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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:57 PM

Bill - I am really liking what your doing there. You sure are making the most of that kit. Good stuff. I will make a plug here though to save you all that taping, SILLY PUTTY BABY!!!

On the HK B-17: Given that it has taken me nigh on 7 months to even get the paint on my 1/72 190 that 1/32 B-17 would take me the rest of my time on earth to build. Heck, I could just sell off my entire stash and not have to worry about what to build next.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: Minnesota City, Minnesota, U.S.A.
Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Friday, July 12, 2013 8:24 AM

Well, I wouldn't have used Silly Putty for any large masking needs (I just don't like it. Tape is easier.) But, I probably should have used it for the small, random shaped splotches. Hmmm, why the hell didn't I . . . . . ? Brain damage.

And about the B-17 .... Clemens, really? 1/32 scale B-17? Why are you consorting with the likes of us if you live in a mansion. That puppy would need it's own hangar

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, July 12, 2013 11:27 AM

FlyItLikeYouStoleIt

And about the B-17 .... Clemens, really? 1/32 scale B-17? Why are you consorting with the likes of us if you live in a mansion. That puppy would need it's own hangar

.....................and ground crew!!!

Well so far so good. After I installed my upper IP the other day, the dang gunsight fell off of the IP into the cockpit. I was able to retrieve it and re-install it. Whew! I also pulled all of the masking off of the windscreen and installed that last night. Will post some more pics as I make a little more progress.

 

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, July 12, 2013 12:46 PM

I am living in no mansion, i promise. I jsut have a small hobby/working room (3x5m) . I am working on that hangar-problem already... I am thinking of getting me a 1.5x0.8x2m glass hangar (display case)

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Friday, July 12, 2013 10:13 PM

Well I had the surgery Weds morning and it feels like a mule is constantly kicking me in the family jewels Ick!,  just have to take things slow and easy like getting up from a chair, walking etc.  I did put in a little time on the kit this afternoon mainly the seat harness and the blasted carpet monster ate another buckle, will try one more search for it tomorrow else I scratch build one. I bought the harness set from Ultra-cast and it looks pretty good. It was the first time I ordered from them, they're based in Canada. I had no problems with the order and customer service was great, I would recommend them to fellow modelers. I hope to make better progress in the next few days at least get the fuselage done and start working on the wing assembly.

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Friday, July 12, 2013 11:07 PM

Hope all goes well with your post surgical recovery Angel, doesn't sound like fun.  

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:01 AM

Archangel Shooter

Well I had the surgery Weds morning and it feels like a mule is constantly kicking me in the family jewels Ick!,  just have to take things slow and easy like getting up from a chair, walking etc.  I did put in a little time on the kit this afternoon mainly the seat harness and the blasted carpet monster ate another buckle, will try one more search for it tomorrow else I scratch build one. I bought the harness set from Ultra-cast and it looks pretty good. It was the first time I ordered from them, they're based in Canada. I had no problems with the order and customer service was great, I would recommend them to fellow modelers. I hope to make better progress in the next few days at least get the fuselage done and start working on the wing assembly.

 

Arch ....... Dont know if this helps at all but I thought maybe something here could help with your harness buckle situation    www.florymodels.co.uk/how-to-scratch-build-seat-belt/        

Glad to see yer still with us after the knife. Take er easy, man!

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:02 AM

Alright fellow groupies, I'm calling her done. I'll eventually be replacing the windscreen and canopy when they arrive from Hasegawa. At which time I'll also install an antenna wire. Other than that, what you see is what you get. Most of you know, this was an old kit (mid 80s?) with tons of fit issues, and strange accuracy discrepancies. For instance, the instrument panel is a perfect match to the real thing but the cockpit and seat are completely wrong. Fuselage gun options were both precisely detailed but neither would fit under their prospective hood without major structural adjustments, as the guns lined up perfectly with the cowl slots.
I went with the A5 variant, doing my best to depict the last plane flown by Luftwaffe Ace Wilhelm Ferdinand "Wutz" Galland of JG26. Few clear photos exist and artist renderings differ wildly so my paint scheme uses a little from each source.
A little history....... Wutz completed operational training with Ergänzungsgruppe/JG 26 and reported to II./JG 26 on 27 June 1941. JG 26 was under command of his brother Adolf Galland (104 victories, RK-Br). His younger brother Paul Galland (17 victories, killed in action 31 October 1942) was also serving with the unit. Assigned to 6./JG 26, “Wutz” scored his first victory on 23 July 1941, shooting down a RAF Spitfire. On 5 May 1942, Galland was appointed Staffelkapitän of 5./JG 26. He had eight victories to his credit. On 2 June, he claimed two Spitfires shot down over the Somme Estuary to record his ninth and 10th victories. Galland recorded his 20th victory on 4 December when he shot down another Spitfire near Boulogne. His score had risen to 21 by the end of 1942. Galland was appointed Gruppenkommandeur of II./JG 26 on 3 January 1943. On 28 January, Galland received the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold for 24 victories. He recorded his 30th victory on 15 February, when he shot down a Spitfire near Ramsgate. Galland was awarded the Ritterkreuz on 18 May 1943 for 35 victories. On 14 July, Galland entered combat with USAAF P-47 fighters escorting B-17 four-engine bombers raiding Villacoublay. He calimed two of the fighters shot down to record his 49th and 50th victories. On 17 August 1943, at 16:52, three Staffeln from II./JG 26 took off from Lille-Nord, under the command of Major Galland, to intercept a formation of USAAF four-engine bombers on their return course from a bombing raid on Schweinfurt. Over Lutych, the unit encountered a formation of 150 to 200 bombers, escorted by nearly 200 escort fighters. II./JG 26 bounced the bombers but were, in turn, attacked by a unit of P-47 fighters from the 56th Fighter Group, USAAF. Their fire crippled “Wutz” Galland's FW 190 A-5 (W.Nr. 530 125) <<+- which crashed at high speed near Liegne, 5 km west of Maastricht. The impact left a large crater in the ground from which it was impossible to remove all the wreckage. Some sources suggest that “Wutz” Galland was shot down by the American ace Walker “Bud” Mahurin (24.25 confirmed, 4 probable and 2 damaged victories) of the 56th Fighter Group, USAAF.

