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ARMOR - Towed Gun Group Build (ends 7/1/04)

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 13, 2004 8:25 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by muzzleflash88
I plan to position a plethora of russian AT gear defending the dneiper. Approve [^]
I have a pair of 45mm AT guns, a 76mm AT gun, some troops (one has a woman on the sprue), and some horses/limbers bringing in supplies. I need to locate some more troops though to complete my scene.


Oh my God, how completely cool. That will really be an eye-catcher when it's done.

Meanwhile, back at the Dunn Ranch ...

I started PST's "little" 152mm D-1 howitzer last night. The track is going to have to wait, though hopefully I will have the gun finished tonight (after I shoot my pre-shade on my Panther, which I can do tonight because I washed all the components last night.)

Mini-review: pretty good shapes, the plastic is fairly good to work with, though there are teeny parts attached to a big fat sprue that take time to clean up. So far the level of detial is quite passable for 1/72nd, though this is no Revell Germany braille scale piece.

Instructions are not horrible, but are very vague in places. injector pin marks are on some of the larger pieces, but were not that hard to remove. The breech block on the main gun piece had a huge hole in it that needed to be fixed.

So far I give PST a 6 out of 10. But then again, I haven't tried to put the gun shield on yet, so that grade could change. I'll post pics when the gun and prime mover are built, before I paint or weather them.
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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 13, 2004 4:34 PM
Muzzleflash, that sounds cool. Who makes the 45mm?

I saw a British Universal Carrier at my LHS, did they tow anything?

Any news on AFV's 251? That might work too. Can't remember if it's a D or what it is.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 13, 2004 5:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman
I saw a British Universal Carrier at my LHS, did they tow anything?


Yup, the six-pounder.
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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 13, 2004 5:24 PM
Thanks Larry, I thought it might have. My son and I built the old one, but Tamiya released a newer version. It comes with more guys and goodness knows what. I enjoyed helping him on his. Was thinking this might be, dare I say it, an easy build. I could go for a simple build right now and it fits in the budget. Argh! So many decisions. Thank goodness the build is a ways off, that will give me some time to contemplate all the choices.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 13, 2004 11:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

Muzzleflash, that sounds cool. Who makes the 45mm?



ICM for the 45mm, the 76mm is Zveda.

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 13, 2004 11:53 PM
Thanks Muzzleflash. How do there kits stand up? I saw a Russian 100mm that was very inexpensive. I'm apprehensive, since I haven't built anything of theirs.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:18 AM
Just got me a Quad Gun Tractor and 25 pounder! Can I play?LOL
What other colors aside from OD and desert did these things come in? I have always wanted this vehicle because it's design is so unique. All the ones I've ever seen build are either OD or desert and I'd like to do something original. I might do it in desert sand coupled with my Italeri SAS jeep. Since it's unpainted I could do it in desert sand as well. So many possibilities!Big Smile [:D]
"Some men look at things the way they are and ask ' Why?'. I dream of things that never were and ask "Why not?".--Robert Kennedy taken from George Bernard Shaw's "Back To Methuselah" (Thanks to TomZ2) http://martiangundammodels.50megs.com/index.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:13 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

Thanks Muzzleflash. How do there kits stand up? I saw a Russian 100mm that was very inexpensive. I'm apprehensive, since I haven't built anything of theirs.


Tiger, the ICM 100mm is one of the most raved-about kits in terms of minute detail. It has lots of little parts. I haven't built it myself, so I can't give you my perspective on how smooth a build it is, but I've seen it built up, and it is lovely.

It's also offered paired with a Russian truck, with Serb decals for the latest series of Balkan wars (Russian weapons systems keep going, and going, and ...). It was my desire to turn to that kit that led me to suggest this group build, though I then realized that the D-Day anniversary was coming up, which put me on a different track.
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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:59 AM
Thanks Larry, I remember seeing the mentioned combo with the truck.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

Thanks Muzzleflash. How do there kits stand up? I saw a Russian 100mm that was very inexpensive. I'm apprehensive, since I haven't built anything of theirs.


Tiger, the ICM 100mm is one of the most raved-about kits in terms of minute detail. It has lots of little parts. I haven't built it myself, so I can't give you my perspective on how smooth a build it is, but I've seen it built up, and it is lovely.



The 76mm looks like it has better detail than the 45mm overall. I can see text imprinted on the tires on the 76mm but no lettering on the 45mm wheels. That's the only difference in printed detail that I could see. The instructions are different too, the 76mm looks like it could recoil and move around, the 45mm looks more static but i'll find out when we start...

when do we start anyway.... i think some of you have already started Tongue [:P]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MartianGundamModeler

Just got me a Quad Gun Tractor and 25 pounder! Can I play?LOL
What other colors aside from OD and desert did these things come in? I have always wanted this vehicle because it's design is so unique. All the ones I've ever seen build are either OD or desert and I'd like to do something original. I might do it in desert sand coupled with my Italeri SAS jeep. Since it's unpainted I could do it in desert sand as well. So many possibilities!Big Smile [:D]


The britts also used pink and blue as camo colors for desert vehicles.
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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by muzzleflash88

when do we start anyway.... i think some of you have already started Tongue [:P]


I believe it was set up for April 15th. Muzzleflash, isn't the Zveda 76 Italeri's old kit?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:07 PM
QUOTE:
I believe it was set up for April 15th.


