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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:30 PM

Well, the yellow came out good.  But...  Would you folks say that 72 hours is a long enough curing time for 2 coats of MM 1290 Chrome?  When I took off the masking tape, it had taken up some of the chrome from the top coat.  Now it's all uneven.  It wasn't cheap tape either, it was Tamyia masking tape.  I am going to have to sand it down to a uniform finish and re shoot the chrome.  I probably should have just brushed it yellow...  I'll let you know if I can salvage it.  I am not going to try the ELO again.  Not after last time.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:54 PM

Your having utterly no luck with the F-86's are you. Youll get there eventually though im sure.

Started practising some weathering techniques on my B-25 in preparation to put them on my corsair.

Id appreciate any pointers to improve.

starboard nacelle is done with paines grey with a coat of titanium white over top. port nacelle is just pains grey.

Thanks guys.

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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:55 PM

Rich;

The chrome looks like it is spray can? There seems to be over-spray on your bench.

What I noticed is that if the coats don't fully cure between spraying, then they won't adhere properly.

Problem is, on a dry winter's day, i.e. zero humidity, in a very warm room, like high 70's,

it is possible for a single coat of airbrushed enamel/Krylon to cure in 72 hours.

On a high humidity day, and if using a heavier coat, I'll give it upwards of a whole week.

I'm no paint chemist, but after the carrier solvent evaporates, the polymer needs time

to polymerize, that is, build long chains and criss-cross matrices of molecules. It will actually go through two thinning stages, the immediately noticeable one when the carrier solvent dries, and an less noticeable one while the resin polymerizes.

That curing can be dependent on a number of factors; humidity, temperature, the

volatility of the carrier, the concentration of the polymer because gloss coats with higher resin content take longer to cure than flat coats, or put another way, the solvent to resin ratio by weight or volume, the thickness of the coat, and curing time between coats, residue mold release.

Applying a second coat after the carrier dries but the resin has not cured is deadly.

Even if it has cured 90%, another coat can still cause the base coats to soften.

Sounds like, from a distance, that's what happened. Long answer, but Alclad primer I'll give a whole week any time of year, and about the same for spray can work.

I dunno, I once had a solvent from a slow drying heavy coat bleed out the sticky from the tape just a tiny bit for a fuzzy edge.

The only thing I can suggest is that because you are using a gloss chrome(???) is to hit the bastige with 1200 grit wet sand after it is cured to help with adhesion.

Dang, I get frustrated just hearing about stuff like that......

-Dom

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:09 PM

Yeh.  My compressor is having trouble maintaininng pressure and I can't find any leaks, so I used the spray chrome instead.  Grey primer coat x2 very light coats, then the two light coats of chrome.  There was over a day drying time between both coats and they felt bone dry when I masked.  The fine sandpaper is the plan.  If not, I am going to just go do the 1/32 kit I have in the mini stash, or something less likely to screw up...  I am getting really frustrated with these ESCI kits...

 

Bockscar

Rich;

The chrome looks like it is spray can? There seems to be over-spray on your bench.

What I noticed is that if the coats don't fully cure between spraying, then they won't adhere properly.

Problem is, on a dry winter's day, i.e. zero humidity, in a very warm room, like high 70's,

it is possible for a single coat of airbrushed enamel/Krylon to cure in 72 hours.

On a high humidity day, and if using a heavier coat, I'll give it upwards of a whole week.

I'm no paint chemist, but after the carrier solvent evaporates, the polymer needs time

to polymerize, that is, build long chains and criss-cross matrices of molecules. It will actually go through two thinning stages, the immediately noticeable one when the carrier solvent dries, and an less noticeable one while the resin polymerizes.

That curing can be dependent on a number of factors; humidity, temperature, the

volatility of the carrier, the concentration of the polymer because gloss coats with higher resin content take longer to cure than flat coats, or put another way, the solvent to resin ratio by weight or volume, the thickness of the coat, and curing time between coats, residue mold release.

Applying a second coat after the carrier dries but the resin has not cured is deadly.

