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Posted by Keyda81 on Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:58 PM

keavdog

Thanks Keyda.  Can you use the last pic I posted.  The one you put on the front page is in progress (no props or windows) 

 

Oops!Embarrassed My eyes aren't too good anymore are they, lol.  All fixed.  Sorry about that!  Feel free to grab yourself a GB badge too.  I forgot to mention that earlier.  My brain isn't all there today I guess.

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Posted by deattilio on Sunday, December 23, 2018 7:37 AM
Nice work on the "Spooky." That is the same kit I'm using for the GB but, decided to finish mine as a C-47 so I may use the gun pods on a newer Airfix kit.

 

WIP:
Trying to get my hobby stuff sorted - just moved and still unpacking.

 

"Gator, Green Catskill....Charlie On Time"
 

 

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, December 23, 2018 1:07 PM

That looks great John!

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by deattilio on Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:16 PM

Not leaps or bounds but there is progress.

I'm going with dropped flaps for this build.

 

 

WIP:
Trying to get my hobby stuff sorted - just moved and still unpacking.

 

"Gator, Green Catskill....Charlie On Time"
 

 

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, December 24, 2018 9:01 AM

Congrats and good work Keavedog!

I have a box that might resemble a 1/72 DC3 under the tree.  Will know more tomorrow.

Merry Christmas everyoneToast

Scott

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Posted by Keyda81 on Monday, December 24, 2018 9:47 AM

deattilio

Not leaps or bounds but there is progress.

I'm going with dropped flaps for this build.

 

 

Nice!  I'm doing flaps down too, but I've run into some troubles, and I still have to figure my way out of it.  It's likely because I have flaps for a Trumpeter kit, when I'm doing the Monogram one.  But when I looked that's all I could find.  Live and learn I guess. 

Hoping I can get back to my build after Christmas.  Stuff has been pretty hectic lately, no time to sit at the bench.

 

Merry Christmas everyone!

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Posted by deattilio on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 5:23 PM

 

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas.
I managed to get in some time at the hobby desk over the last couple days.  The underside of the PE flap set is assembled and installed.  I’m not assembling the flaps until much later in the build though.
Everything is stowed until next weekend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WIP:
Trying to get my hobby stuff sorted - just moved and still unpacking.

 

"Gator, Green Catskill....Charlie On Time"
 

 

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 5:51 PM

Wow those are nice!

Thanks,

John

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Posted by MrStecks on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:27 PM

deattilio

 

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas.
I managed to get in some time at the hobby desk over the last couple days.  The underside of the PE flap set is assembled and installed.  I’m not assembling the flaps until much later in the build though.
Everything is stowed until next weekend.

 

 

 

 

That really does look excellent.

Cheers,
Mark


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Posted by MrStecks on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:28 PM

keavdog, you're little bird came out great!  Love it.

Cheers,
Mark


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Posted by MrStecks on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:32 PM

Okay, back from Christmas pause...

Managed to get some color down, both the OD on top and the neutral gray underneath.  I think the OD is too dark (Tamiya), so I will probably overcoat it with some Buff to lightent it.  Not sure if I should wait until after I get the markings done or before.  I'm leaning towards after, and just making it part of the general weathering.

Cheers,
Mark


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Posted by Keyda81 on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:07 PM

Deattilio, That is coming out really nice!  Wish I could of found the Eduard ones, probably would of fit better.  Oh well, I'll make it work somehow.

Looking good MrStrecks! 

I'm still recovering from Christmas!  I'm exhausted, we cooked dinner yesterday, and man was there a mess to clean up afterwards.  I did get a couple C-47 Skytrain related gifts for Christmas.  Hubby got me an RC C-47, and me and the kiddo will be taking a flight in Whiskey 7 come spring.  Hopefully I can get back to working on Mini Whiskey soon.  Seems I can't get any bench time lately at all.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 PM

Great work guys and hope everyone had a great Christmas. We had our son, his wife and both grandkids here and man it was a blast. Just drove them to the airport earlier today and I miss them all already. Sad

As I worked on the wings I noticed that the gear bays were just open spaces in the nacelles with no walls or bulkheads. I did some work on the nacelles on the 24th before the festivities. I used those plastic junk cards we get in the mail for scratchwork.

and this gadget from Harbor Freight. I can duplicate the angles and then transfer them to the plastic cards to create the walls needed to close up the inside of the gear bays.

