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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:48 AM

Wecome jugjunkie, glad you were reminded of the GB, welcome! I've never seen a set of Aeromaster decals before, those look sweet.

Doug, this build of yours has me drooling. Just looks great. One of the many things I notice in this picture set is how neat that unique spinner swirl looks against the rest of your exterior job.

Dumb newbie question: Is this considered winter camo???

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:56 AM

Hey Greg... Yes this is just one of the various types of winter camo. Usually (if I read and understood it correctly) the grouppe would mark their aircraft with ID colors such as Red, Blue, Yellow, white, black, and so on. For example, the craft I'm building is a member of 2/Stg2 Which was a Jabo (Fighter Bomber) Staffle, and its gruppe color was Red, hence the "Red 7" the red around the cowling and the red on the spinner. Such markings were (I believe) up to the Gp Commandant and varried widely. Also the camo patterns varried even more. I think JR had mentioned that the prop hub paint looked a bit off, and it is, But I did that on purpose, since one of the pictures of this craft I found while researching looked as if it were hand painted and I'm trying to be as accurate as I can in my builds. Also many (not all) Ground support aircraft had a black or white triangle either fore or aft of the aircraft number. The yellow (RLM Gelb) campaign band denotes the theater of operation for the Gruppe. This color shows this to be an Eastern Front aircraft (Hungary in perticular) Late Winter 1944/45.

Early in the war most all aircraft had yellow perhaps on the underside of the cowling, wingtips, tail and rudder, or all the above in any combonation.This was said to ID them to their own ground guns.

Hope that answers your question, The markings still confuse me and some times you just have to choose a skin or picture and go for it best as you can!

Doug

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Posted by jugjunkie on Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:36 PM

That Jabo is looking sooooo schweet Doug

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Posted by jugjunkie on Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:38 PM

Got the cockpit zipped up now...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:43 PM

Man I'll tell you Doug that paint just kills me. I'm getting alot better with my airbrush and one day hope to attempt a scheme like this. Whadda job!! Whadda job.

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:45 PM

Good progress on the aircraft jugjunkie!

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:54 PM

I'm going to use the Tamiya windscreen and the Eduard blown sliding canopy in the open position. Lots of good detail on the Eduard offering.

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:37 PM

JJ... Thank you and from us to South Africa...Welcome! Looking fwd to seeing more from you! So far so good...

Thanks Joe (M) I had an option on the canopys and it looked like my birdie wore the standard canopy. Blast it Joe... your making it too easy to have to do another! Still, I can never top Clemen's assy line! LOL... Cant wait to see them all come together at the same time! Ha!

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Posted by handiabled on Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:15 PM

Awesome looking builds Gents!

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:28 PM

Doug, if you posted those actual photos before and I missed them, sorry. Holy cow, my man, fantastic job recreating that scheme.

Thanks for the info and for taking the time to convey it. Terms like "Red 13" or whatever are still Greek to me, and your explanation is a great step for me to start to catch on to stuff.

Handi, looking great! Love your attention to detail and looking forward to watching you progress with it.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:30 PM

What I usually do to start my build starts well before I have the box on the bench. Usually I'm thinking of the next project as I'm nearing the end of the present one. Shoot, I have a 1/24 scale Fw190 I've been "pondering" on now for atleast 2 years! (grin) Just havent decided yet what to do with it.

So what I do is get an idea from a book, or maybe just search on the computer usually by typing in something like 3/jg26, or Luftwaffe Fw190 and look through the images that come up. From there I start to refine a single aircraft, staffle or some such thing, until I find what I want to try.

As I said, it gets a bit confusing but usually you can sort through the mess till you decide.

Doug

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:24 PM

Jugjunkie. Welcome abord.

Rigidrider.  That is some aaaaaawesome work!

Well now that the holiday is past I can get some bench time in.

I seen in one of the books I received for xmas there was a pic of a 190 in Africa I was going to ask if they flew there. It dosent seem that there's many pics of them in africa.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:12 PM

Black Dog... Yes they did... Not as numerous as the 109 but still they flew there, Try maybe checking Jg27, also try SG4 ...wasnt Africa but it was the Med.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:24 PM

I found it! ...There is a very good book titled Focke Wulf FW190 in North Africa by Andrew Arathy that gives a fair amoult of info on all types and variants of the FW190 service in Africa.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:10 PM

You know Doug I just knew you were gonna be the guy to help out!! LOL. You always know where to dig stuff up like that. Good goin !

                   

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Posted by Chanter on Friday, December 27, 2013 12:57 AM

That's a fantastic paint job Doug; what a beaut!

Allen

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 27, 2013 6:31 AM

Hey guys! I hope everybody here had a very Merry Christmas this year and got at least one model kit, model kit AM part/ kit or modeling tool they wanted/ needed! 

 Ok I started my Tamiya Fw190 D-9 about three months ago and stopped working on it due to the fact that I needed to finish my Monogram SBD Dauntless up from last year and I took a small break this month for the holidays. So with that I will re cap what I've already done to catch up and then I'll take off from that point on 2 January.