Even if it has cured 90%, another coat can still cause the base coats to soften.

Sounds like, from a distance, that's what happened. Long answer, but Alclad primer I'll give a whole week any time of year, and about the same for spray can work.

I dunno, I once had a solvent from a slow drying heavy coat bleed out the sticky from the tape just a tiny bit for a fuzzy edge.

The only thing I can suggest is that because you are using a gloss chrome(???) is to hit the bastige with 1200 grit wet sand after it is cured to help with adhesion.

Dang, I get frustrated just hearing about stuff like that......

-Dom

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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:12 PM

Scorpiomikey

Your having utterly no luck with the F-86's are you. Youll get there eventually though im sure.

Started practising some weathering techniques on my B-25 in preparation to put them on my corsair.

Id appreciate any pointers to improve.

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad113/scorpiomikey/2012-05-16190840.jpg

starboard nacelle is done with paines grey with a coat of titanium white over top. port nacelle is just pains grey.

Thanks guys.

Mikey as a WIP that's looking pretty good. You've got the glass real clean, and that port nacelle real dirty, did the exhaust soot ever smoke up the outer tail assembly a bit on the Mitchell?

Probably because of the camera angle, the engine looks line it took one right through a cylinder or an oil line.

These birds definitely have oil leaks:

Port engine, wing-root side leak,  

and:

Definitely need some gaskets for that bird!!!!

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:09 AM

Sparrowhyperion

Well, the yellow came out good.  But...  Would you folks say that 72 hours is a long enough curing time for 2 coats of MM 1290 Chrome?  When I took off the masking tape, it had taken up some of the chrome from the top coat.  Now it's all uneven.  It wasn't cheap tape either, it was Tamyia masking tape.  I am going to have to sand it down to a uniform finish and re shoot the chrome.  I probably should have just brushed it yellow...  I'll let you know if I can salvage it.  I am not going to try the ELO again.  Not after last time.

Hi Rich,

Really sorry to hear about the misfortune with the paint lifting off.  I wish you the best of luck with fixing it.

SOMM (the other Ken)

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:11 AM

Scorpiomikey

Your having utterly no luck with the F-86's are you. Youll get there eventually though im sure.

Started practising some weathering techniques on my B-25 in preparation to put them on my corsair.

Id appreciate any pointers to improve.

 

starboard nacelle is done with paines grey with a coat of titanium white over top. port nacelle is just pains grey.

Thanks guys.

Hi Mikey,

That looks really nice!  Good job!  Yes  Yes

SOMM (the other Ken)

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:41 AM

Rich: ACK! Sorry to hear about your second painting disaster, I thought I knew Murpy's Law well. I hope you did some screaming and cursing at the model- it sure makes me feel better Angry.

Most of my job is chemisty but honest to god paint mystifies me, sometimes it sets right up, sometimes it stays half wet for days. As Dom said you've got a pile of different factors involved. I truly hope the third time is the charm for you. Tongue Tied  

Ken: Forgot to tell you thanks for posting the link to the new Aurora. Some very cool reissues there, I'm tempted to pick up the old Pogo kit and maybe one of the pirate figures.

Mike: I'm not sure where you're going there, are you aiming for exhaust staining? I can't really tell that much from the photos I'm afriad.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:25 PM

I havent entered the B-25, was just showing how the artist oils were laying down and to see if anyone had any tips on how to improve before i start smearing it over the corsair.

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Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:15 PM

Sparrowhyperion

Yeh.  My compressor is having trouble maintaininng pressure and I can't find any leaks, so I used the spray chrome instead.  Grey primer coat x2 very light coats, then the two light coats of chrome.  There was over a day drying time between both coats and they felt bone dry when I masked.  The fine sandpaper is the plan.  If not, I am going to just go do the 1/32 kit I have in the mini stash, or something less likely to screw up...  I am getting really frustrated with these ESCI kits...

 

 

 Bockscar:

 

Rich;

The chrome looks like it is spray can? There seems to be over-spray on your bench.

.............

