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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:46 AM

I got the landing gear on and a really nice fitting windscreen considering the scale.  I put a first coat of paint on the control surfaces which lifted the Alclad so hoping the second coat goes on nicer.  I have to say I was enamored with this scale (1:200) in assembly until I had to put the gear together - wow talk about fiddley bits!  Anyhow, more work fixing this and that but here's where I am.  One note - not sure how to touch up the finish where I bled over detail painting. A few more tiny parts to put on and then decals!  Toothpick added for scale reference :)

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Keyda81 on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 11:29 AM

keavdog, I hate landing gear in any scale, lol.  I can not imagine stuff that small.  I get nervous and start sweating just thinking about cutting it from the sprue!  Looking really good!  That is the major draw back of "metal" paints.  I have yet to complete something that actually looks like metal.  I have a couple in the stash that I intend to NMF, it will probably be either Alcalad, or foil.

 

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Posted by MrStecks on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 11:55 AM

keavdog

I got the landing gear on and a really nice fitting windscreen considering the scale.  I put a first coat of paint on the control surfaces which lifted the Alclad so hoping the second coat goes on nicer.  I have to say I was enamored with this scale (1:200) in assembly until I had to put the gear together - wow talk about fiddley bits!  Anyhow, more work fixing this and that but here's where I am.  One note - not sure how to touch up the finish where I bled over detail painting. A few more tiny parts to put on and then decals!  Toothpick added for scale reference :)

Holy cow that's tiny!  I thought my 1/144 plane was small, but now I feel like I've got it easy.  Your build is looking awesome.  Big Smile

Cheers,
Mark


On the bench:  Revel 1/48 B-25J Mitchell

In the queue: Tamiya 1/48 F4U-1A Corsair

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Posted by MrStecks on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:51 PM

Okay, I'm underway on my Roden C-47.

Never before have I been able to lay out all the parts of a kit, in one corner of my workbench.

 

Since this kit doesn't have ANY interior details, and I don't feel like scratch building anything at this scale, I decided to paint the whole interior black so that nothing will be visable inside through the windows.

 

Wings glued up, just need to clean the seams.  They fit together well.

 

I was debating how to easily and quickly mask the windows.  I decided to lay some tape across the whole window section and burnish it down, then carefully cut away the excess.

 

That worked pretty well, so I glued them into the fuselage sides.

 

I hope to get the rest of the major construction done this evening, and start painting tomorrow.

Cheers,
Mark


On the bench:  Revel 1/48 B-25J Mitchell

In the queue: Tamiya 1/48 F4U-1A Corsair

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Posted by GAF on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:16 PM

I've been a bit distracted from modeling for the past few weeks because of health and a death in the family, but I'm now recovered enough to try to get some bench time.  I have some other projects ongoing, so I won't be able to start on this one for a while, but thought I would go ahead and post some preliminary shots of the model and the intended scheme.

The model is a Wm. K. Walthers, Inc. "Cornerstone Series" C-47 #933-1150 in HO scale (about 1/87th).  It has recessed panel lines, which are finely inscribed and are quite nice.  The details on the model are good, though there is no cockpit or interior details.  The model comes with three fuselage halves:  one for a C-47 with cargo doors, and one for a DC-3 model with passenger door.  It also has two sets of clear plastic windows (one for each version).  The decals represent three C-47s, two of the European theater and one for the CBI.  I will not be using any of these except for the national markings.

The aircraft I will be modeling is a member of the 1st Air Commando Group, based out of India in 1944.  A special operations group designed to supply and support units operating close to the front or behind enemy lines.  Its "?" insignia was a nod to it's secretive functions.  A brief history of the group may be found here:

http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/USAAF/1st_Air_Commando_Group.html

Some images of the aircraft:

Thanks for looking!

Gary

 

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Posted by Keyda81 on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:55 PM

Good start MrStrecks!  You'll have a whole plane in no time.  I'm no where near painting yet, lol. 

GAF, Looks like a nice kit.  Certainly looking forward to seeing the interesting paint scheme you are doing.

