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First Annual Berny Memorial Group Build

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:13 AM

Yeah the real thing must be wrong then lol!

I have to say I like the original WW2 look better. On the USS Wisconsin I wish there were funding to remove the Tomahawk missile launchers from her aft decks converting her back to her WW2 specs. Well I guess we're lucky to have anything - both the York and the Whisky could have ended up scrapped like the Enterprise.

One of the first ship kite I ever built was the first Yorktown. Painted her with the old square bottle Testors paints. Think I still have her around someplace.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:07 AM

I Hiryu,

I didn't follow the Yorktown's career after WWII. I didn't realize it had such a significant rebuild of the bow, and can't see the angled deck in those pics.

My Essex Class Yorktown doesn't have an angled deck either, that's because it's the WWII version, so no Grumman Panthers either, just Grumman Hellcats and Avengers.

i got my first aircraft carrier back in 1966, it was the original Yorktown Class Yorktown, no Panthers either.

Yeah, I got it along with a book on the Battle of Midway. That was a big read for an eight year old. The crew on the Yorktown extinguished the fire from the first attack so efficiently that the captain of the Nippon sub that targeted it thought it was a third carrier. That messed up their intelligence. Ironic.

I'll have to go and visit her, I love all those 60's era aircraft on her flight deck.

Dom

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:15 PM

Bockscar

I have both the original Yorktown Class Yorktown and the Essex class Yorktown, and they don't have that front end.....hmmmm

Well like Cliff said, they reworked her in 1955, so your version must be before that.

Ken

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:03 PM

I have both the original Yorktown Class Yorktown and the Essex class Yorktown, and they don't have that front end.....hmmmm

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:09 PM

Gamera

Oh the Yorktown class Yorktown was first Yorktown and sunk at the Battle of Midway. This was the second carrier. Her bow was beefed up and an angled deck added in 1955 to handle jets like the Grumman Panther. She  fought though Vietnam and was decommissioned in 1970.

Yes, this Yorktown is an Essex-class aircraft carrier.  While it was being built it was going to be named  Bon Homme Richard.  They changed the name when the first Yorktown was sunk.

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:04 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I chopped some more on the fuselage!  The Aires cockpit that I have already completed includes the front instrument panel that is molded into the fuselage shown here:

Ken 

 
Dang. that's gonna look good, Ken!  Keep up the good work!
 
Russ

 

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:42 PM

Oh the Yorktown class Yorktown was first Yorktown and sunk at the Battle of Midway. This was the second carrier. Her bow was beefed up and an angled deck added in 1955 to handle jets like the Grumman Panther. She  fought though Vietnam and was decommissioned in 1970.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:20 PM

If that is the second YorkTown, when did they modify the bow with the widened under-deck bulkheads?

My WWII YorkTown Class YorkTown has a much leaner front end, yeah, and so does my WWII Essex Class Yorktown.Angry

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:04 PM

Hi Everyone,

I chopped some more on the fuselage!  The Aires cockpit that I have already completed includes the front instrument panel that is molded into the fuselage shown here:

Here is the Aires part:

 

And here is the fuselage chopped:

Ken 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:58 PM

Gamera

Ken: yeah that Phantom is going to Phantastic!

Yeah I tromped around on all the ships. And yeah the USS Clamagore is still there, gosh you have to admire those sailers, the sub is like a big boiler filled with machinery. I'd heard they were cramped but gee whiz!

They have a ghost tour of Yorktown now, which was really nice. I was afraid it would be one of these silly haunted house things but was pretty cool story about the men who died on her and various weird events since then. Didn't see any ghosts but I did see a Phantom (F-4) that is!

Hi Cliff,

Thanks for the compliment!

I toured all three ships but on my own, I did not take a tour to hear any of the stories.  But I did go into every crevice of the Yorktown!  Can you still do that?

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:54 PM

Bockscar

Hey Ken, that is gonna' look fab man!!!

Dom

Thank you Dom!

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:26 PM

Ken: yeah that Phantom is going to Phantastic!

Yeah I tromped around on all the ships. And yeah the USS Clamagore is still there, gosh you have to admire those sailers, the sub is like a big boiler filled with machinery. I'd heard they were cramped but gee whiz!

They have a ghost tour of Yorktown now, which was really nice. I was afraid it would be one of these silly haunted house things but was pretty cool story about the men who died on her and various weird events since then. Didn't see any ghosts but I did see a Phantom (F-4) that is!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:52 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I mounted the boxes to the wing using tape to get an idea of how they are going to look:

Next on the agenda is to start cutting and fitting the fuselage for the Aires cockpit!

