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                        ARMOR - Towed Gun Group Build (ends 7/1/04)

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                        Dwight Ta-ala
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:49 PM
                        If I do a towed AA gun the that qualifies me to the AA Gun Group Build, too.

                        Hmmmmmm. Ideas, ideas.

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                        ILuv3ggs
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Brisbane, Australia
                        Posted by ILuv3ggs on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:41 PM
                        are we allowed to add helicopters for the form of transport ? i was thinking of having my M198 haning from the bottom of a chinhook about to land ...
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:16 AM
                        I would love to see the Chinook/M198!!

                        I have picked mine. Trying to be original without leaving my WW2/1:35 comfort zone, I am going to do a vignette showing a Fallschirmjager attempting to tow a 7.5CM LEIGHTGESCHUTZE 40 with a bicycle! Unless I discover through research that it would be completely ludicrous, in which case I may switch to a stolen motorcycle.
                        Big Smile [:D]

                        I just hope I can make it work like I picture it...
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:04 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by shermanfreak

                        So ..... the M35 would be acceptable for this build as the prime mover then ... correct??

                        hmmm ... now you got me thinking !!!



                        Absatively, as long as you actually do the gun it's pulling Smile [:)]. After all, M35 was a prime mover, not an AFV. A great companion for an 8" gun! (Which I think AFV Club makes.)
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:08 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by ILuv3ggs

                        are we allowed to add helicopters for the form of transport ? i was thinking of having my M198 haning from the bottom of a chinhook about to land ...


                        Envelope pushing! Tongue [:P] What do other people think? I am cool with it. This is just my suggestion, but it's the group's build.
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                        djmodels1999
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                          December 2002
                        • From: United Kingdom / Belgium
                        Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:11 AM
                        Let him do it! Will be a fantastic model!
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:56 AM
                        QUOTE: Let him do it! Will be a fantastic model!


                        Will definately make for a good display, I say go for it!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:06 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Erock68

                        QUOTE: Let him do it! Will be a fantastic model!


                        Will definately make for a good display, I say go for it!


                        Sounds good! I'm glad you guys agree with me.

                        I am thinking very seriously about AFV Club's 8" howitzer plus a prime mover big enough to tow it, which might be a challenge. Despite what AFV Club says, the M35 didn't generally tow the 8" howitzer around -- a big truck was used instead.

                        Anyone built the AFV Club 8" howitzer or the Long Tom? Some people say they are great kits, others gripe about fit.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:06 AM
                        I went by Hob-Lob last night and picked up a Pak 40. I ain't doing no PE on this one. The only detailing will be scratchbuilt. I can't see paying 19 bucks for a pe set for a 8$ kit. So I'm going ol'school on this one. I already have the chevrolet gun tractor in the cabinet. So I'm all ready.... Waiting patiently..

                        PS I read somewhere that the M26 was used to tow heavy arty some times... That would be cute...Big Smile [:D]
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                        nmayhew
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Kent, England
                        Posted by nmayhew on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:28 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

                        QUOTE: Originally posted by ILuv3ggs

                        are we allowed to add helicopters for the form of transport ? i was thinking of having my M198 haning from the bottom of a chinhook about to land ...


                        Envelope pushing! Tongue [:P] What do other people think? I am cool with it. This is just my suggestion, but it's the group's build.


                        i can't wait to see that when built!!![:0][:0][:0]Cool [8D]
                        good to see we now have official sticky status by the way; thank you to "the powers that be"!Big Smile [:D]
                        i think i'll do Sd.Kfz 251/1d (tamiya) towing an old tamiya pak 40....Sd.Kfz 7 and a big 88mm is a bit too ambitious for me at the momentDisapprove [V]
                        regards,
                        nick
                        Kind regards, Nicholas
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:49 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by nmayhew
                        ....Sd.Kfz 7 and a big 88mm is a bit too ambitious for me at the momentDisapprove [V]


                        I hope someone does that, I've kept going on about how it's the classic matchup!

                        I'm going to do an ambitious project and have a safe fall-back just in case.

                        Allied heavy artillery was instrumental in pasting the Germans on the Western Front, and I'd like to celebrate that in the build -- remember, this build falls during the 60th anniversary of D-Day. So I may do some big humongous American or British gun with the big nasty transport to haul it.

