SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

564938 views
5865 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:13 AM

Great job on the custom lower cowl, Doug. Is amazing to me the things that you guys don't let faze you, you just move forward.

Please keep up updated on the paint job. I'm quite interested in watching the steps involved as you more forward on this one.

The post office thing is odd.....

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:48 AM

Hit a little snag, looking for some tips/advice.

Decided to try the 'curl and bend' the PE seat belts prior to gluing method this time. The lap belts worked out great, I'm very happy with them. Not so much with the shoulder belts/harnesses so far.

Trying to secure them properly on the deck aft of the pilot's seat this time. Best way I can think to put this, I touch them, they move. More like look at them, they move. Figure no matter what I do, going to end up with a glob of adhesive (be it CA or white acrylic glue (Gator's Grip) at the aforementioned attachment point, if I can ever get them to stay where I want them.

Open to ideas/suggestions, TIA!

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:50 AM

Hey Greg. I'm having some of the same issues with mine and resorted to gel super glue which appears to be holding a little stronger than the thinned out stuff that runs all over the place. I wont say thats the fix but right now its working for me bud, Joe

                   

 Forum | Modelers Social Club Forum (proboards.com) 

  • Member since
    September 2013
Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:53 AM

Hello all.

I'm still here haven't had much time on the bench but have bi trying to look in on group a's much as. Times allow.  I see the gb is still growing.

if all hos well I should be building by the weekend and have some pics to throw up.

Greg. Did yoh take on a Edward. ?

Rigirider. Looking good wich kit is that.  ?

  • Member since
    August 2009
  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:24 AM

Mornin' Greg, I'll echo what Joe advised concerning the gel. First, the gel doesn't run all over the place. Second, the gel has a little bit of time before it sets thus, giving you a bit of time to adjust the part. Something else you might consider is some CA accelerator to instantly set the glue and part.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

  • Member since
    April 2013
Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:17 AM

I agree with all the others on the gel tip. The best seatbelts in any scale are HGW's fabric seatbelts however (in my opinion at least). They are very fiddly (only the 1/48 ones), but surprisingly easy to build. You can either buy them in sets for 2 planes or only for one plane and pre-cut.

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:06 PM

Black Dog, the currant one is a Revelle/Monogram pro modeler Fw190G2/3

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

  • Member since
    July 2011
  • From: minnesota
Posted by handiabled on Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:04 PM

Box has arrived ,,not sure when it will get cracked open but soon....

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:21 PM

Well alrighty then!!! Can't wait to see the build handi!!!

                   

 Forum | Modelers Social Club Forum (proboards.com) 

  • Member since
    August 2009
  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:24 PM

Oh Man handi, That there is going to be a thrill to watch you build. Bring it on!

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

  • Member since
    December 2006
  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:55 PM

You have my attention handi...

Eric

 

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:24 PM

NICE....

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

  • Member since
    July 2011
  • From: minnesota
Posted by handiabled on Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:53 PM

Thanks All (especially the wife who gave the green light) ,,, hope to not let the group down and go over the top a little on this one  ,,, there sure are a BUNCH of great builds here!!

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:30 PM

Sweet goodies Handi. You going with the box scheme??

 

 

  • Member since
    July 2011
  • From: minnesota
Posted by handiabled on Friday, December 20, 2013 6:22 AM

Yeah Nathan ,, I think the oob scheme is what I want ..... either way I don't want to push the budget office for anything more for it....Whistling 

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Friday, December 20, 2013 8:21 AM

Sounds cool. I don't think too many D-9s played the Jabo roll. It'll be cool to see the bomb slung under her.

 

 

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, December 20, 2013 9:56 AM

Blackdog, good to hear from you. Yes, actually I was given my first Eduard kit as a gift from a friend (to entice me to take the Eduard plunge), ergo I find myself building my first Eduard kit! :)

Joe, Joe, Clemens, thanks for the wake-up call re the CA gel. I used it almost exclusively on my first PE job earlier this year, only to move away from it in favor of mostly Gator's grip this time around. I can see that it would work in this application, and assume I am just going to have to accept a slight blob at the attachment point. Will show the results, good or bad. :) I think my nerves are recovered enough to give it another go today. :)

Handi, whoa! You're Big Ed-ing the Hasegawa! I certainly agree, this one will be fun to watch for sure!

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 20, 2013 11:03 AM

handiabled

Box has arrived ,,not sure when it will get cracked open but soon....

 

 

Bustin' out the Big Ed! Hey ....gotta let the big dog eat!!!! Open er up handi!!!!!

                   

 Forum | Modelers Social Club Forum (proboards.com) 

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, December 20, 2013 8:31 PM

2 Joe's and Clemens,

Your advice about the gel CA worked great and the attachment points didn't end up the globby mess I'd anticipated. Thanks guys!

Been quiet here today, everyone must be out last minute shopping and stuff!

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, December 20, 2013 8:41 PM

Greg:Wow!! I say WOW!!

                   

 Forum | Modelers Social Club Forum (proboards.com) 

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: Bent River, IA
Posted by Reasoned on Friday, December 20, 2013 10:17 PM

mustang1989

Greg:Wow!! I say WOW!!

