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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, June 18, 2012 9:08 AM

blkhwkmatt - so you are doing the overall camo first, then the metallic areas right? I'm considering doing the reverse. What paints are you using? I was going to suggest that your Super Flanker wouldn't be all that worn yet, but if you are going for hypothetical markings anyway - have fun with the weathering opportunity.

bsyamato - post a link to that Russian forum when you get a chance, never too many resources.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by bsyamato on Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:48 PM

"Oh Lord of the camo!!"

this is the motivation that keep me away from these type of camo LOL

excellent masking work and paint blkhwkmatt Toast

 

Asap i want to start the su-34 , during search for references i found this russian forum, ciclyng throught the pages for toooons of pictures about the 34 Smile

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, June 15, 2012 10:51 PM

If I remember, the last time that I built a Flanker, I painted in that exact order.  this time, however, I have chosen to go the opposite way.  Here are some more pictures of what I have been working on up to this point.  I first pre-shaded all the major panel lines with black, not too heavy but enough that I thought would work. 

In this picture you can see the pre-shading along with my first attempt as masking for the splinter camo.

More of the pre-shading of the panel lines

Last picture of the pre-shading, at this point I looked at the masking and determined that my method wasn't going to work.

So off came all the masking tape and on went the lighter of the upper camo colors

After that, i enlarged the painting guide in the instructions, and then cut frisket film to mask off the light areas, this was perfect for providing that sharp line required.

When I started to remove the film, some of the lighter shade came up.  I cannot decide between remasking and re applying the lighter color, brushing the color into the lifted areas, or using a shade of a metalizer paint and making it look worn and abused.

I am planning on using hypothetical markings for this build as the decals from Zvezda are less than desireable.  With this thought in mind, I am leaning towards just making it look weathered and abused.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Oh and thanks for looking.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:02 PM

I resemble that remark, sir!Stick out tongue

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:34 AM

Dre

I'm thinking that you're on the right track- do the engine panels first, then mask them off and attach the fins and do the needful fixes there and shoot the camo lastly.  

Luckily, it ought to be much later in the year before I start exterior painting, so I'll let you guys figure out the game plan first!Smile

 

lol - "Captain Wait'n'see" huh!!! I suppose as long as I take it slowly it won't be any big deal to bring the airbrush to bear on the insides of the fins. Applying the tape for the masking may be a little awkward though.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:02 AM

I'm thinking that you're on the right track- do the engine panels first, then mask them off and attach the fins and do the needful fixes there and shoot the camo lastly.  

Luckily, it ought to be much later in the year before I start exterior painting, so I'll let you guys figure out the game plan first!Smile

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:16 AM

The root seams - that's the trouble spot, yes. The fins don't seem to "click right in" for sure. Nothing wrong with the fit, but it will need to be glued to keep proper alignment. If I decide to go with enamels, some touchups aren't such a big deal. But if I end up mixing my Tamiya acrylics, man I hate brush-painting those things. Yes, I think the metallics have to be done first & masked off for sure, especially if I'm trying some heat burn/colour modulation stuff.

Maybe I don't have to decide... I could attach one fin, leave one off, that way I have room to get at both, and I'm only taking half the risk of gluing something on after painting... Hmm

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:08 AM

Leaving the fins off for painting... while that's a tempting solution for painting, what about the root seams?

On the 1/32 birds there's just enough space between them to get in there to use an AB.

What you ought to be thinking of is leaving the fins off until you can get in there and fully paint and mask the metallics that you'll need for the engine panels....  it'll be really hard to mask that area with the fins installed.   The underside fins might interfere with the lower engine panel painting as well.

If we could get Kaiyudsai to offer some input on how he dealt with these issues?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, June 11, 2012 11:10 AM

Dre

Nice!   Keep it cranking.   I've been MIA here as I work on a Frogfoot...