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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:34 AM

Thanks, Keyda!  Like Whiskey-7, the 1st Air Commando Group has a representative at the Yankee Air Museum in Michigan.

http://warbirdsnews.com/aviation-museum-news/yankee-air-museums-c-47-honors-the-1st-air-commando-group.html

Gary

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Posted by Keyda81 on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:56 PM

GAF

Thanks, Keyda!  Like Whiskey-7, the 1st Air Commando Group has a representative at the Yankee Air Museum in Michigan.

http://warbirdsnews.com/aviation-museum-news/yankee-air-museums-c-47-honors-the-1st-air-commando-group.html

Gary

 

It's nice to see a bunch of these old birds still flying!

Haven't been able to get much bench time in lately with holiday preperations going on.  I was trying to clean things up around my bench earlier, vacuum up all the pieces of sprue that have been sent flying.  I bumped "Mini Whiskey" around a couple times accidently and knocked the pilot seat lose! Angry  I think my only solution at this point is to carefully remove the windscreen and hope I can wiggle the seat back in that way.  Ugh.

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Posted by 68GT on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:31 PM

MrStecks

I was debating how to easily and quickly mask the windows.  I decided to lay some tape across the whole window section and burnish it down, then carefully cut away the excess.

 

Great idea Mark!  I was wondering what to do myself.

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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Posted by MrStecks on Thursday, December 20, 2018 4:32 PM

Update on my Roden kit

I cut off the two fuselage locator pins because they were terrible.  I carefully lined up the halves and glued them together in sections, starting at the tail.

 

That worked pretty well, but still needed a bit of putty and sprue-goo all around.


Here are the engines in their cowlings.
I painted the engines silver and gave 'em a generous wash of Tamiya Panel Line wash.  Then brush painted the nose cases gray.

 

While waiting for glue and/or putty to cure, I decided to put together a little display base for this plane.  I've never done a diorama or base before, and this seemed like a good time to try one.
I cut a piece of foam-core to fit into a picture frame, then primed it black.  Then I just sprayed on some desert tan, and covered with several layers of various shades of green.  I think it will work. 

 

Alright, engines attached and cockpit glass masked.  The little C-47 is ready for some paint:

 

Cheers,
Mark

 

 


On the bench:  Revel 1/48 B-25J Mitchell

In the queue: Tamiya 1/48 F4U-1A Corsair

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Posted by Keyda81 on Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:53 PM

Looking good MrStrecks!  I'm at a bit of stand still with all the holiday preperations going on.  Hopefully I can get some time over the weekend. 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:22 PM

Mark> I like the idea for masking the windows.  I'll have to try that when I get around to my own build.  And that's an interesting way Roden does the cockpit windows.  I kinda like that better than trying to glue pieces in.

Gary

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Posted by MrStecks on Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:31 PM

GAF

Mark> I like the idea for masking the windows.  I'll have to try that when I get around to my own build.  And that's an interesting way Roden does the cockpit windows.  I kinda like that better than trying to glue pieces in.

Gary

Yeah, when I first saw how they molded that whole cockpit roof in clear plastic I thought it was strange, but it really works well.  I had to use a little putty to smooth the transition at the rear, but as you can see in this pic after I sprayed it with primer, it worked out nicely.

Gonna let that primer sit for a day and then start shooting some color.

Cheers,
Mark


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Posted by keavdog on Friday, December 21, 2018 1:05 AM

Looks good MrStecks!  Really liking the black basing.  I'm still really new to it - but there's a bit of fun in the stage that your at.  What if night mission, or recognition models. 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, December 21, 2018 4:25 AM

 

Hope there's room for one more. Looks like the bar is high in this GB.

 

This is the 1/72 Airfix C-47 that came out a couple of years back. I think 1/72 is a good scale for multi-engined aircraft - this would be a big at 1/48. As you can see, chaos rules at this point.

 

 kit by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

I'm not quite sure what to make of the kit. The surface detail is good enough for me, although others might want to spend extra for Eduard. (I would always spend extra for Tamiya, but Tamiya doesn't make a C-47, or many of the other neat planes the the "new" Airfix has come out with in the past three or four years.) There are the infamous Airfix injector pin marks all over the interior - which in theory is bad. (More later.) More bothersome to me are the large and overly numerous sprue attachments - I am very glad that I have good Tamiya and God Hand nippers. There were some very fiddly fits which did not impress (I thought them unnecessary) but after a few curses, things have fit together pretty well. (I don't have the fuselage together, although I think it will work.)