Dang, I get frustrated just hearing about stuff like that......

-Dom

 

 

Rich, is that the Hasegawa 1/32 F-86...if it is, it has a few lower fuselage fit issues.

I have a template I used to cut some soda can aluminum out to fix the problem.

-Dom

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:20 PM

Yeh, it's the Hasegawa 1/32 JASDF kit.  How bad are the fit issues?

Rich

 

Bockscar

 

 

Rich, is that the Hasegawa 1/32 F-86...if it is, it has a few lower fuselage fit issues.

 

I have a template I used to cut some soda can aluminum out to fix the problem.

-Dom

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Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:54 PM

On my kit, which is superbly molded, when you try to attach the fore fuselage to the aft tail section, the underside of the tail cross section is about 1/32 too short, i.e. the top mates okay, but the bottom leaves a tiny step.

The easiest repair is, yes, putty, but that assumes you do not want to display the engine and are gluing the sections together. I cut a kind of semi circle that when curved kills the step and blend with the tail section underside.

Let me know when you get there, your kit may be okay, I'ld be curious to know if it is just this kit I have owning the problem.

By the way, the engine itself is a great start for a super detail project. i saw one years ago, beside an Orenda engine, the J-79 is the momma bear in the trio.

Dom

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:57 PM

LoL.  You just gave me an excuse to open her up..  I'll let you know when I get to that stage.  I think they have a J79 on display at Dayton.  I'll have to take some pics this visit.

 

Bockscar

On my kit, which is superbly molded, when you try to attach the fore fuselage to the aft tail section, the underside of the tail cross section is about 1/32 too short, i.e. the top mates okay, but the bottom leaves a tiny step.

The easiest repair is, yes, putty, but that assumes you do not want to display the engine and are gluing the sections together. I cut a kind of semi circle that when curved kills the step and blend with the tail section underside.

Let me know when you get there, your kit may be okay, I'ld be curious to know if it is just this kit I have owning the problem.

By the way, the engine itself is a great start for a super detail project. i saw one years ago, beside an Orenda engine, the J-79 is the momma bear in the trio.

Dom

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On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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Posted by Bockscar on Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:19 PM

Rich;

If you have the CD Ken made, you've got some J-79 pics.......

can't have too many though......

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:39 PM

I don' think I got one.  I don't remember getting one at any rate.

 

Bockscar

Rich;

If you have the CD Ken made, you've got some J-79 pics.......

can't have too many though......

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:08 PM

Sparrowhyperion

I don' think I got one.  I don't remember getting one at any rate.

 

 Bockscar:

Rich;

If you have the CD Ken made, you've got some J-79 pics.......

can't have too many though......

 

I thought I gave everyone a CD.  If I did not, PM me your mailing address and I will mail you a copy.

SOMM (the other Ken)

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:35 PM

Hey guys, quick update, drove out the hobby shop this afternoon, picked up a bottle of USAAF OD green, sprayed the canopies, and am back in action. Put the wheels on tonight and the A-20 is on her feet, now if I can get the gear doors on without breaking anything, attach the canopies and guns I'll be done. Toast

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:45 PM

Way to go Gamms, I spent my day waiting in clinic lobbies for a realtives' benefit.

I was checking out of my hobby room and clipped an Aurora B-58 build onto the floor!

That is a Rich experience....

holy crap, hope I don't step on one of those J-79 intakes....

When I went to pick up the pile of stuff, the front nose of the big fuel pod drove itself into the heel of my right hand, ,,, nice gouge, blood..........and a new hole......like I needed that.....I smell iron......

MIL is on a slippery slope too.....she lives with us, and now is reduced to about a 10 foot living radius.....

dang.......any one got a violin?

 

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:00 PM

Eegads... And I thought I had an unlucky day.  Was that the Blue Box Big A B58? 

Admit it.  The increase in hobby room size is an ingenious ploy to chase off the MIL... lol

Rich

Bockscar

Way to go Gamms, I spent my day waiting in clinic lobbies for a realtives' benefit.