First off this is what I'll be working with. A 1/48 Tamiya Fw190 D-9 with a "double throw down" Aires update kit, CMK undercarraige set, Aeromaster decals and Master Models gun barrels. Also there will be ALOT  of help from my Eduard Royal Class kit in the areas of a total main landing gear replacment(this is due to the poor representation of the main landing gear in this kit), sliding canopy section and various PE parts that were in the Eduard box.

Here's where we start off from:

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, December 27, 2013 8:04 AM

Well... Thanks Joe, Sometimes it just takes me a minute or two to get my memory cells fired up and functional! (Thay say thats the first thing to go) Ha!

Thanks Allan, So far so good, I shoulf finish up this weekend, I hope.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, December 27, 2013 8:06 AM

By the way Joe, Thats a nice kit, and with the goodies you have to add to it will really be sweet!I think I have 1 left in stash, having built 1 already.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 27, 2013 8:29 AM

Almost forgot. I'll be building "Black 10" / W. Nr. 500618 that operated out of Celle airfield in May of 1945 with JG 26. It was surrendered at Flensburg and was selected for shipment back to the U.S. for evaluation but was left behind. I will be representing this airframe just before the surrender. The vertical bar applied to the fuselage designated it as part of III Gruppe of JG 26 but was crudely painted over when transferring to I Gruppe of JG 26 just before surrender. 

  It will be painted in the 75/82/83/76 color scheme with a yellow tail to signify that the aircraft belonged to a Staffel leader. The undersurfaces of the wing will be RLM 75 at the front half of the wing and bare metal for the back half of the wing with RLM 76 on the bottom of the ailerons.

 

                   

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Posted by Jester75 on Friday, December 27, 2013 8:35 AM

Even before reading your post, I looked at that sheet and thought to myself, I would build black 10. Kinda cool the way the green on the tail is painted around the gray bar. I have got to add a bare metal lower winged 190 to my collection.

Eric

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:24 AM

Jester75

Even before reading your post, I looked at that sheet and thought to myself, I would build black 10. Kinda cool the way the green on the tail is painted around the gray bar. I have got to add a bare metal lower winged 190 to my collection.

The paint job is an intimidating one for me but I'll be sure to post the progress pics here after catching up a bit. Check the PM bubba!

                   

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:28 AM

Sweet work going on here. Great camo lines Doug!

Mustang- Good to have you resuming your work here. Hold the canopy thoughts! I'd reccomend the Tamiya one for blown option. Its much better shaped than the Eduard one, which is too flat. What do you think?

 

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:30 AM

Nathan T
What do you think?

Too late! Already have it as the sacrificial masking device!! I'll be ok especially with the Eduard detail inside the canopy itself. I appreciate the heads up though good buddy.

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:58 AM

Here's where the fun all started with the fuselage halves in one piece.( notice the partially started cockpit piece in the background. We'll get back to that.)

Then I carved up the left side in anticipation for the engine display:

Then both sides for the engine and the vertical fin access panel to display the tail wheel "guts":(interior is coming along a little bit in this one and I cut the fire wall from the resin block)

                   

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Posted by Chanter on Friday, December 27, 2013 10:38 AM

Joe,

That is very cool!  How do you carve the sections, with a razor saw, or?  I thought I saw somewhere on the forum mention of using thread to cut out sections as well, but I have no clue as to how that works...

Allen

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 27, 2013 11:07 AM

I used a razor saw myself but Doug used thread on his. I've never used that but can see where that would have some advantages. After I used the razor saw to get the areas opened up I went back with files (round and square) to clean the cuts up and then sanded down the insides of the fuselage along the edges to make them scale thickness.

The vertical fin access cut out was made by drilling holes all around the perimeter of the existing panel and then playing dot to dot with a X-acto knife and again cleaning it all up with files.

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 27, 2013 11:14 AM

The cockpit was built up using some Eduard PE that I had in my Royal Class A-8 kit. I only used sections here and there. Seat belts are from the Eduard PE also.

Finishing photos of the cockpit. The lower one isn't that great of quality but it's what I've got at this point.

                   

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Posted by MontyMahendra on Friday, December 27, 2013 11:30 AM

Hi Folks - Reading all the great posts, reviews, comments, and seeing all the lovely pics and progresses makes me cringe, Yikes! Well, Here goes....

Duo Butcher Birds

Hope this is nothing too ambitious, but I decided to work on these two - wishing to get them done at the same time. The goal is to build a "straight build" and put more focus on the paint job.

No-Frills

Nothing fancy in my stash so two 1/72 scale models will be the focus. Despite trying to do a OOTB, there will be only just minor modifications: the addition of seat harness and downed flaps. 


Tamiya Fw190 A3 in 1/72 scale

Academy Fw190 A6/8 in 1/72 scale

Tags: 1/72 , Academy , Fw190 , Tamiya
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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, December 27, 2013 11:32 AM

Sweet Monty! Nice pit there Joe. PE gauges look right on.

 

 

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