 

I've spent a few hours working on the interior because the plane has one. I intend on leaving the rear hatch open, so there will be a little to be seen, but it's pretty obvious that the cockpit is going to be almost invisible. I don't work well on invisible components. I know good modelers tend to detail because they have high standards - they know what's been built and what hasn't. And photos will get a some of it - although there's precious little even for the camera on this kit. The good news is if there are injector marks inside, or I have to trim or even remove something to get a good fuselage fit, so what - only I'll know. I'm going to be doing some new things when it's time to paint, but for now I'm using my "go to" Golden High Flow water based acrylics which I find terrific. You do, however, have to make your own military colors - which I think is fun. (Golden is an art house brand - the best US art house acrylics methinks - and therefore they have a series of colors designed specifically for mixing. Things like platho blue (green shade) or alizarin crimson - amazing what you can do. What I did need was US interior green. I checked the IPMS article on US interior colors which is based mostly on the data compiled by color guru Dana Bell. I've also got a huge Schiffer Volume on USAAF Markings Colors and Camoflauge 1940-1947 by Robert Archer and son. Turns out that US aircraft were coated with zinc chromate found in a kind of primer for corrosion resistance. When applied alone it has a yellowish hue. And if you look at the innards of a US plane that's what you'll see. However, aircrew found the color poor for glare avoidance. So for aircraft interior, the manufacturers would add some mars black to the zinc chromate. If you add yellow and black, you get something like oliver drab. Which is why most paint companies US "Interior Green" is a kind of light olive green. Just because it was showing up in US planes the USAAF and Navy made color samples - early war was "cockpit green" (ANA 321) - the definitive 1943 revision lists Interior Green (ANA 611.) I find most commercial versions either too aggressive (more like RAF interior green which is brighter) or a bit too olive. (Mission Models has what looks to be a very good ANA 611.) I mixed Golden Chromium Oxide Green, Yellow Oxide, and Carbon black. I am very happy with the result which when put on plastic stock matches very well a very high quality sample in the Archer book.

 

 

I left it at that. Had I been trying either to please a judge or making a model where the interior could be seen, I think I would have followed the photo evidence in a somewhat different direction. Now most color photos I have of C-47 or other US interiors certainly show something very like ANA 611. But, depending upon the plane, some of the interior, especially inside the cockpit, is painted early war "bronze green" which was also often used as a reflective surface for the fuselage in front of the canopy. But, as noted, I could have painted it red, or purple, or not painted it at all because there will so little of the interior seen. After painting the interior, I applied matte varnish and then a generous dose of Com;Art Transparent Smoke for a simple wash to emulate the ample grime on the inside of a wartime C-47. Lighting is not perfect, and there's a little color shift, but these pics get the color pretty well.

 

 cockp1 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 intfusel by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

This one is from my wife's iPhone. (My neighbor is a photographer and says iPhone cameras have crushed whole sectors of the camera market and have very good fidelity. It caught the colors of my last build better than my very good Panasonic Luminex.) Not quite enough light but the color shown is a little better:

 

 intcol by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

I'm going to be sending my plane to New Guinea for the 1942-44 campaign. The conditions there were horrible. The tropical sun brought brutal heat, rain almost every day and night but with heat so beastly that it turned to dust in an hour. Also, C47s were so important that they were in the air pretty much as much as they could be. Three major offensives fought by the Australian Army - one at Buna, one near Lae and a third in the Markham Valley were almost entirely supplied by air. Indeed, the complex and brilliant moves cooked up by MacArthur during the New Guinea offensive would have been almost impossible without constant support from C47s - protected, of course, by General Kenney's formidable 5th Air Force. Crewmen did not measure their tours in terms of missions - rather it was in "hundreds" of hours. So a New Guinea C47 would have been in the air far more often than one in the ETO. (Indeed, paratroopers were a help on D-Day, but their influence was a mixed bag overall after June 6. After the breakout from Normandy, allied generals planned a whole series of potential drops behind German lines, but the advance was so fast that one after another were scrubbed - until things slowed and Market Garden was tried. This kept a lot of C47s on the ground and in training for airborne operations when they should have been used to reinforce supply for the allied army spearheads.) The military bought 10,000 C-47s, but the SW Pacific was, except for the CBI, at the bottom of the supply barrel. That meant that US (and Australian) pilots flew their planes hard. So a C47 would have stayed in service for as long as possible and each one was overhauled many times. Add heavy duty useage to miserable physical conditions and a PTO C47 would have been a well worn machine. In my word that means it will be time for black basing, salt fading, oil fading, lots of fluids (US radials spewed oil) and maybe even some pigments. The photos from New Guinea are not as common as from other theaters (the men felt it was a "forgotten" theater because no sane journalist would go there - that pleased MacArthur because it left him in charge of press relations). I do have some good pics which I'll use later, but these two will give you and idea of where I'm going to try to go.