I was checking out of my hobby room and clipped an Aurora B-58 build onto the floor!

That is a Rich experience....

holy crap, hope I don't step on one of those J-79 intakes....

When I went to pick up the pile of stuff, the front nose of the big fuel pod drove itself into the heel of my right hand, ,,, nice gouge, blood..........and a new hole......like I needed that.....I smell iron......

MIL is on a slippery slope too.....she lives with us, and now is reduced to about a 10 foot living radius.....

dang.......any one got a violin?

 

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:16 PM

Gamera

Hey guys, quick update, drove out the hobby shop this afternoon, picked up a bottle of USAAF OD green, sprayed the canopies, and am back in action. Put the wheels on tonight and the A-20 is on her feet, now if I can get the gear doors on without breaking anything, attach the canopies and guns I'll be done. Toast

Good job Cliff, I look forward to seeing it!

SOMM (the other Ken)

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:18 PM

Way to go Gamms, I spent my day waiting in clinic lobbies for a realtives' benefit.

I was checking out of my hobby room and clipped an Aurora B-58 build onto the floor!

That is a Rich experience....

holy crap, hope I don't step on one of those J-79 intakes....

When I went to pick up the pile of stuff, the front nose of the big fuel pod drove itself into the heel of my right hand, ,,, nice gouge, blood..........and a new hole......like I needed that.....I smell iron......

MIL is on a slippery slope too.....she lives with us, and now is reduced to about a 10 foot living radius.....

dang.......any one got a violin?

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:19 PM

Bockscar

Way to go Gamms, I spent my day waiting in clinic lobbies for a realtives' benefit.

I was checking out of my hobby room and clipped an Aurora B-58 build onto the floor!

That is a Rich experience....

holy crap, hope I don't step on one of those J-79 intakes....

When I went to pick up the pile of stuff, the front nose of the big fuel pod drove itself into the heel of my right hand, ,,, nice gouge, blood..........and a new hole......like I needed that.....I smell iron......

MIL is on a slippery slope too.....she lives with us, and now is reduced to about a 10 foot living radius.....

dang.......any one got a violin?

 

Dom, I am so sorry to hear that. Sad  I hope you had some pictures of it before it crashed.

SOMM (the other Ken)

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:27 PM

Dom, ouch, sorry to hear that! I've been grousing about being single but I don't really have anything to complain about! The weather was so nice I took the top off the car, had a nice drive, visited one of the modelers in our club, poked around the hobby shop and two used book stores, ate some excellent Chinese food, come home and worked on the Havoc. Only thing I have to complain about is just wasted a pile of money on some rare kits my friend was dumping from his collection including a 1/35th WWII Japanese 90mm artillery gun, tractor, and crew. I should count myself lucky, I hope things get better Dom.

Ken: Thanks, as I said I'd have thrown up some photos but I'm so close to the finish line now I think it's easier just to wait and post the finished photos.

Cliff

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:33 AM

VooDooKen:

thanks for the compliment, it was a dry fit and elastic band pre-build, wings supported by the box edges.

It was an old kit Rich helped, he sniped it out fer me......shisiiish....a man can't even flip a switch summons' gunna' punnisssh himmmm!!!!

Help me out guys, gonna put that stash Onnnna big pile' oh' TNT!

Well 'pologize for the drama,shiish, the gash is 3/16 of hard earned survival......

That complaint and $2 will get most folks a cup of coffee.

...yeah....mom is coming back from the other side to kiss it better.......lol......

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:19 AM

Bockscar

VooDooKen:

thanks for the compliment, it was a dry fit and elastic band pre-build, wings supported by the box edges.

It was an old kit Rich helped, he sniped it out fer me......shisiiish....a man can't even flip a switch summons' gunna' punnisssh himmmm!!!!

Help me out guys, gonna put that stash Onnnna big pile' oh' TNT!

Well 'pologize for the drama,shiish, the gash is 3/16 of hard earned survival......

That complaint and $2 will get most folks a cup of coffee.

...yeah....mom is coming back from the other side to kiss it better.......lol......

