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Big Beautiful Jugs - OFFICIAL P-47 GROUP BUILD

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:55 AM

Jbrady and O: Sharp work guys!

Pulled out the Promodeler kit last night and looked it over. I picked up an Eduard ZOOM set for the Academy P-47N and am coming up with a plan of attack on how to make it fit the Revell kit (Eduard doesn't make a set for the PM kit Sad).

Hey all the badges look great, can't make up my mind!

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Posted by oortiz10 on Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:23 PM

OK gang,

 

I've had a little time to devote to the Jug, so I focused on its front end.  While work continues on the airframe, I thought I'd use the nose as a distraction from the tedium.  Here's what I got...

 

 

 

 

Thanks for thanks for looking.  Feel free to drop your two cents in the bucket on the way out.  I appreciate your feedback.

 

Cheers!

-O

 

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by some assembly required on Friday, December 16, 2011 9:20 PM

i like both of them. i also really like the night shot of the 47 firing its .50's  that doogs has up in the beginning of the thread!  nothing like 671 grains of love to make your day...

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Posted by jbrady on Friday, December 16, 2011 9:16 PM

I still like the first one. Love a P-47 in flight... that's just me though. Here's the cockpit for "Miss Dallas"

There was a color discussion a few pages back. I decided to go witha dull dark green i mixed of a B-25 build a while back. It's dull, its dark, and its green. A couple of touchups and on to the engine. More later.

   

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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, December 16, 2011 9:06 PM

This more to your liking?

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Centhot on Friday, December 16, 2011 5:36 PM

That new badge needs more contrast for the lettering, it's rather hard to read.  Nice picture though

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:36 PM

 

With the logo, Satch:

There is also this one but it may be "over the top" for the forum.....

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by satch_ip on Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:55 PM

Don't think I'll tackle the Tamiya jug just yet.  I have the Big Ed set for it.  I might go with a Hasegawa or Academy one.

 

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Posted by satch_ip on Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 PM

how bout this one.

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Posted by jbrady on Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:59 PM

John: Looks good to me.

Doogs: I know this build isn't official for a few more days... but I just started a Jug for the Nose Art GB and would like to cross over here. Hope you don't mind. On a completely different subject I gotta give you a big shout out for the build pictures of your "failed" Dauntless. Without those pics the cockpit would have ended up in the circular filing cabinet. Whoever designed the footrails and rudder control links is one sadistic SOB.

   

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:15 PM

How about this.  Suggestions for change welcome!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by oortiz10 on Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:51 AM

DoogsATX

Dude! You're definitely in! I can't turn down the early 90s boxing of the Monogram Jug! 

...welcome to the GB!

 

WOOHOO!  I’m in!

OK, I wasn’t sure if the progress on this kit was disqualify me from the GB, but I kept moving forward with the Mystery Jug anyway.  (C’mon, who isn’t gonna build a free kit?)  Since school’s over, I’ve had some time to spend mashing plastic.  Here are the results…

This kit seems to have just materialized in my parents’ garage.  My folks don’t know where it came from; they didn’t even know that it was there. They seem to think that it’s mine, but I’m not sure that can be.  I don’t ever remember buying that kit.  (Cue The Twilight Zone theme song…)  The kit’s been started, has all its parts, and the instructions indicate the painting guide and decals are for Schilling’s Hairless Joe, but I didn’t find any decals in the box.  A little research on the interweb tells me it’s Monogram’s “High Tech” boxing using their 1967 molds (date’s stamped on the stabilizer).  This kit includes a fret of photoetch, but I’ve never built a kit using PE.  I’ve never even purchased a kit with PE until recently, much less attempted one.  Further, the sub-assemblies that have been completed don’t show the use of any filler at all.  (I know that can’t be my work!)  Thing is, I stepped away from the hobby about 10 years ago and have only started up again within the last few years, so I wonder how long that kit’s been there. From the looks of the instructions, it seems like it’s been a while.




Don’t even ask me where those resin wheels came from…


Something else that leads me to believe this wasn’t my kit to start with is one of the elevators was removed from the stabilizer. My guess is the point was to build the kit with repositioned control surfaces, yet only one was detached. So I went ahead and removed the other. First time I’ve done this; let’s see how it turns out.

 

One thing you might notice about the tail is the raised detail has been sanded off and the panel lines have been rescribed. I figured I’d use this build to get some scribing practice in too. So, out came my scribing tool and away went all the raised detail. The scribing was challenging since the major components have been assembled. I did the best I could.

 

After I got the scribing done, I thought I'd add a little detail and open up the vents that are on the forward part of the fuselage, right behind the cowling. Unfortunately, while trying to thin the plastic behind the vents in an attempt to open them up, my ham-fistedness (Is that a word?) pushed my Dremel through the fuse.