 

 colfade-pi by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 fadenad by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

More later.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

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Posted by lewbud on Friday, December 21, 2018 7:47 PM

GAF

Modelcrazy>  You know, if I wanted to kill two birds with one stone, maybe this scheme would be appropriate?

Big Smile

Gary

 

Actually you could do three builds with one kit: this one, Bish's Airfix build, and The Race to Space.

I'll be building a new tool Airfix kit in Guatemalan AF markings.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Keyda81 on Friday, December 21, 2018 9:40 PM

MrStrecks, primer already?!  Man I'm slacking, lol. 

EBergerud, there's always room for one more!  The 1/48 is certainly on the bigger side, I've knocked mine off the stand several times already as it's taking up a large portion of my bench space, like all of it, lol.  You have certainly done your research!  Yes  Looks great!

 

I'm hoping I can sneak off to the bench over the weekend at some point, at least for a few hours. 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, December 22, 2018 12:06 AM

I'm very impressed by the level of detail work shown by you guys and one gal so I don't want to leave anybody out, simply outstanding modeling!

Got a little bench time so I started with the interior. I was going to cut off all the seats and scratch out side by side ones but then I saw GM's picture of the interior of a passenger DC3 and has the same type of seats as mine so they will stay. More than likely the interior will be VERY hard to see thru those little windows anyway.

Speaking of windows, I cut out the last window and my blade went in a little more than required so i goofed the right side of the window.  I took a piece of plastic sprue and placed a few drops of Plast I Weld on a small section of the sprue to melt the plastic. After a few seconds I scooped some melted plastic with a #11 blade and built up the damaged window section and let it dry about 40 minutes then used sanding sticks and files to shape things. A straight scapel blade was carefully used to clean up the inside frame area where the clear plastic seats. I was so pissed that I forgot to take pictures of th damaged window corner.

Some faint remains of the melted plastic can be seen but now has a solid join.

 The outside of the window looks perfect. The cargo door was filled and sanded smooth. I just need to shoot primer to check things out. One of the seams is actually a panel line just in front of the door. 

the outer wings were glued up.

Next will be the IP and interior paint .

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, December 22, 2018 12:20 AM

GMorrison

I'd take those Finnair decals in a minute. This is cool- early days of modern airline travel.

What a marvelous and unusual kit. It is an Italeri descendant.

 

I'm sorry GM I totally missed your post a while back and just saw it. I have no idea if this was reboxed by ROG. I've had this one in my stash about 7-8 years.

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, December 22, 2018 12:26 AM

Progress Plasticjunkie!

Started with the tiny decals.  Big fan of Draw decals

Well.. kept going and calling this tiny little dude done.  This scale has its pluses and minuses.  Assembly is quick, seams are small.  But boy when you start doing details like landing gear and decaling its quite challenging.  When placing a decal on the model, the subject is so light that it slides away from the decal paper/tweezers.  Also, any minor detail painting screw up is a huge deal at this scale.  Anyhow - really like the alclad finish (though I can't figure a way to touch up) and fun little kit but not sure I'm doing this scale again!

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:59 AM

That is a great looking and shiny metallic finishBeer  

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Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:33 AM

Wow!  What great work!  Loving this GB!

Well, I got some time to do a little with the kit.  Been crazy at work (I work for the govt....so yeah, I'm furloughed, but still have to work!)

I love this kit and doing this is bringing back such cool memories.  Building them as a kid...Christmas time...I know  have at least one model under the tree to open Christmas day.  I'm excited!!  So here are some update pics.   I put so much detail into some of the interior that no one will ever see, but I know it's there.  Enjoy!

And I'm doing something for the first time....aftermarket stuff!  I forgot I had these resin wheels!  Hopefully the weight on tire deal will come out good for me.  It's my first time so be gentle. Huh? LOL!