                        And if I'm not done with that in time, a 37mm gun would be a handy one-night build! Tongue [:P] That's the cool thing about this -- giant howitzers pulled by mighty tractors can stand right beside deployed early-war AT pop-guns, and each one served its purpose. It's all good, as the kids like to say. Smile [:)]
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                        Rob Gronovius
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Fort Knox
                        Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:15 PM
                        I'm in. I started cutting the resin pieces from the pour stubs on my KMC 7.5cm light infantry gun. Very nicely detailed photoetch to go with the resin pieces. This is a very small kit with a lot of fine, thin parts.

                        It'll be my first piece of German towed artillery since I built a Nebelwerfer way back in college (early 1980s). This kit is about ½ the size of the Nebelwerfer, even though it is 1/35 scale.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:07 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Rob Gronovius

                        I'm in. I started cutting the resin pieces from the pour stubs on my KMC 7.5cm light infantry gun. Very nicely detailed photoetch to go with the resin pieces. This is a very small kit with a lot of fine, thin parts.


                        Good deal, Major Rob. PE really comes into its own on something like a gun kit. Sounds like your piece will be everything we all like the most about modeling. You look at this small thing, then get a closer look, and the detail's all there.

                        I wonder if your 7.5cm will be the smallest build-up in the group. It's a tiny gun, and of course it had to be. It'll be interesting to see what the largest one will be.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:21 PM
                        I saw an M102 (105mm towed) that had been jetisoned from a Chinook a long time ago. It was all bent up!

                        Just an FYI...

                        Speaking of the '102, when I was at Fort Sill in 1975 they had women training as canoneers in a trial program. I saw them when we went from the SP are for a week of 'Towed' school. Our instructors said they were outscoring the men on everything but loading and emplacement! How'd that be for a dio? Female US Army Arty trainees and their M102!

                        Ron
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:26 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Poniatowski

                        I saw an M102 (105mm towed) that had been jetisoned from a Chinook a long time ago. It was all bent up!

                        Just an FYI...

                        Speaking of the '102, when I was at Fort Sill in 1975 they had women training as canoneers in a trial program. I saw them when we went from the SP are for a week of 'Towed' school. Our instructors said they were outscoring the men on everything but loading and emplacement! How'd that be for a dio? Female US Army Arty trainees and their M102!

                        Ron


                        Interesting. I wonder if the Soviets used female artillerists in the GPW (Great Patriotic War). That would make an unusual diorama.
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                        nmayhew
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Kent, England
                        Posted by nmayhew on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:36 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

                        QUOTE: Originally posted by maffen

                        Big Smile [:D] what about something small?? like a steyr raupenschlepper towing a nebelwerfer (1/35) have them both but gonna finish first the others that are startedDisapprove [V]


                        Or perhaps a 37mm PAK gun in 1/72nd? Smile [:)]

                        Actually, I'm not completely joking. I'd love to see an tiny, intricate little gun all done up and superdetailed. Heck, I may do it myself.

                        I ma even do a diorama with an entire battery of artillery deployed (say, a British battery in the Western Desert) using the beautiful GHQ 1/285th scale models ....



                        By themselves, I wouldn't really consider building one of them to be "modeling," but a whole battery, in a diorama, I think would be. Thoughts? I started this, so I don't want to be the heretic. Smile [:)]


                        1/285th?![:0]
                        are you kidding? you'd need an electron microscope to see the pieces!!!Wink [;)]
                        Kind regards, Nicholas
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:24 PM
                        Larry,

                        I'm sure the Soviets did use women in Artillery. Lots of female tankers and 'grunts'.

                        Ron
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:45 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Poniatowski

                        Larry,

                        I'm sure the Soviets did use women in Artillery. Lots of female tankers and 'grunts'.

                        Ron


                        I know tankers and their traffic MP's were occasionally women. Some snipers too. I don't think they used women as infantry. Artillery could go either way of course. It's a non-hand-to-hand situation, but it also requires strength to load the weapons. Hmmm. No Russian woman posting here? Tongue [:P]
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:47 PM
                        QUOTE: ]
                        1/285th?![:0]
                        are you kidding? you'd need an electron microscope to see the pieces!!!Wink [;)]


                        They are teeny but they are beautifully detailed. They are often nicer than 1/72nd scale offerings. And dioramas with lots of them look very cool because you can model them with realistic space between each vehicle, and/or with entire units of vehicles. I remember seeing a diorama with a Soviet tank battation at a wargaming convention. Yes, a battalion.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:32 PM
                        Asked this in the original thread - try again!