Dom, I am really sorry to hear that!  Man, how bad is it?

SOMM (the other Ken)

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:09 AM

Greetings everyone,

Eureka!  I finally got it!  As they say, the third time is the charm.  I started out with a much smaller diameter wire than what I wanted the final product to be and it came out right.  The paint and tape add a lot of thickness, more than I had originally anticipated.  In the following picture you can see starting from the top to the bottom the progress.  The top wire was the first attempt, second from the top the second attempt, and finally the bottom two the ones that are what are very close to 1/48 scale for the ejection handles.

 

SoMM (the other Ken)

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:13 PM

Ken:

You keep this up, the Airforce is going to send in a purchase order for the real deal......

I dunno, you are getting very good at this technology. Run a few yards of that, and have a life-time supply.

Great work and persistence.Yes

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:32 PM

So here's the OWY in photographs

WARNING: MAY BE TOO INTENSE FOR CHILDREN!

So I was resculpting the cabin of a vintage Aurora B-58, and it was sitting tacked and dry fitted on top of a stack of kits on my desk. I some how managed to flip the whole kaboodle onto the floor. The cabin of the Aurora kit is almost conopy like, it's just a bump, so i wanted to look more authentic, and I've been applying layers of thin ever-green strip to accomplish that:

So the kit pretty much exploded into individual pieces:

See the pod from a same-scale or there abouts Lindberg kit?

I was going to use it as a replacement for the Aurora supplied pod. The Aurora pod is over twice the diameter of the b-58's fuselage. Not sure why, but seeing as I was correcting the cabin, I bashed a Lindeberg kit for it's pod.........Da Da Da Danna..........

Ahhhh....we meet again........the end of that Lindberg pod was sticking almost straight up out of the box and I didn't see it, it went in deeper than the diameter of that cut mark......see how clean it sliced. My hand hurts more inside than outside if you have had a puncture wound.

Okay enough whining, that is nothing compared to my broken bone injuries, see that scar just a little North and right, the was the head of a finishing nail almost hit my wrist bone when I was a kid.....MOMMY!!!!!!!

....lol......

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:41 PM

Ouch man.. I mean ouchie..  Well...  At least it is repairable.  Now you have me wanting to crack mine open and do it.  Maybe next weekend.

 

Bockscar

So here's the OWY in photographs

WARNING: MAY BE TOO INTENSE FOR CHILDREN!

So I was resculpting the cabin of a vintage Aurora B-58, and it was sitting tacked and dry fitted on top of a stack of kits on my desk. I some how managed to flip the whole kaboodle onto the floor. The cabin of the Aurora kit is almost conopy like, it's just a bump, so i wanted to look more authentic, and I've been applying layers of thin ever-green strip to accomplish that:

http://cyberspaceage.com/images/549_IMG_8224.JPG

So the kit pretty much exploded into individual pieces:

http://cyberspaceage.com/images/549_IMG_8225.JPG

See the pod from a same-scale or there abouts Lindberg kit?

I was going to use it as a replacement for the Aurora supplied pod. The Aurora pod is over twice the diameter of the b-58's fuselage. Not sure why, but seeing as I was correcting the cabin, I bashed a Lindeberg kit for it's pod.........Da Da Da Danna..........

http://cyberspaceage.com/images/549_IMG_8227.JPG

Ahhhh....we meet again........the end of that Lindberg pod was sticking almost straight up out of the box and I didn't see it, it went in deeper than the diameter of that cut mark......see how clean it sliced. My hand hurts more inside than outside if you have had a puncture wound.

http://cyberspaceage.com/images/549_IMG_8226.JPG

Okay enough whining, that is nothing compared to my broken bone injuries, see that scar just a little North and right, the was the head of a finishing nail almost hit my wrist bone when I was a kid.....MOMMY!!!!!!!

....lol......

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:50 PM

Hi Dom,

Thanks for the compliments.

Real sorry to hear about your kit.  With your sculpting skills I am sure you will fix it good as new again.

SoMM (the other Ken)

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