Well, the suggested start was April 1, but that was only because of the Sherman build. I didn't want to overlap. I actually started doing a model for the build, but I'm back on my Panther now. I may start putting the yellow over the preshade tonight. [:0]

And I am dying to start my Sherman -- got the donor kit but the Formations M4A1 set hasn't arrived yet.
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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:32 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

Well, the suggested start was April 1, but that was only because of the Sherman build.


Whoops, me bad. Blush [:I] That's still a generous start time.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:43 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by muzzleflash88

QUOTE: Originally posted by MartianGundamModeler

Just got me a Quad Gun Tractor and 25 pounder! Can I play?LOL
What other colors aside from OD and desert did these things come in? I have always wanted this vehicle because it's design is so unique. All the ones I've ever seen build are either OD or desert and I'd like to do something original. I might do it in desert sand coupled with my Italeri SAS jeep. Since it's unpainted I could do it in desert sand as well. So many possibilities!Big Smile [:D]


The britts also used pink and blue as camo colors for desert vehicles.


I have a Pink Panther which can be pink or green but i have never seen it on WWII vehicles. I am working on a Pinkie and it is UN white. My second will be pink. What shade of blue did the Brit's use? I know some of the Stuart Honeys had some blue on them.


"Some men look at things the way they are and ask ' Why?'. I dream of things that never were and ask "Why not?".--Robert Kennedy taken from George Bernard Shaw's "Back To Methuselah" (Thanks to TomZ2) http://martiangundammodels.50megs.com/index.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:36 PM
I've got my pak40 so I may look for some more figures, but I'm waiting for the start date.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 16, 2004 3:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ShermanFirefly

I've got my pak40 so I may look for some more figures, but I'm waiting for the start date.


I got my Azimut Mack NO Truck and 8" howitxer from greatmodels.com today! Despite it's really tiny box (roughly the size of a 1/72nd scale tank kit), there are millions of resin parts to the Mack NO -- and a few vacuform too. [:0] Funny that the gun is such a simple kit compared to the truck, and a basically smaller piece of equipment, yet its box is almost twice the size!

I will probably wind up waiting until the start date for this too -- if I'm lucky, as I have my Panther to finish and the Sherman to do as well. I am behind on both of those. Blush [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:52 AM
Well, I guess I am officially adding the first images to this group build! So I jumped the gun a little bit. Smile [:)]

This was a quickie project for the heck of it, in between steps on my Panther. It's a 1/72nd scale Russian D-1 howitzer, apparently first used in 1943 and subsequently finding its way into the arsenals of virtually all countries armed by the Soviets, including the NVA and the Iraqis. The prime mover is a bizarre Russian halftrack called the ZIS-42, which is basically a Ford Model AA truck with treads in the back. It was a failure and did not continue in production after the war, though several thousands were made and some were converted to fire engines (!) after the war.

I built the gun, mostly over the weekend. Here are some random observations on the kit.

This is a kit made in Belarus by a company called PST, and it has lots of flat surfaces, presumably to keep the cost of the molds down.

Ejector pins ejectors pins ejector pins! Their calling cards are everywhere on this kit, and after I while I started to adopt a devil-may-care attitude about their presence.

This is one of those kits that has lots of tiny skinny pieces attached to huge tree-trunk sprues. As a result, many of the smaller pieces broke despite best efforts to keep them together. Thankfully many of these broken parts lay atop other larger parts, so I was able to piece them together like a puzzle by attaching them stage by stage to the larger piece they lay on.

The plastic was partly responsible too. is an odd combination of brittle and soft, and looks like it may be radioactive, or possibly made out of Ivory Spring soap!

That said, it's an interesting subject, and it looks pretty neat when its all together. Here are some pics. I'm going to prime it black, glue the two gun sections together, paint the gun and the wheels, painting the tires separately, and then attach the tires to the wheels and then the wheels to the gun. The tires are styrene, BTW, not rubber, but are still separate.

Fiddly fun -- not the weekend project I had hoped for, but still! The tractor has fewer slender pieces but it requires lots of piece alteration to the basic kit and some added wire and so on. I'll turn to that next.