Yeah, now that the wings are on I can almost smell the paint! Wink Now the last time I built something with twin tailfins was probably an F15 in 1/48 20 years ago. By hand. With whatever gray I could find iirc. Something I've seen mentioned several times reacently is to leave the fins off & paint them seperately, especially with a multi-colour camo pattern. Not sure of these will drop into the slots perfectly though. Thoughts??

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Monday, June 11, 2012 8:38 AM

Nice!   Keep it cranking.   I've been MIA here as I work on a Frogfoot...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, June 11, 2012 8:27 AM

The -34 has a really nice cockpit, I've already started that. I'm running a Soviet cockpit assembly line right now!! The -34 looks to be very similar tooling to the single-seaters from Italeri, so I wanted to assemble one of those first (as I have 3 of them) before I move on to the "big kit".

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by bsyamato on Monday, June 11, 2012 8:19 AM

Nice start Vance. I'm near to finish mi reggiane ,so i think is time to put the 34 out of the box and contacting nip & tuc for some surgery!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, June 11, 2012 7:38 AM

Last post = June 2?!?!?!?! Gotta fix that!

Well I seem to remember promising Saab work over the weekend, but I ended up working on the Flanker...

Cockpit sealed in, will add the stick & bangseat later. That spot at the rear needs a little wash still.

A little putty needed along the nose joins... Not looking forward to fixing the raised panel lines in that spot. They are soooo fine though that I could probably get away with drawing them in afterwards.

WINGS!!! A little too much of a gap at that joint, next time I'll spend some more time & sand down the stubs they mount to the fuselage with.

Love that shape!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Saturday, June 2, 2012 6:00 PM

Utoshita, I'll always recommend a Su-27UB C two-seater, it's the most graceful of the series IMO.

What kit is up to you- what scale do you prefer?   The Trumpeter 1/32 kits are awesome in size, inaccurate in some significant details and the only Flankers available in that scale.   The Academy 1/48 looks to be a great kit- Kaiyudsai did a fantastic Ukrainian bird.   There's a few 1/72 to choose from, it depends on what's available.

It's a popular subject, there's a lot to choose from with a good amount of AM too.

 

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Posted by Utoshita on Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:43 AM

Hi Dre,
I have been following this with great interest, The Su-27 is such a beautiful aircraft a you guys are doing her justice in your builds :)
I would like to join but atm I have no kit? What is your recomendation?

Kind Regards
Utoshita

Deliriant isti Hominem!

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:35 AM

Well, that answers that question!   Good find, Utoshita- care to join us?Smile

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Posted by Utoshita on Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:29 AM

Not 100% sure but I think the underside of the wing is horizontal to the ground with no drop.



BTW - I changed the post heading :)

Kind Regards
Utoshita

 

Deliriant isti Hominem!

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:49 PM

hey, lets not change the post headings, kay? I get notifications for "final reveal" or "question" and I have no idea what thread I subscribed to.

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Now that I'm here, where am I??

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:46 PM

Johan, I can't give you a factually correct answer to your question, but some wing curvature seems to be normal- at least it is on the 1/32 Trumpeter kits as well.

I guess that as long as it is equal on both sides, then it ought to be OK...

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Posted by JohanT on Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:38 PM

Guys,
Question for you;
Would you know how much wing drop one can expect on the Sukhoi?
I am doing the Su-27 myself, Eduards (Academy) 1:48 and the wings are hanging as if they where following a smooth curve downwards.
I was expecting them to be fairly straight and even straight to the ground (front view).  

 

blkhwkmatt

That is looking mighty good :)

Very Best Regards
Johan



 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, May 25, 2012 11:36 AM

VanceCrozier

blkhwkmatt - wow, shaping up quickly! Raised lines - I was under the impression that the Zvezda kits were relatively new tooling? My Italeri kits are also raised panel lines, but if I don't require any major putty work I plan on keeping them that way. Not sure I have the patience to re-scribe anything! The leading edge extensions for the little forward winglets look proper though, something my Italeri kits are lacking.