Ditto

Your best work yet.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

On the Tarmac: 1/48 Revell P-38

In the Hanger: A bunch of kits

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Friday, December 20, 2013 10:40 PM

Nice work Greg. Heck, you give a guy a little bit of advice here and there, next thing you know- He's building circles around you! Good quality work fellow LuftwaffianCool

 

 

  • Member since
    August 2009
  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, December 21, 2013 12:50 AM

Very sharp looking cockpit Greg. You have done an exquisite job.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

  • Member since
    July 2011
  • From: minnesota
Posted by handiabled on Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:03 AM

Very Nice Indeed! Cool

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:55 AM

Beautiful Work Greg!

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, December 21, 2013 9:10 AM

You gents are far too kind. Thank you for all the nice comments.

Getting closer to button up time, then my real Eduard break-in shall begin. :)

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:55 AM

Just make sure you plan in advance. I'll post two things here from the start of the forum that may help you out some. Hold up and I'll edit this to reflect:

Ok I'm back for the edit work! These are some tips that I got from Eduard and are great to have. Here we go...Part I

Construction Tips from Eduard

As a result of test-building several kits, Eduard has pointed out several areas requiring special attention during assembly. These include the following:

Check the position of the completed cockpit interior to the fuselage halves. Especially the back (upper) part of the cockpit tub must be aligned exactly with line on the fuselage halves. Also the weapon bay must be carefully positioned.

Another important point is the wing spar (part I16) installation. In this step (page 5 of the instructions), first glue part K20 into the wing, and then add part I16. This sequence will guarantee that the wing spar will be exactly vertical to the wing bottom. This is crucial for wheel well assembly and the whole wing geometry.

Another sensitive point is the engine mount installation. In this point, find the exact position of the part K18 on the reverse (inside of the fuselage) side of the part H12 (wheel well). K18 fits exactly to the notch in the H12. If you glue K18 carefully to the given position, the engine block will easily assume the correct position when it is glued to the engine mount.

The locating holes for the main wheels are quite large. This is because the wheel fits to the axle at an angle. Use the instruction picture (page 10) to determine the exact angle of the wheel to the undercarriage leg.

While we are talking about the undercarriage, when you will assembly the K7 (u/c leg) to the H1 (u/c cover), the location pins on the leg will give you exact position of the hatch (H1) to the leg. This is similar to the assembly of the u/c to the wing – glue the leg to the fine locating position in the wheel well, and immediately add J30/J37 to the position in the wheel well and on the u/c leg (there is a fine location pin on the leg which fits to the small hole on the end of the tow bar). It will give you exact position of the undercarriage to the wing. This is a different system compared to other manufacturers' kits, but it delivers surprisingly good result.

and part II (this deals with D-9s but partially pertains to the A-8s as well) This is really good for the Eduard D-9 builders out there:

And this ones from a member , screen name Benzdoc (aka Mike) . This IS dealing with the D-9.

 

Even though I’m not participating in this GB, I wanted to share my experiences with the Eduard 190 kits. I recently finished the A–8 model, and the fuselage / bulkhead / cockpit / wing fit was disastrous. In fact, I had shelved the model for a while out of disgust and depression about that. However, I’ve since started a D–9 (with a WIP post about it elsewhere), and had a lot better success in this area. Although everything forward of ammunition holders on the firewall is different, everything rearwards is the same.

There were two main errors I made:

A. Believing that the bulkhead parts are supposed to be 90° in relation to each other

B. Believing that the forward edges of the cockpit floor were good relative alignment points

So, on the first part, in the 190 D–9 manual, I found this:

8266362399_541c09181c_z.jpg

Why ever it wasn’t included in the A–8 manual, I’ll never know. But that made a huge different. OK, 3° isn’t a large amount, but given the engineering of this kit, that made a huge difference in my case.

Secondly, as was pointed out on the ARC site some time ago by a fellow whose name I can’t recall, it’s important to focus on the fuselage sides and firewall alignment and let the cockpit float. Only cement it in place later.

In my case, these two things made a massive difference.

I hope this helps just a little bit.

Best regards,

Mike

 

                   

 Forum | Modelers Social Club Forum (proboards.com) 

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, December 21, 2013 11:21 AM

That's some awesome info, thanks very much Joe! Perfect timing, too. Guess I missed it first time around.

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, December 21, 2013 1:04 PM

No problem Greg. I will say that the A-8 has the same firewall problem that the D-9 does so make sure the angles shown above are close during firewall assy.

                   

 Forum | Modelers Social Club Forum (proboards.com) 

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:08 PM

OK a bit more progress... Good Lord willing and my wifes desire to go to the F*****G Mall again is sated...I will begin the second stage of the paint. For now just alot of the fiddly stuff to show at this time.

Campaigh band painted...

getting the decals in place and Micro-set...

The langing gear doorrs with the lowers removed to try and keep mud and snow build up, and the bomb pilons.

and lastly for now the struts in place. 

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.