ARMOR - Towed Gun Group Build (ends 7/1/04)

I'm in too. Tamiya Krupp Protze and Pak 36 3.7cm At gun or Kettenkrad and Pupchen ( Bill, (WIPW) I 'll join you in the sanitorium after doing the 300 piece indy tracks for this little beast)

It's going to be a long build and I'll do it OOB as best I can for a change.....so I may even dredge up the British 25pdr from my collection pit as well!

I have an AFV Club M59 Long Tom I'd like to do for this build. Now I need to find a vehicle to pull this thing...

Regards, Dan

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala Someone was talking about USMC guns -- I saw a nice 1/35th scale Bofors gun with what appeared to be Marine crew, but I don't recall the manufacturer. ADV Azimut maybe? I saw it while perusing the R&J website, http://www.rjproducts.com Yet someone else has said he's new to these things. Well, don't forget to mail me the $20 check for the "group member fees."

That was me who mentioned Jarheads -

A bofors gun, huh? Sounds cool, but were those towed?

$20!!! [:0] Aww, man... Alright... Who should I send it to? I hope this is the last one I have to pay. Jeepers, those guys in the airplane forum make me pay ten bucks for each smilie face I use...

You know, I was born during the day...

QUOTE: [i] $20!!! [:0] Aww, man... Alright... Who should I send it to? I hope this is the last one I have to pay. Jeepers, those guys in the airplane forum make me pay ten bucks for each smilie face I use... You know, I was born during the day...

Boyd, that because unlike the aircraft guys, we may be easy but we ain't cheap [:0] It's good to see you've got a sense of humor, that's a valuble commodity around here!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by ILuv3ggs oh, and are we allowed to add bases and grass or something ? or is it just the model itself?

Diorama? Sounds good to me.

QUOTE: A bofors gun, huh? Sounds cool, but were those towed?

Oui oui!

Only thing is that it's one of those fancy schmancy all resin/white metal/PE kits so it might be a bit pricey. Nice thing is that it comes with the Marines to shoot the gun, in action poses. I think they are marines, anyway. Hard to see in the photo.

QUOTE: $20!!! [:0] Aww, man...

Ah yes, but think of all the benefits you obtain ....

"Oops I did it again" Once again I rushed out to buy a Pak 40 and I returned home an found one in my cabinet......... Oh well... Only 8 bucks...

This is gonna be a fun one.... and CHEAP!!!! Unlike the last group build

Peace Ya'll

Ok, that Bofors gun is definitely ADV/Azimut. Here it is, in a pic swiped from r&j:



It's pretty nifty looking but at $75, it's fairly expensive. And I will bet that it is not an easy build -- though their resin kits have a good reputation for casting quality, at the end of the day it's still a resin and PE kit.

I have not decided my build items yet. I like the idea of the chinook, its my kinda "shock" style outside of the box :)

Whoever asked if we could put grass, or bases, etc... asking if the build is just the model, the answer is up to you. If you post pictures of your model on the base... do you think we would say "TAKE IT OFF THAT BASE" heheheheh. Personally, a model without a base...is, well, ... not finished in my book

This group build should really bring out some creative displays. There are so many places "to put" a gun on the battlefield

I have a few ideas on paper.... cant decide which way to go. Luckily we have some time to decide still

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn Ok, that Bofors gun is definitely ADV/Azimut. Here it is, in a pic swiped from r&j: It's pretty nifty looking but at $75, it's fairly expensive.

75 bucks!! YIKES! [:0] Maybe I'll just do one of those $8 Pak 40's... or I'll see what else I can come up with.

What are the wwII kit options for US anti tank guns? I would like to set up a German halftrack or truck towing arty being ambushed by the US hmmmm???

Boy not much US stuff out there. Artillery is pretty neglected by the big players in general.

I saw today that Dragon make quite a range of small artillery.
They make an 8.8cm puppchen on sleds! That could make an interesting small diorama project.

They also make a 2.8cm anti-tank gun being towed by a horse!

I am only after a small project so these would by ideal and a little different.

Anyone else know of anything along similar lines?

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman Boy not much US stuff out there. Artillery is pretty neglected by the big players in general.

Well, when talking about "proper" artillery for WWII, we have the 105mm howitzer, we have the Long Tom and we have the 8" gun. Could be better, but that's not horrible.

The bigger problem is prime movers,

if you want to go that route (and you certainly don't have to for this build). The 105 was pulled by the Short Jimmy (2 1/2 ton truck), which no one makes (the Tamiya Jimmy is not a Short Jimmy). The Long Tom and the 8" howitzer were pulled either by the absolutely huge, very imposing Mack NO truck (7.5 ton truck) -- also no kit AFAIK -- or by the good old M4 high speed tractor -- no kit (except the Blue Tank one which is supposed to be a complete piece of crap). There may be limited edition kits of these vehicles but they are usually astronomically priced and hard to find.

Grrr!

"Jerry" has the opposite problem. The plastic Tamiya FAMO is around for the Matterhorns, but the Matterhorns themselves are not available except in resin from some European company -- 500 pieces of fiddly resin to construct, apparently! They are awesome looking guns though, especially the Brummbar (21 cm version).

The Brits have it worse, though Accurate Armour makes seceral big gun kits and the prime movers. But of course they are expensive. Maybe Airfix makes something?

It's easier to find smaller tactical guns and just have a Hanomag pull them around.

Italian and Japanese guns are purely in the land of limited ediiton resin.

Remember though that there are a decent number of nice little gun kits out there for AAA. They are usually very sleek and nifty looking. They look dangerous with all those barrels.