Vance - the kit is very rough, has pretty much battled with me the whole way so far.  I have had to sand, fit, re-sand, fit, glue and fill almost everything.  Still have some more putty work to do, but am also figuring out how to position the horizontal stabs to cover a canyon of a seam. 

the LEX's are pretty close to what they are supposed to look like, and that is a huge bonus, so the shape will be close overall.  I will not be hanging any missles as they are very crude, the fins as thick as every other piece of plastic on the kit.

 

 

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, May 25, 2012 10:32 AM

bsyamato

... (i hope your wife don't read the forum Whisper )

She has no idea who I hang out with online!!! Devil Pirate Stick out tongue

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Friday, May 25, 2012 10:25 AM

Blkhwkmatt- that looks good so far!   There's not much detail to add to the intakes other than than the FOD screens and a little wiring in the wells ought to do it, if that's the sort of thing you were planning on adding.   

You've made as much progress on yours as I have on mine, maybe even more..Smile

Bsyamato..  a missing Ficus is hard to explain...  I'd love to hear that conversation!

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Posted by bsyamato on Friday, May 25, 2012 8:20 AM

this is a way, another is to remove ornamental plants (a ficus = 30 1/72 ww2 fighters) and some other unnecessary ornament (i hope your wife don't read the forum Whisper )

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, May 25, 2012 7:22 AM

blkhwkmatt - wow, shaping up quickly! Raised lines - I was under the impression that the Zvezda kits were relatively new tooling? My Italeri kits are also raised panel lines, but if I don't require any major putty work I plan on keeping them that way. Not sure I have the patience to re-scribe anything! The leading edge extensions for the little forward winglets look proper though, something my Italeri kits are lacking.

Looking good, hopefully I'll be dropping my cockpit in & sealing her up this weekend.

bsyamato - ahhh display space. If only I could find a way to remove her clothes/shoes from the extra closet?!?! Whistling

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by bsyamato on Friday, May 25, 2012 5:25 AM

VanceCrozier

 

 bsyamato:

 

 

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and going trhough my home where they can live after finished...

 

 

I don't think my wife would appreciate me decorating the entire house with aircraft!! Embarrassed

I don't have these problems again Whistling

After the test i see the only shelves where the four bombers could be placed are already used , so i will need new ones or move out the actual occupiers Embarrassed

Well done blkhwkmatt , i heard no good things about the zvezda flanker family but looking there the things seems not so bad and the kit looks like a perfect low cost base for extra details!!

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:18 PM

Well gents - as promised here are some WIP shots.  I have started the Zvesda 1/72nd Su-37.  I forgot to snap a pic of the cockpit, but really there isnt anything to see in there at all.

All in all the kit is not bad - just very basic and rough.  All the panel lines are raised and way too large for the scale.  There is no detail at all in the wheel wells or inlets.  The basic shape looks ok though, so I am ok with it.

On to the Pics: 

I didnt care for the "tabs" that were supposed to connect the wings to the fusalage, so I drilled two holes and ran a small brass rod all the way through.  Seems to be much more secure now, but in the process I attached the wings about 1mm too high and had to fill and sand quite a bit.  So I decided that all the panel lines needed to go, and I used the 1/72nd scale riveting tool to help re create the panel lines.  Next step will be to scribe some more of the lines.

After that I'll begin work on the wheel wells and the intakes, etc. 

Thanks for looking.

 

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:02 PM

bsyamato

 

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and going trhough my home where they can live after finished...

I don't think my wife would appreciate me decorating the entire house with aircraft!! Embarrassed

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by bsyamato on Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:26 PM

Good hanging pieces there Dre Cool i did a similar thing with my old hp victor , but after i but up my closet Embarrassed

not only the flanker is so huge Big Smile

this weekend want to try a general dry fit with all the four giants !!! and going trhough my home where they can live after finished...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:02 PM

bsyamato

just take a look at my shelves.... no space actually for four four engines planes fiinshed!! 

Ps the su-34 is longher than these.

It will be interesting to see one of my Flankers sitting beside the Grief....

(from wikipedia...)

  • Flanker length = 72'  span = 48'
  • Greif length = 72' 2"  span = 103'

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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