“Wutz” Galland was credited with 54 aerial victories in 186 missions. All his victories were recorded over the Western Front and included seven four-engine bombers and 37 Spitfires.

As evident in my WIP pics and gripes, I'm a rattle can user and along with that I use some rather unorthodox ways for weathering and detailing. Aside from some Tamiya powders, artist acrylic washes and enamel dry-brushing, most surface detail visible on the finished model was achieved by first applying black and grey primers under my finish coats, then sanding to varying levels to reveal rivets and lines in whichever of those colors I choose. Being a rather frugal guy (or cheapskate) I tend to make my add-ons or improvements. (The supercharger intakes are pieces of Bic pens. Wing guns are aluminum tubing with heatshrink insulation). And, as for colors (see pic below), I think I got pretty close to the true colors by using nothing more than well chosen shades of cheap primers and some Rustoleum Painters Touch Satins.      (oooops, forgot to include Future polish in pic)

Please feel free to reply or message me with any comments, critiques or questions you may have or simply refer back to my earlier WIP posts for details.

It's been a real treat participating in this Group Build with all you guys. I've gained an immeasurable amount of knowledge and have enjoyed seeing these awesome builds come together, not to mention just getting to know one another. I look forward to seeing you all around in the forums and will undoubtedly be in future GBs with you.

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:44 AM

Awesome work, Bill! Especially considering the age of the kit and that you anly used rattle-cans! Nice background info as well! I am looking forward to participating in another GB with you! Just tell me which one and I'm in. (if I am not already...)

Archangel: I know how you feel, man. I had the same issues as well after a surgery some years ago. I hope you feel better soon...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:32 AM

Archangel - Good to hear that you are in recovery mode and that your discomfort is short lived. As far as Ultracast goes I absolutely love their stuff. I will order one of their seats and /or wheel sets for nearly every kit I build if available. Beautiful castings and the added bonus is that the casting blocks are thinly attached and very easy to remove and clean up. I also have had nothing but excellent service from them. Really glad you discovered them.

Bill - First, it has been a real pleasure to build with you here. I hope you continue to check in with us and follow the rest us through to our completions. Next, Overall excellent work on your 190. You really did a superb job with what you had. I particularly appreciate the creativity you utilized in overcoming some of the short comings of the kit and for achieving your paint job. I do have a couple of observations on your kit that I hope you take as being constructive and helpful. First, is it appears that you could use an overall flat coat. Your finish is seemingly quite glossy from your photos. The second is although you have a well weathered paint job your decals are not. They appear brand new on there and thus not really realistic. You might want to grundge them up a bit. Again, nothing overly critical, it is your model and you may want it that way. Yet, I do hope I can impart some helpful hints. I know my modeling improved from the other folks pointing out shortcomings in my work and I greatly appreciate that from the folks here. I hope to keep up with you and hopefully catch another GB with you. Godspeed.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:50 AM

Bill, your 190 looks great, and it's been both great fun and also very educational to watch your progress. I wouldn't have thought results like this would be possible using hardware store spray cans. Mind blowing, really.

My hat is off to your creativity. And also to your results.

Archangel, hope you feel better soon.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, July 13, 2013 9:23 AM

Heya Bill. I'll be checking those pics out when I get home tonight. Can only read and send text here at work. Man I would like to tell you how glad I am that you joined the build! I would also encourage you to 1) grab another 190 and continue in the fun or 2) pop in regularly for conversation and input. Thank you for joining Bill and look forward to future interaction pal, Joe

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, July 13, 2013 9:29 AM

Well my fine feathered friends I was at it again this morning. Did some touch up painting around the windscreen with a toothpick and broke out the landing gear. By next week I am planning on her being on wheels. Got the PE brake lines and wire harness for the struts and some Ultracast resin wheels to give it the umph the gear needs to look right.