Hi all!!! In my post about building my second armor, the Quad gun tractor, it was sugested that i get a 25 pounder gun for my truck to tow, and to come join in this build... so here i am!!!!

Most of my time here on FSM has been in the Auto section, but not much goes on there so i decided to branch out a little, and here i am on the the dark side!!!!!

I went to the LHS today and found a British 25 Pounder gun for 15 bucks, does that sound about right??? I didn't buy it yet, cause the wife was with me, and i spend over 80 bucks there yesterday!!!!

So my knowledge of armor and guns and such is VERY limited, so please feel free to slap me upside the head once in awhile and guide me in the correct direction!!!!!


Thanks guys!!!!!1

Thats it bud... I haven't built the gun but I have built the tactor years ago and loved it. I am gonna do another one for this GB...

later ok

Howdy,

Just realised this group gun build thread was here, great stuff! (Thanks L_D)

Although it seems I've jumped the gun already without realising it (no pun intended...). I've nearly completed a Pak 35/36, and have posted a few pics in a separate thread of my progress. Check them out there here:

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14189

I'm going to attempt my first 'proper' diorama as well, basically just some uneven ground, a bunch of mud, and some small foliage. I'd say that's a big enough task for the first attempt.

Anyway, glad to join you guys!

Captain

mark, Welcome to the group. Keep us updated as you build your diorama. Of you have any questions what so ever.... The folks around here are happy to help...

I have had a bit of a head start on this but here's my bit o'plastica

these are going to be added for the crew just chilling out:


and here are the AA gun Dio pics, I just need to make a spray wash to coat it all so it'll look not so fresh.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Redleg1-7FA I have had a bit of a head start on this but here's my bit o'plastica

Hey, lookin' good so far.

Is that kit the CMK 1/35th scale 3.7cm Flak 43? If so, how was it as a build-up? Never built a CMK kit before.

Mark and Moe, welcome! It's gonna be great to see all those guns getting built and painted. Remember that start times are for those who don't want to start right away, and end times are just a little gentle pressure for the procrastinators -- like me! If you finish tomorrow (or February 2005), post pics so we can enjoy. I'm going to try to post some pics soon myself. I'm worried though because the pics I take always come out much, much worse than any of the pics I see here.

Welcome Mark and Moe. To answer your price question Moe, it seems about right. I haven't built that kit in about 25 years. Only one I know about.

US Prime Movers update:

Yup, there are pieces available to build the various prime movers I discussed earlier. As I predicted, hard to find, expensive, difficult to build -- what armor modeler does not salivate at those words?

From Real Models is the conversion for the Tamiya Jimmy to make a Short Jimmy, the kind that hauled the 105mm howitzer:



ADV/Azimut makes a full kit of the great big Mack NO 7.5 ton prime mover:



And PSP Models we have the M4 Allis Chambers high speed tractor.



Alternately, you can be less of a fuss-budget and just use the readily-available M35 for the bigger guns, or a normal Jimmy for the 105 (which BTW is made by Italeri, not a bad little kit). I'll bet a nickle that these vehicles were used in fact to pull those guns on occasion.

German seems the more painless route if you want to to a gun + tranport, as you've got a number of small weapons plus light prime movers around.

There's always the Italeri 7.5cm IG. Or, does the 3.7cm gun come off of the Mobilwagon? You could always build just the gun for the group build, then stick it on the tank.

That high speed tractor is pretty sweet. Those saw action in the Pacific, didn't they? I have this recollection of seeing footage, but I might be thinking of the DUKW...

Anyways, maybe a build of that tractor towing something captured... like an 88 or maybe a Pak-40. Man, I thought I was settled on the Pacific but now I'm conflicted!!

Must do.... research... narrow down... topic....

Hey, uh, one more question...

The other day, someone commented on how exciting it was that this topic got 'sticky' status. What is sticky status? (Does it just mean the topic doesn't bounce around?). And who dishes it out, 'cause that sounds like a pretty cool gig...

Right, now, back to that research!! GUNS.... BIG ONES.... With thingys to pull 'em...

QUOTE: Originally posted by bbrowniii That high speed tractor is pretty sweet.

Better be. It's $185.

Wait a minute I've never done a group build before but do we have to pay $20 or not ? or was that just a joke?

I'm probably going to get my nebelwerfers and halftrack after I finish Trumpeter's Leopold (that thing has soooo many parts) then I'm good to go

Sorry for the lack of a sense of humor if it was a joke

QUOTE: Originally posted by ddayomaha Wait a minute I've never done a group build before but do we have to pay $20 or not ? or was that just a joke? I'm probably going to get my nebelwerfers and halftrack after I finish Trumpeter's Leopold (that thing has soooo many parts) then I'm good to go Sorry for the lack of a sense of humor if it was a joke

just yanking of the chain

QUOTE: Originally posted by bbrowniii Hey, uh, one more question... The other day, someone commented on how exciting it was that this topic got 'sticky' status. What is sticky status? (Does it just mean the topic doesn't bounce around?). And who dishes it out, 'cause that sounds like a pretty cool gig... Right, now, back to that research!! GUNS.... BIG ONES.... With thingys to pull 'em...

yep, "sticky" is when the post stays up top along with the other group builds so you don't have to go hunting for it!!
it is granted by "the powers that be", as i call them...the editors who run the site i guess.
regards,
nick

ok guys, i would like to build my first diorama for the gun and tractor, but i never did one before, and i would like to keep it simple.. Can anyonegive me some advice???

geman 88s are included right? and a halftrack for the prime mover??? ive never done a group build before... probably the only one on fsm armor forum that hasnt lol.