Ken

Ken;

Errr...I wouldn't be friend if I didn't mention something, not as a criticism or unsolicited advice, but with all the great resin detail you are putting into this build, have you considered resin wheel wells, or did I miss you discussing that already?

Dom

Hi Dom,

Thank you for mentioning that Dom!  I actually had that on my list of items to get for this build but forgot to make sure I had everything.  I just dug out everything I had and assumed I had already purchased it all.  Now I have to order it.  It would be silly to not update the wheel wells after doing the auxiliary air intakes!

Ken

Hey Ken, that is gonna' look fab man!!!

Dom

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:51 PM

Gamera

Dom: ouch! I think a cheap simple car repair is about as common as mermaids.

Yeah both the Yorktown and Laffy are open to tour. There's also the USS Clamagore a WW2 sub though updated to later Cold War specifications. She's open to touring too. There used to be a Coast Guard cutter but apparently she was moved elsewhere.

PT Barnum displayed the 'mermaid' for years as real. Funny as a modern person it's hard not to see a monkey sewed to a fish!

Well Cliff;

Your earlier words were as true as ever....YaHozzzzAH!...that stings....emphasis on the 'hozzzed' word....

Aaarffff,,,,an obvious fake today...yes...but PT Barnum's adage is as true now as ever.....

We just use 'modern' monkeys and fish these a' days....lol

an' dang....it still works.....lol...MicroSoft.....lol.......Super Angry

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:42 PM

Bockscar

What's a number bigger than 1300 and less than 1400?

My car repair bill!!!IndifferentIck!Dead

Wow Dom, that hurts!  I don't know what kind of car you are driving or how new it is, but man, that is enough to consider buying another car instead!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:40 PM

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I mounted the boxes to the wing using tape to get an idea of how they are going to look:

Next on the agenda is to start cutting and fitting the fuselage for the Aires cockpit!

Ken

Ken;

Errr...I wouldn't be friend if I didn't mention something, not as a criticism or unsolicited advice, but with all the great resin detail you are putting into this build, have you considered resin wheel wells, or did I miss you discussing that already?

Dom

Hi Dom,

Thank you for mentioning that Dom!  I actually had that on my list of items to get for this build but forgot to make sure I had everything.  I just dug out everything I had and assumed I had already purchased it all.  Now I have to order it.  It would be silly to not update the wheel wells after doing the auxiliary air intakes!

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:32 PM

Gamera

Hello Mike, if it's ok I'm going to call you MikeM to separate you from ScorpyMike. Welcome!!!

BTW: Beautiful sunny pre-hurricane Florida:

On the way down stopped to see the second USS Yorktown:

And the second USN destroyer USS Laffy - who was slammed by seven kamikazes, two bombs and yet refused to die:

Both are moored at Patriot's Point, SC

And if I may yesterday I saw the infamous 'Fiji Mermaid'!

Very cool Cliff!  I visited that very same place 10 years ago!  Is the submarine Clamagore still there?  I have a bunch of pictures I took when I was there, but none at night.  Did you go on board and tour them?

Ken

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:29 PM

Dom: ouch! I think a cheap simple car repair is about as common as mermaids.

Yeah both the Yorktown and Laffy are open to tour. There's also the USS Clamagore a WW2 sub though updated to later Cold War specifications. She's open to touring too. There used to be a Coast Guard cutter but apparently she was moved elsewhere.

PT Barnum displayed the 'mermaid' for years as real. Funny as a modern person it's hard not to see a monkey sewed to a fish!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:04 PM

What's a number bigger than 1300 and less than 1400?

My car repair bill!!!IndifferentIck!Dead

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  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:58 PM

Gamera

Hello Mike, if it's ok I'm going to call you MikeM to separate you from ScorpyMike. Welcome!!!

BTW: Beautiful sunny pre-hurricane Florida:

On the way down stopped to see the second USS Yorktown:

And the second USN destroyer USS Laffy - who was slammed by seven kamikazes, two bombs and yet refused to die:

Both are moored at Patriot's Point, SC

And if I may yesterday I saw the infamous 'Fiji Mermaid'!

Cliff, that's a great collection of Navy hardware, did you have a chance to get on board?

That is weird, seeing a monkey mermaid on straw. I think I saw a three headed calf once, lying in a bed of sea-weed....Smile

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:46 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I mounted the boxes to the wing using tape to get an idea of how they are going to look:

Next on the agenda is to start cutting and fitting the fuselage for the Aires cockpit!

Ken

Ken;

Errr...I wouldn't be friend if I didn't mention something, not as a criticism or unsolicited advice, but with all the great resin detail you are putting into this build, have you considered resin wheel wells, or did I miss you discussing that already?

