitting took about 45 minutes for each half since I am slow as molasses nowadays, but I like the way they came out. 

After fitting I masked the entire outside of the intakes and applied a nice flat white interior to them.  I'm still not convinced that the British Phantoms had white in there, but without good images to go by, I decided to just do the white like the US birds have.  I used Testors Flat White rattle can because it wasn't worth the hassle of setting up the airbrush and compressor, and then having to clean the airbrush after spritzing 2 relatively small parts.  Here they are drying in my desk vise.  Oh a word of caution to those with desk vises.  If you have your vise attached to a desk which is less than a foot from the edge of your bed, be really careful if you have to get up in the middle of the night for a nature call....  Getting your bells rung at 2AM is most definitely not fun.  Anyways... Here's the last image of them drying.

Now all that remains is some CA and puttying, then probably a bit of rescribing to get the parts recessed panel lines to link back up.  Wish me luck.  The tricky it is next.

Rich

 

Oh Yeh.  My Daughter just ordered herself a vintage Monogram/Revell double kit with a MIG21 and an F4J in it.  She would like to do the F4J for the build.  I just wanted to check with the powers that be to see if that's OK.  The kit should be here by next Saturday.  Let me know please.

Hi Rich,

Very nice job!!  Looks like it was made for it!  Yes

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:26 PM

Hi Everyone,

Well, just as I was about finished with the insulation blanket, I noticed what looks like something gouged a spot in the cockpit.  Here is a picure:

Also, the handle of the front control stick was broken off as shown in the next picture:

 

Now I didn't bother taking pictures of the other problems, but the ejection seats have several holes in addition to the problems shown above.  I am going to ask Sprue Brothers for a replacement, seeing as this cockpit cost $40.  So I am holding off until a new one arrives.  The first cockpit did not have any of these problems, so I am hoping this is just a fluke.

Ken

  • Member since
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  • From: Green Bay, WI
Posted by redraider56 on Sunday, April 17, 2011 3:50 PM

That gash in the cockpit and the holes you speak of in the seat are most likely due to casting imperfections.  Every so often bubbles form in the resin and cause an incomplete casting which results in holes or open spots on the finished item

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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  • From: New Jersey
Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:42 PM

 

Made a little more progress but now that its one color I think I want to go and reconfigure some more things.

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:53 PM

redraider56

That gash in the cockpit and the holes you speak of in the seat are most likely due to casting imperfections.  Every so often bubbles form in the resin and cause an incomplete casting which results in holes or open spots on the finished item

I totally agree with you.  And since the first cockpit didn't have any, I am hoping to get a replacement that is without those imperfections.  I would be more accepting of them except that I don't plan on painting the grey on the cockpit since it is already so close to the right color.  It would be nearly impossible to repair that spot and be able to match the color exactly so that it didn't show.

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:58 PM

68GT

Made a little more progress but now that its one color I think I want to go and reconfigure some more things.

That is a very nice looking Phantom.  It seems the Germans have the best looking paint schemes.  The Canadians were the same way with the Voodoo.  They had some real nice looking birds too.

Ken

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:07 PM

Rich -- I would be more than delighted to have your daughter join the GB! Is she setting up her own identity, or posting on yours? No worries, that's the only bit of info needed for me to update p1. Oh, IIRC, the Revell double if the Rhino and MiG was 1:32 -- is that right? I used to look at that kit with longing eyes when I was a kid!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:28 PM

I think she will probably post under my ID.  Yeh, those are a couple of nice kits.

 

Thunderbolt379

Rich -- I would be more than delighted to have your daughter join the GB! Is she setting up her own identity, or posting on yours? No worries, that's the only bit of info needed for me to update p1. Oh, IIRC, the Revell double if the Rhino and MiG was 1:32 -- is that right? I used to look at that kit with longing eyes when I was a kid!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:42 PM

Not 1/32, 1/48th.  She is going to do them with some AM Blue Angel F4J markings if she wins the auction in a couple of hours.

 

Sparrowhyperion

I think she will probably post under my ID.  Yeh, those are a couple of nice kits.

 

 

 Thunderbolt379:

 

Rich -- I would be more than delighted to have your daughter join the GB! Is she setting up her own identity, or posting on yours? No worries, that's the only bit of info needed for me to update p1. Oh, IIRC, the Revell double if the Rhino and MiG was 1:32 -- is that right? I used to look at that kit with longing eyes when I was a kid!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

 

 

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:16 PM

Does anyone know of any sites that have either the CAM or Yellowhammer 1/48 F4J Blue Angels decal set for less than they are raking people over the coals on eBay for it?  I just got sniped on the set I was going to get for my Daughter, and she is gonna be ticked when I tell her in the morning.  The only other sheets I see on eBay are for over $20 which is an amount my Wife would hang me up by the privates for if I spent that much on a sheet of decals... 

Rich

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

  • Member since
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  • From: Texas
Posted by Gregbbear on Monday, April 18, 2011 1:26 PM

Rich, try camdecals.com, they have them in stock last I saw.  I hope that helps.  I haven't ordered directly from them before, but I was going to order some Blue Angels decals in 1/72, but I managed to get a Fujimi that comes with them.  They also have the super cool VX-4 Bicentennial decals! which I will probably still order.

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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  • From: Ohio
Posted by Taps88 on Monday, April 18, 2011 3:43 PM

Sparrowhyperion

Does anyone know of any sites that have either the CAM or Yellowhammer 1/48 F4J Blue Angels decal set for less than they are raking people over the coals on eBay for it?  I just got sniped on the set I was going to get for my Daughter, and she is gonna be ticked when I tell her in the morning.  The only other sheets I see on eBay are for over $20 which is an amount my Wife would hang me up by the privates for if I spent that much on a sheet of decals... 