So, I figured I’d have to scratch new vents and exhausts. After spending a little time thinking about how I was gonna recreate vent doors, I decided to use some aluminum from a soda can. First, I used a strip of styrene to recreate the missing fuse detail…

 

...then measured out some strips of aluminum. I don’t have a PE brake for bending stuff, so I had to experiment. I basically ended up using two razor blades to make the bends. After some fiddling and trimming, the new vents fit pretty well. No, neither perfect nor completely accurate, but better than a couple of gaping holes in the fuselage’s sides.

 

I'm not totally happy with this first attempt at the vents, so I think I'm gonna give 'em another go and see if I can come up with something better.

 

Moving away from the airframe, I decided to spend some time working on the one-piece engine assembly.  I tried to add some wiring and ducting to the engine. (Again, not totally accurate but better.)

 

I have a build that's stalled in a Mustang GB at the NMF stage, so I figure I can use both the Mustang and this Jug to gain a little more NMF experience.  Hey, if I get a decent looking kit out of it, well, all the better!  Hopefully I can get this thing ready for paint soon since I need to finish the Mustang by year’s end, and I can get them both done together.


Anyway, thanks for letting me join the GB and thanks for looking.  Feel free to drop your two cents in the bucket on the way out.  I appreciate your feedback.


Cheers!
-O

 

(Edited for broken picture links.)

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by Centhot on Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:12 AM

Yes thanks

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:02 AM

satch - want me to put you down for that fine score?

Centhot - want me to add your Otaki?

Getting ready to crack into the Trumpy Wildcat probably tonight, but man, I'm SO tempted to set it aside to play with some Jugs.

Also - haven't had a chance to put together a GB badge...hard to get in P-shop time with two kids who are attracted to an open laptop the way a dog is to bacon. Still hoping to get to it, but if anybody else wants to take a crack, feel free...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:47 AM

oortiz10

 

So...
I’m over at The Fossils’ (my parents’) house over the weekend, and I’m helping them put the Christmas lights up on the house I grew up in.  While I was digging around in their garage for the decorations, I come across a small, sealed, unmarked cardboard box and instantly recognize the sound of loose styrene rattling around inside.  I open it up, and am surprised and confused by what I find inside. 
I find an old Monogram P-47D. 
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/oortiz10/DSC07660.jpg
I have no idea where it came from or how it got into their garage.  
I know Doogs' rule say that a build like this is too far along for this GB, but I'm wondering if there might be an exception made for a garage dwelling Monogram mystery Jug?
Cheers,
-O

 

Dude! You're definitely in! I can't turn down the early 90s boxing of the Monogram Jug! 

Seriously, it might be among my favorite kits of all time. I built it when I was a kid, loved it, and it's one of the few kits from my childhood that still survives:

When I got back into modeling last year, one of my first actions was to track down the kit on eBay. Had fun building it, could have painted it better (and did the next time around with the Tamiya kit)...but the decals completely ruined the proceedings:

I guess moral of the story? Buy some aftermarket decals! And welcome to the GB!

 

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:58 AM

I've always liked the Arii/Otaki kits. I'll agree that maybe they're not quite as nice as newer Tamiygawa kits but I've always had good luck with them.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Centhot on Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:25 AM

Thanks Satch!

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Posted by satch_ip on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:36 PM

The Otaki Jug is a fine kit.  Not as detailed in the pit area as a Tamigawa kit but certainly serviceable.  I built one for the 8th AF GB last year.  Nice platform to ad some aftermarket goodies.

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Posted by Centhot on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:02 PM

Although I'm in with the Hawk 1/48 P-47, I've also an old Otaki one too.  Is this old kit any cop?  Bought it cheap at some show a while back.  Looks like a simple build (which often means that not many parts, but the few only fit where they chose to).

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Posted by Bockscar on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:10 PM

First O and now Satch,

I'm lookin' fer Jugs

in all the wrong places!

 

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Posted by satch_ip on Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:36 AM

Got my Tamiya Razorback last night for $23.  It was a consignment sale at my LHS.  What a bargain!  What a Country!

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Posted by Bockscar on Friday, December 9, 2011 6:30 PM

DoogsATX

 

 Bockscar:

 

 

 VanceCrozier:

 

 

 Gamera:

 

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

 

 

...yes...

 

I recall Doogs mentioning a Twin-P-47 on another thread, danged if I can find it. (Favorite twin engine WWII Aircraft, or something like that?)

 

I figure it would sorta' look like half a B-29.Wink

I fell  in love with the p-47 rather late in life, I heard a pilot on MC (Gun Camera?) talking about those 8 .50Cal, and how the huge plane would bring it's owner home inspite of massive battle damage.

Yeah, the P-47 proved that bigger really was better, at least when it comes to Jugs.Indifferent

I'm wondering what the rear stabilizer should look like, a lot of weight up front to balance.

I dunno, like the P-38, or P-61?

 

 

I've seen a few design what-ifs out there...some look rather like the F-82 (which, IMO, is hideous and retarded). 