                   

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Posted by Jester75 on Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:39 PM

Shooter- Ouch brother, hope all gets back to normal soon!!!

Bill- Very nice work sir!  A fine example of what can be achieved using regular rattle can paints! Congrats on crossing the finish line and sharing with all of us along the way!!

Eric

 

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Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Saturday, July 13, 2013 9:27 PM

Thank you all for your compliments. It's good to know that others can see the effort put into a project like this. It's been a lot of fun and extremely informative.

JOE RIX;    Thank you for your constructive criticism, sir. Duly noted. I might still make those changes to it after some time. I have noticed in the past that a Future coat can lose a little luster after awhile so I tend to make it a tad glossier than I want and let time finish it for me. We'll see. I can always make some adjustments. Your observations are very much appreciated. Heck, that's why we're here.  

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by Jester75 on Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:42 PM

Well well well! Like I said, I felt like the Dora could have used a bit more paint fading and after staring at it for whats seemed an eternity I decided to go back and touch it up. I lightened the 83/75 with a tad bit of white and hit the centers of all the panels. I must say, I like how it came out!!

Aaand finally got Dortenmann's bird finsihed up. This was a pain in my rear and I think after these two, a break will be taken for anything softedged!!!

Will gloss them both tomorrow and after a day or two to cure decals will go on!!!

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:45 AM

Eric: Those birds look incredibly awesome! Is that soft-edged camo freehand, or did you mask it?

*Sigh* I have to finish those thunderbolts, but I can't help it: After seeing your stunning work, I have to continue work on my 190...

There is another problem however: I managed to break my glasses this morning. They just snapped apart in the middle. I have to go to my optician tomorrow and I hope they can fix that/give me a replacement... I'm sitting here with my sunglasses (they are optical) right now...

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Posted by Reasoned on Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:17 AM

Looks great Eric, that fading technique really works.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

On the Tarmac: 1/48 Revell P-38

In the Hanger: A bunch of kits

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Posted by taxtp on Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:15 PM

Looks really good Eric.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:25 PM

Thanks a lot everyone!! Clemens, I didnt mean to derail your T-bolts!!

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:44 PM

I can't do anything right now, even though I want to! Damn glasses! (or the absence of them...)

Cool <-- me with my optical sunglasses so i can see at least something... (they are not good for modelling...)

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:47 PM

Eric - You have indeed turned out a fantastic exhibition of painting. those turned out magnificent. I regret if my memory is a bit on the lacking side but would you mind filling me in again on what paint you are using.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by mustang1989 on Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:19 PM

JOE RIX

Eric - You have indeed turned out a fantastic exhibition of painting. those turned out magnificent. I regret if my memory is a bit on the lacking side but would you mind filling me in again on what paint you are using.

That makes two of us! Those paints just seem to lay down so good!

                   

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:38 PM

That is wonderfully appealing, Eric. The lights and darks just look so good. Don't know how you did it without over-doing it, but it looks spot-on to me.

Clemens, hope you get your eyeglasses repaired first thing tomorrow. How about a shot of you building with your sunglasses on? Cool

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:45 PM

Clemens, I am indeed sorry to hear about your glasses but at least you can sit at your bench and just look cool Daddy-O.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:48 PM

I am humbled guys, thanks!!Embarrassed

I almost exclusively use MM acrylics thinned with 90% ISO. The only color that was not MM was the RLM83 and I believe it was Eagle Colors acrylic. Really don't like it as it does not thin at all with ISO and I don't particularly care for Testors Acryl thinner. I struggle for a long time with MM acryls until Joe (aka lawdog) revealed that he thinned his with ISO. Still get a bit a tip drying but I guess that is to be expected with acrylics. I really wish Tamiya made exact RLM colors as I think it sprays even better that the MM brand but I dont really feel much like mixing my own colors.

Eric

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:02 PM

Eric, Have you ever tried Lifecolor acrylic paints? They've got some nice RLM colors. I've worked with them only a tad mixed with their own thinner and I have had mixed results. But, I attribute that to my lack of familiarity with them.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 15, 2013 8:55 AM

JOE RIX

Clemens, I am indeed sorry to hear about your glasses but at least you can sit at your bench and just look cool Daddy-O.

Sorry to hear about that as well Clemens. ]I keep two pair laying around just for situations like this. These days it seems the ol eyesight gets worse by the year! Hope you can get that worked out soon buddy.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, July 15, 2013 10:41 AM

Thanks for your kind words, guys!

I just got back from the optician. The glasses can't be repaired, but they ordered new ones for me. I have to wait untill Wednesday though...(they don't charge me anything for it at least...)

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 15, 2013 3:22 PM

Glad to hear the news about the glasses. I would go nuts if I didn't have mine!

Just got the landing gear struts de-flashed and painted the 02 color on the 190. Going to apply the wash tonight possibly. Started painting the wheels at lunch. Waiting for those to dry until tomorrow evening and will apply the masks so I can shoot the paint on the tires..............

Movin right along!!!!!!!!!!!

                   

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