Dom

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:06 PM

Hello Mike, if it's ok I'm going to call you MikeM to separate you from ScorpyMike. Welcome!!!

BTW: Beautiful sunny pre-hurricane Florida:

On the way down stopped to see the second USS Yorktown:

And the second USN destroyer USS Laffy - who was slammed by seven kamikazes, two bombs and yet refused to die:

Both are moored at Patriot's Point, SC

And if I may yesterday I saw the infamous 'Fiji Mermaid'!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    February 2010
  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 4:40 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I have extended an invitation to another fellow model builder to join our build.  His name is Mike and is user name is "mikeymize".  Here is a link to his profile:

http://cs.finescale.com/members/mikeymize/default.aspx 

He has had experience in the USAF working on the C-5 Galaxy!  He said he would join us soon, probably with a MiG-17 that he is building on another group build.

Ken

Welcome on board Mike!!!Welcome Sign

I just pulled in a Trumpi 1/32 MiG-17,

I'm thinking of doing it up in North Vietnamese regalia.

Dom

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, October 27, 2012 2:29 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Thanks for the tip Russ, I am going to go back through my email and sort all of your tips and information and put them together so that when I get to building my B-52D I will have it all in one place to reference.

Ken

 
You're welcome, Ken. Good idea about collecting the emails and posts -  I'm going to do that for your's and other's tips on the F-4 and any other Vietnam era plane I plan to build.
 
Russ

 

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 1:36 PM

Hi Everyone,

After measuring the opening in the wings for the auxiliary air intakes I realized that they were already the correct size.  So that meant I needed to move the boxes inboard.  That meant more cutting on the fuselage.  Since there wasn't very much remaining between the hole already cut and the edge, I simply removed the small strip all together:

 

I also cut out a squared area in the inside of the wing where the boxes will mount so they will be flush:

 I mounted the boxes to the wing using tape to get an idea of how they are going to look:

Here is a picture looking at an angle that you would be more apt to see the auxiliary air intakes from once the doors are mounted:

 

Next on the agenda is to start cutting and fitting the fuselage for the Aires cockpit!

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:41 PM

Welcome, Mike! Glad to have you on board!

Russ

 

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:03 PM

Hi Everyone,

I have extended an invitation to another fellow model builder to join our build.  His name is Mike and is user name is "mikeymize".  Here is a link to his profile:

http://cs.finescale.com/members/mikeymize/default.aspx 

He has had experience in the USAF working on the C-5 Galaxy!  He said he would join us soon, probably with a MiG-17 that he is building on another group build.

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:11 AM

Striker8241

Dom, Ken,

I discovered that the easiest way to cut out the ailerons and keep them straight on the B-52 model is to cut from the bottom of the wing following the edges of the flaps. The aileron outline on the bottom seems to be more correct that those on top. There will be some ragged edges on the top wing, flaps and top of the aileron, but you can fill and sand these.

Cheers,

Russ

Thanks for the tip Russ, I am going to go back through my email and sort all of your tips and information and put them together so that when I get to building my B-52D I will have it all in one place to reference.

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:01 AM

Dom, Ken,

I discovered that the easiest way to cut out the ailerons and keep them straight on the B-52 model is to cut from the bottom of the wing following the edges of the flaps. The aileron outline on the bottom seems to be more correct that those on top. There will be some ragged edges on the top wing, flaps and top of the aileron, but you can fill and sand these.

Cheers,

Russ

 

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  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, October 27, 2012 1:27 AM

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I have the hole enlarged enough in the other fuselage for the auxiliary air intake to fit through.  

I will need to enlarge the original openings in the wing on the outboard sides so that the inside rail is showing like the other two parallel ones are.  I will also have to thin the plastic in the wing so there isn't a gap showing.

Ken

 
Great job, Ken!  Makes me want to work on mine, but I've got to finish this big beast first. First things first... Big Smile.
 
Russ
 
 

Thank you Russ!  I am the same way, I will only work on one project at a time.  Of course my project is no where near as big as yours!

Ken

Well guys,

I can't finish a project for a year or 5, so I have about 10 on the go, but F-4P' stands for P'riority right now.

4 years since I painted anything with the air-brush.

I refined the floor of the intake ducts again tonight, it's almost there. i still get the feeling that no matter how hard I try to get the paper template right, I'll end up wasting one for dry fit anyways....

I'm trying to figure the best way to seal the ducts smooth and paint the insides white.

Hmmmm.....2016.....nothing planned yet.....hmmmm....lol...

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