The coolest design I saw...and of course now I can't find it again to save my life...employed a single-fuselage design a la the Mossie or F7F Tigercat (which packed two R-2800s, don't forget). Fuselage was standard P-47 from the windscreen aft, but up front tapered like a P-38 or Me 262 and bristled with guns. Not sure how packing in the turbo-supercharger was handled, but it's probably the coolest WWII what-if I've ever seen.

That sounds pretty cool alright. The TigerCat is one super looking plane. Grumman had some great designs, I can see Republic putting another 8 .50Cals on board a bird like that, imagine 16 .5Cals all aimed in the same general direction, that 'ld make a fella duck! Or turn his day into hamburger.

Here's the funny ironic thing, if it were'nt for the deep dip in the fusleage due to the extra equipment, the P-47 would have an incredibly sleek design. The turbo-supercharger would probably continue to make make it look like the Jug profile, sorta like the B-29 engines.

Oh well, no hideous and retarded aircraft should denigrate this thread, a pair o' Jugs is a terrible thing to waste!

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Posted by oortiz10 on Friday, December 9, 2011 2:03 PM

Gamera
Hey O, how have you been, I haven't seen you since the old F-4 over a year ago. Looks like a pretty cool kit there.

Hey Gamera,

Good to "see" you too.  Yeah, haven't run across you much since that first F-4 GB.  I didn't get a chance to finishing my entries for the go-around.  I'll bust 'em out for the next round.

Anyway, this is about Jugs, not Phantoms.  Hopefully Doogs is cool with me entering the P-47 I found.  Nothing like a GB to keep me on task!

See ya around!

-O

 

 

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 9, 2011 11:42 AM

Hey O, how have you been, I haven't seen you since the old F-4 over a year ago. Looks like a pretty cool kit there.

Doogs: Now that sounds like one heck of a plane!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, December 9, 2011 10:55 AM

Bockscar

 

 VanceCrozier:

 

 

 Gamera:

 

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

 

 

...yes...

 

I recall Doogs mentioning a Twin-P-47 on another thread, danged if I can find it. (Favorite twin engine WWII Aircraft, or something like that?)

 

I figure it would sorta' look like half a B-29.Wink

I fell  in love with the p-47 rather late in life, I heard a pilot on MC (Gun Camera?) talking about those 8 .50Cal, and how the huge plane would bring it's owner home inspite of massive battle damage.

Yeah, the P-47 proved that bigger really was better, at least when it comes to Jugs.Indifferent

I'm wondering what the rear stabilizer should look like, a lot of weight up front to balance.

I dunno, like the P-38, or P-61?

I've seen a few design what-ifs out there...some look rather like the F-82 (which, IMO, is hideous and retarded). 

The coolest design I saw...and of course now I can't find it again to save my life...employed a single-fuselage design a la the Mossie or F7F Tigercat (which packed two R-2800s, don't forget). Fuselage was standard P-47 from the windscreen aft, but up front tapered like a P-38 or Me 262 and bristled with guns. Not sure how packing in the turbo-supercharger was handled, but it's probably the coolest WWII what-if I've ever seen.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by oortiz10 on Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:56 PM

So...

I’m over at The Fossils’ (my parents’) house over the weekend, and I’m helping them put the Christmas lights up on the house I grew up in.  While I was digging around in their garage for the decorations, I come across a small, sealed, unmarked cardboard box and instantly recognize the sound of loose styrene rattling around inside.  I open it up, and am surprised and confused by what I find inside. 

 

I find an old Monogram P-47D. 

 

 

I have no idea where it came from or how it got into their garage.  

I know Doogs' rule say that a build like this is too far along for this GB, but I'm wondering if there might be an exception made for a garage dwelling Monogram mystery Jug?

Cheers,

-O

 

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:25 PM

VanceCrozier

 

 Gamera:

 

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

 

 

...yes...

I recall Doogs mentioning a Twin-P-47 on another thread, danged if I can find it. (Favorite twin engine WWII Aircraft, or something like that?)

I figure it would sorta' look like half a B-29.Wink

I fell  in love with the p-47 rather late in life, I heard a pilot on MC (Gun Camera?) talking about those 8 .50Cal, and how the huge plane would bring it's owner home inspite of massive battle damage.

Yeah, the P-47 proved that bigger really was better, at least when it comes to Jugs.Indifferent

I'm wondering what the rear stabilizer should look like, a lot of weight up front to balance.

I dunno, like the P-38, or P-61?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, December 8, 2011 1:11 PM

Gamera

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

...yes...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by knox on Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:12 PM

Beautiful mental picture-------- planes, of course!  Doogs, I would like to join in if possible.  Tam. P47D and Promodeler P47N.  Camera is kaput, but hope to get new one soon.  I hope to be in a figure group build, but I always have to have at least one plane build going.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:26 AM

Bockscar: I like how you think!

If you used two P-47D though would it make a double-D Jugs? 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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