                        QUOTE: Ummmm.....
                        Would a partially complete CMP Ford FAT/25pdr be allowed?
                        It stalled and I need motivation!
                        (Robert probly wants to see it done too.)
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                        bbrowniii
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West
                        Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:54 PM
                        Hey,

                        I'd definately be interested in this group build. I've never done one, so someone will have to give me a heads up of how it works. Confused [%-)] Do you set a schedule for getting sub-assemblies built and then, if a guy doesn't keep up, you send a bunch of other guys to his house, kick the doors down, take all his x-acto blades and kick him out of the build? Evil [}:)] 'Cause I'm definately 'that guy'. "Give me my #11's back you Censored [censored]!!!"

                        Anyways, I think I'll try to do something from the Pacific Theater. Anyone know what towed arty the Japanese used, maybe in the China area. Or maybe I'll do some good ol' USMC arty-dogs setting up shop on the sand of Iwo... I'm gonna have to do some research.Big Smile [:D]

                        'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

                         

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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:01 PM
                        Ron, Larry, there were also some female pilots. A pretty famous ace, but I can't recall her name.

                        I saw an ICM 100mm that got rave reviews and was dirt cheap. Anyone built it before?

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        shermanfreak
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by shermanfreak on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:29 PM
                        Even though the M35 wasn't actually designated as the prime mover for wither the 155 Long Tom or for the 8". They still make into interesting combinations. I'm probably going to go with the 8" having already built the Long Tom. My opinion was it's a great kit, had some "busy" parts that needed special attention but great none the less.

                        As far as suspending the 105 from a Chinook .... definitely 2 thumbs up from this end. Sounds fantastic !!!!!
                        Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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                        wipw
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                          January 2003
                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Posted by wipw on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:36 PM
                        Man, I'd really like to get into this one. The DML Kettenkrad with Pupchen is just crying to me to do it here. But I'm just not going to commit to another group build. Sorry. But I'd really like to get some of my many "starts" into the finished column!
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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                        Dwight Ta-ala
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:37 PM
                        I got my kit yesterday but she'll be waiting on (I mean on top of) the closet for the starting time...

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:49 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

                        I got my kit yesterday but she'll be waiting on (I mean on top of) the closet for the starting time...


                        I'm gonna wait too, Dwight, but not because of the suggested start time -- because I will have my hands full with the Panther and then the Sherman right on its heels! [:0]

                        The great thing about the gun build though is that generally speaking the guns will be a little less time intensive to build.

                        Someone was talking about USMC guns -- I saw a nice 1/35th scale Bofors gun with what appeared to be Marine crew, but I don't recall the manufacturer. ADV Azimut maybe? I saw it while perusing the R&J website, http://www.rjproducts.com

                        Someone else asked about partially built up kits. Shhh! Tongue [:P] Actually, if a group buld gets you to finish up a kit, then the build has done its job.

                        Yet someone else has said he's new to these things. Well, don't forget to mail me the $20 check for the "group member fees." Tongue [:P]

                        Robert I agree completely about the M35 -- I didn't mean to get all rivet-counterish.
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                        Dwight Ta-ala
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:52 PM
                        A $20 membership fee? Oh my, that's more than twice the price of my kit. LOL.

                        BTW I will be done with my Sherman so I'll be free for next group build.

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:40 PM
                        I went digging around in the -1 degree temp storage shed.

                        I was looking for either my Pak 50 or the Pak 97/75

                        Needless to say, my body gave out to the cold before I found either.

                        I did find the following:
                        M35 w/ 8 inch gun

                        M59 Long Tom

                        German 75mm Infantry Gun 18 (The little guy. I picked up a Russian Komsemoletes tractor to tow this one)

                        Pak 36 (another little guy)

                        Italian Skoda DA 75/13

                        Italian Autocarretta mod 36 (Prime Mover)

                        Italian Skoda 100/17

                        Russian B-4 203mm (the one with the tracked carriage)



                        Since I've got some unusual stuff sitting on the shelf, I'll let the group pick.

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                        ILuv3ggs
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Brisbane, Australia
                        Posted by ILuv3ggs on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:40 PM
                        i'll have ti try and find a kit of the CH-47 C or D ... otherwise i can settle for any version

                        i haven't been modeling for long (about 3 years "seriously") so i think this will be a big learning curve for me,

                        oh, and are we allowed to add bases and grass or something ? or is it just the model itself?

                        i ask alot of questions, sorry Tongue [:P]
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:07 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by claymore68

                        Asked this in the original thread - try again!

                        QUOTE: Ummmm.....
                        Would a partially complete CMP Ford FAT/25pdr be allowed?
                        It stalled and I need motivation!
                        (Robert probly wants to see it done too.)



                        I didn't start this, but as far as I am concerned......Go For It!
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