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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:18 AM
Wow man that looks wild....an little. It does somewhat resemble green soap doesn't it Big Smile [:D] Looks like it will be neat looking when finnished though. Great job. I usually don't have the patience for poor molding... I just bought a kit by Alan and it has a tone of flash in it BUT its the only kit of a Grille that I know of so I'll deal with it. Watch for a review in the next day or two...
I am all ready to start on my project but I have so many different kits and projects on my bench right now.. I spent my shop time last night trying to figure out where to start... I need to make out a list or something to keep on task... I guess

Later
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:52 AM
Here is nice link I found on artillary and some odd Russian equipment...

http://www.thetankmaster.com/artillery.asp
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Kennethc

Here is nice link I found on artillary and some odd Russian equipment...

http://www.thetankmaster.com/artillery.asp


Hey, thanks for that, Kenneth. The instructions were vague in many places, and I had found another website with a bunch of original photos of another of these guns set up outside a Russian museum -- in fact, it is the gun set up next to one that is featured on your website -- the 152mm D-20. You can see it in the background in this photo:

http://www.thetankmaster.com/images/AFV/D20/D20_02.jpg

The photos of the D-1 on the link you just provided are a bit better, though. I think that might be a version developed for, or by, the Chinese though. Some of the components look slightly different to the D-1 set up at the museum.

I love those giant Russian pieces that are mounted on treads. They are really frightening looking.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:39 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Kennethc

Wow man that looks wild....an little. It does somewhat resemble green soap doesn't it Big Smile [:D]


I don't know whether I want to paint it, or eat it.

QUOTE: I just bought a kit by Alan and it has a tone of flash in it BUT its the only kit of a Grille that I know of so I'll deal with it. Watch for a review in the next day or two...


Great. How about Dragon? Don't they make a Grille or two?

QUOTE: I am all ready to start on my project but I have so many different kits and projects on my bench right now.. I spent my shop time last night trying to figure out where to start... I need to make out a list or something to keep on task... I guess


I know what you mean. This little sidetrack (pardon the expression) aside, I am trying to stay on target -- take it bird by bird, to quote Anne Lamott:


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:50 AM
Larry, Ahh thanks for the story... I need to print that and past it above my bench. So very true...

Allan's kit it the Grille M. DMLs kit it a Grille H which is a little different.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Kennethc
Allan's kit it the Grille M. DMLs kit it a Grille H which is a little different.


Got it -- you needed a specific cricket. Smile [:)]

I like that Anne Lamott quote a lot. You'd be surprised how often I have found it come in handy.

What's excerpted from it is that they had gone away to a house at the shore for summer vacation and her brother had brought all the stuff, resolved to work on the report while at the shore, but was always to busy doing shore things to get to the report. You know how ten-year-olds can be. (I have one in my house now, my wife's first child -- she's a widow.)
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:01 PM
"specific cricket" he he ... thats funny...

Yes I was a procrastanator in college myself.. so I can relate to the kid in the story... Most definately...

I think I am gonna go with just one or maybe two stock figures on this project for scale effect. The half dozen or so in my panther dio are killin me... Tru!



Peace...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:30 PM
I'm putting the little gun aside, as my Formations Sherman M4A1 set came today. Lots of resin parts to take off sprues, though after the experience with the PST kit, that will seem like a walk in the park!

Then it's on to the Mack Truck and the 8" howitzer ....
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:15 PM
Larry:

You started already? LOL.

Seriously, nice pics. Kinda remind me of greem jelo. He-he-he.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:52 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

Larry:

You started already? LOL.

Seriously, nice pics. Kinda remind me of greem jelo. He-he-he.


Maybe I'll put some whipped cream on top so it looks winterized. Smile [:)]

I'll continue to work on it when I get bored with other projects, but now that my stuff for my Sherman build has arrived, the little Russian howitzer is going to have to wait. Cool [8D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:19 AM
Oh my... I may be starting ahead of time too... I took a peek at my Pak 40 kit last night to get an idea of whats there (haven't built this one, or even seen one in person built) Anyway... this little bruiser is gonna take some work... It didn't look too good when compared to my reference photos.... There are some really good points of the kit and well done details but in other places it just plain aint good... SOOO we'll see what happens. My luck the AFV Club kit will be released about the time I finnish....

Peace Ya'll
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:42 PM
Update on my build.. Dneiper Defense ...(more items ordered)

I have ordered the DML Russian tank riders, and the DML russian red army snipers/scouts.

These will be part of the display with the (2) 45mm at guns, (1) 76mm at gun, other troops, and the horse/cart/supplies.

I did some test placements on a pretty large board and I may not have room for the destroyed panzer 2 luchs that I envisioned being destroyed by my defending russians.

I'm still coming up with placement ideas so I can try to fit it all in there :)

I havent started any work yet, just been looking over the instructions and sprues to see what kind of work lies ahead. For example, I have already seen the instructions for the horse/cart and the kit provides the harnesses but I have to scratchbuild all the leather strapping.

I can post some photos of the boxes and sprues soon i guess :)
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