Rich

 

Sorry Rob,

If she were doing a 1/32 kit, I have those in my stash (Yellowhammer)

Eric / Formally known as Erock68

On the Bench:

Academy: 1/72 B17 Memphis Bell

Tamiya: 1/35 Panther G

Dragon: 1/35 Platformwagen SSy

 

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Monday, April 18, 2011 4:01 PM

Thanks anyways.  The 1/32 Phantoms are way too much for her at this point. lol  I have never run across a set of decals so hard to find before.  Only a couple on eBay and they are pricey, and even Hannants doesn't carry them in 1/48.

Taps88

 

If she were doing a 1/32 kit, I have those in my stash (Yellowhammer)

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Monday, April 18, 2011 4:18 PM

Well, a bit more progress.  I have the intakes on and all I need to do now is some filling with plaster and/or CA.  Here's a few images before filling..

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't think the pre-filling fit would be as good as it was.  Persistnce and a sanding stick sure do pay off.  I did have one small scare.  The back side of the intakes is very very thin resin.  The port intake cracked a little, but some CA and paint inside completely hid it.  If anyone else uses this kit, be careful when sanding the back area which you WILL need to do to get a good fit.

I will send up more images as things progress.

Rich

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: Ohio
Posted by Taps88 on Monday, April 18, 2011 4:41 PM

Yes, I know,

I'm just getting started but....

 

Does anyone have any good (close) reference pics, from the 30th Anniversary Phantom? I have good pics of the cockpit.

These are really the only 2, I've come across:

 

 

 

Eric / Formally known as Erock68

On the Bench:

Academy: 1/72 B17 Memphis Bell

Tamiya: 1/35 Panther G

Dragon: 1/35 Platformwagen SSy

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 18, 2011 5:46 PM

Rich -- I actually have two sets of the Yellowhammer 1:48 Blue Angels markings, but I can't find them! I've been trying to remember where they are, they're not with my main decal collection... No luck so far... That's why I held off adding her build to p1. Should I go ahead and list it at this time while markings are in flux?

Cheers, M/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Monday, April 18, 2011 6:33 PM

Go ahead and list her with an indeterminate F4J R/M kit in 1/48.  I am trying to convince my Wife to let me get her a set.  There are two on eBay I am watching.  But she kind of freaked when I told her the price.

Marissa usually uses the UID IguanaGirl, but I don't think I can register more than one UID here.  Since my subscription to FSM is attached to my ID, she wouldn't be able to post under her own anyways.  So I guess she will be having me post for her.

Rich

 

Thunderbolt379

Rich -- I actually have two sets of the Yellowhammer 1:48 Blue Angels markings, but I can't find them! I've been trying to remember where they are, they're not with my main decal collection... No luck so far... That's why I held off adding her build to p1. Should I go ahead and list it at this time while markings are in flux?

Cheers, M/TB379

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

  • Member since
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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 18, 2011 6:49 PM

No worries, Rich -- updating p1 and looking forward to seeing this project unfold!

Cheers, M/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, April 18, 2011 8:48 PM

Sparrowhyperion

Well, a bit more progress.  I have the intakes on and all I need to do now is some filling with plaster and/or CA.  Here's a few images before filling..

I didn't think the pre-filling fit would be as good as it was.  Persistnce and a sanding stick sure do pay off.  I did have one small scare.  The back side of the intakes is very very thin resin.  The port intake cracked a little, but some CA and paint inside completely hid it.  If anyone else uses this kit, be careful when sanding the back area which you WILL need to do to get a good fit.

I will send up more images as things progress.

Rich

Nice job Rich, looks real nice!  Yes

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, April 18, 2011 8:52 PM

Hi Everyone,

Sprue Brothers contacted me and they are sending me another cockpit along with a pre-paid return label for the defective cockpit.  Awesome service!  Can't say enough good things about them!

Ken

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Monday, April 18, 2011 8:57 PM

Thanks.  I just got through using Zap a Gap to do the filling.  I will let it set up overnight and see if I need to do any more sanding in the AM.  So Far, so good.  I did try a dry fit of the cockpit and it has some fit issues so I will be doing some sanding and filling there as well.  One of the resin pieces is hitting something it shouldn't.  Well, back to the great Decal Hunt.  Have a great night folks.

 

Rich

 

Son Of Medicine Man

 

 Sparrowhyperion:

 

Well, a bit more progress.  I have the intakes on and all I need to do now is some filling with plaster and/or CA.  Here's a few images before filling..

I didn't think the pre-filling fit would be as good as it was.  Persistnce and a sanding stick sure do pay off.  I did have one small scare.  The back side of the intakes is very very thin resin.  The port intake cracked a little, but some CA and paint inside completely hid it.  If anyone else uses this kit, be careful when sanding the back area which you WILL need to do to get a good fit.

I will send up more images as things progress.

Rich

 

 

Nice job Rich, looks real nice!  Yes

Ken

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: State of Mississippi. State motto: Virtute et armis (By valor and arms)
Posted by mississippivol on Monday, April 18, 2011 10:57 PM

Taps, one pic I have in my files. Don't know if it helps much. I have the box art of Revell's 1/32 kit of it. If I can access a camera, it has a really good pic on the box top.

Glenn

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  • From: State of Mississippi. State motto: Virtute et armis (By valor and arms)
Posted by mississippivol on Monday, April 18, 2011 11:03 PM

Taps, try this website. It is the 131 TFW's website that has a lot of Phantom pics. I see the 30th anniversary Rhino in a couple of them.

Glenn

http://s841.photobucket.com/albums/zz333/131stfighterwingdotcom/The%20F-4%20Years/

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