 

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Posted by SteveCB on Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:58 AM

Here's the start of my R4D.  Another little one, 1/144.

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Posted by UnwaryPaladin on Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:32 PM

Started the 1/72 Italeri "Spooky" kit. According to the shipping carton it came from Fragile, I'm guessing somewhere in Italy (Merry Christmas!)

Just kidding, I got it at a show. 

Anyways, I'm building it out of the box. The overall fit of things is very good, very little flash. Detail is ok, it's not as detailed as the Airfix kit someone is building for the GB, but it's nice. 

The only rough part so far are the guns and mounts. The seam does not really match up and it would take a lot of work on a small part to correct. The only one that will be seen is the door gun, so I focused my efforts on that one. The others were cleaned up enough, then painted. 

TThe cockpit detail is minimal, but very little will be seen through the windows. 

 

At this point, she's ready to be buttoned up and everything seems to fit well. The guns sticking out of the window make me nervous, I'm afraid of snapping them off. I also added extra glue on the windows to make a mechanical lock, I'm afraid of popping them inside while handling the model. 

 

The older kids are coming home this weekend, so probably won't have much done till after Christmas. 

 

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Posted by SteveCB on Saturday, December 22, 2018 4:10 PM

First up is the gloss black coat.

Then the aluminum coat.

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Posted by EBergerud on Saturday, December 22, 2018 5:14 PM
Just put the fuselage together. I am not impressed. The "new Airfix" in my experience does some pretty fancy things on paper without Tamiya's engineering. In any case, methinks Airfix maybe learned some things. The P40B I just did is a 2018 kit: the C47 is 2014. I used almost zero filler on the P40. I'll be trying out several ways to fill seams on the C-47. It took a lot of sanding to get a clean join - Airfix simply cut things too thin. I'd sacrifice a bucket of detail if the fuselage halves fit around the interior. They do now, but after surgery. As it stands, like the P-40, one side was slightly larger than the other. So what looks like a gap, is actually overlap. That's good because it can be sanded. But after sanding, there are still visible seams along much of the top. I've seen worse, and I've got really good sandable primer. Overall I think the kit will be pretty good. And Airfix chooses very neat subjects. And the price is reasonable. And Airfix is not Tamiya. Eric

 

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Posted by Keyda81 on Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:59 PM

plasticjunkie, Nice fix!  No one will ever know, lol.

keavdog, first one done, looks great!  I'll get the pic added to the first page.  I agree the landing gear at such a small scale is a super pain in the rear!

Eagle90, Coming along nicely!  I've been super busy too, and haven't been able to sneak off to the bench at all.  I have the same wheels for my kit, lol.

SteveCB, Nice!  I like the smaller stuff sometimes, especially if I don't feel like doing any interior detail.  Paint job is looking good!

UnwaryPaladin, Looking good!  I would be worried about snapping things off too.  I've already snapped off the tubes under the chin of the plane twice, I'm leaving them off for a while now, lol.

EBergerud, Sounds like you've got a handle on things.  I'm sure it will look great!

 

 

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:22 PM

Thanks Keyda.  Can you use the last pic I posted.  The one you put on the front page is in progress (no props or windows) 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:49 PM

Keyda81

plasticjunkie, Nice fix!  No one will ever know, lol.

keavdog, first one done, looks great!  I'll get the pic added to the first page.  I agree the landing gear at such a small scale is a super pain in the rear!

Eagle90, Coming along nicely!  I've been super busy too, and haven't been able to sneak off to the bench at all.  I have the same wheels for my kit, lol.

SteveCB, Nice!  I like the smaller stuff sometimes, especially if I don't feel like doing any interior detail.  Paint job is looking good!

UnwaryPaladin, Looking good!  I would be worried about snapping things off too.  I've already snapped off the tubes under the chin of the plane twice, I'm leaving them off for a while now, lol.

EBergerud, Sounds like you've got a handle on things.  I'm sure it will look great!

 

 

 

Thank you! 

I might wait to do the wheels until after you do yours to see how you do it.  LOL!  Embarrassed

 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:21 PM

When I built my Airfix C-47 (C-53, actually) I floated the interior in, it's not glued anywhere, just trapped.  I did have to trim down a bulkhead in the radio man's area but I think I may not have gottten it fit just right.  With this method the fuselage halves came together just right.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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