The landing gear bays no longer lack bulkheads and side walls.  

 

  

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:52 AM

 

I've got most of the Gooney assembled. It's been bad news and good news. I remember that someone who did the "new" Airfix Hurricane complained about an extremely tight fit getting the cockpit into the fuselage. (I think it comes in from the bottom.) I've had lots of tight fits - that can be good, if things "click" into place. With this kit, a little more sanding and muscle than I'd like has been required. There's a spar that rests on the lower fuselage piece that's to anchor the lower wing. It does - after very serious surgery was done to pare one end of it away and whittle down the bits behind the engines. Using that kind of wing assembly is a good idea generally - it helps get a good dihedral and a smoother wing root join. And so it did after being reshaped. I don't think this was a case of driver error as the spar lay flush against the bottom of the wing. The wings did have a good join - but it needed very careful gluing with the "hot" Tamiya Extra Thin "Quick Setting"glue. The tail plane woke me up. The horizontal stabilizers and elevators went right in - perfecto. The the rudder required another fight. The side doors (I haven't decided to keep them closed or not) were another adventure - the big one fit perfectly, the left one had almost no contact surface with the fuselage so it fell inside the plane a couple of time. I haven't put on the landing gear yet - I'm hoping for the best because the gear was terrific on the Airfix P40 just done.

 

I think the spar was simply bad engineering, but aside from that all problems have been manageable. I think what disappoints me a bit is that Airfix knows what to do, but they just haven't quite spent the time to seal the deal. Airfix could be a top notch company with more effort - and probably more cost. I don't mind Tamiya prices at all, but others no doubt disagree.

 

This has been nipper Christmas and that's good. As noted in my earlier build note, the sprue gates on this kit are too thick for my taste - although I've seen worse. (Knock on wood, I don't see any gates putting the part in jeopardy.) But it's been very nice using my latest addition to my sprue cutter / nipper collection the Tamiya 74123 side nippers. I bought these on the advice of uber-guru on all things concerning modeling tools and technique Paul Budzik. If you don't know this gent (a pioneer author for Finescale in the 90s among other things) do subscribe to his YouTube Channel Scale Model Workshop. (It's linked to a more detailed an very useful web page.) Budzik has skills I'll never have, but I've learned much from him about priming, spray guns, air brushes, panel lines, fancy files etc. His 13 minute spot on "Sprue Cutters and Nippers" is by far the best of the type. Budzik dismisses the stamped steel cutters made by Xuron and others and I agree totally. (Xuron does make very nice PE cutters that are long, thin and sharp.) He thinks Tamiya's line of forged steel nippers has the most bang for the buck. I do have the Tamiya 74035 which are short and fairly thick - tough nippers that can handle pretty thick sprue but still get the job done. The 74123 are longer and sharper and probably a bit more delicate - if the part need a little extra reach, they're great, and they're very sharp. We're talking under $25 for either of these guys - maybe $19 for the 035. I also have the God Hand, a brand famous among Gundam modelers. Budzik considers these the sharpest, and he's right. They go through sprue like it's butter and cuts can be nearly perfect. God Hand nippers are for the eccentric - they're $50 and not always as good as the Tamiya. But I've also damaged model parts (or dropped them) because of bad a bad cut. As every part on the Airfix C47 has needed some prep, the nipper brigade has come in very handy. And they also last for years.

 

As you can see, I do have the bird primed:

 

 Primed by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

This is in preparation for some serious black basing to act as a foundation to a multi-layered fade with salt, oils, filters and maybe pigments. I only paint with water based acrylics, but make an exception for priming airplanes. Budzik is right that automotive lacquer primer (if and only if it's "sandable" and "fillable") is simply great. This comes in a can and if you follow the directions, it lays down a splendid coat. Because it's lacquer, it does bond very lightly to the plastic - both covering scratches, but leaving all panel details in perfect order. You do this outside unless you have a shop - very powerful fumes. (And because it's not a modeling product, it's dirt cheap. Check Duplicolor 1698 "Hot Rod Black Primer" for $6 a 12 oz can.) Because the primer is so good, it covers what I had filled correctly - which is most of the plane. But because it bonds, it will also pick up imperfections and they exist - in my models they always do. Next stop, begin the black basing.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:24 AM

Mark, since you think the color is too dark why not add a few drops of white or grey to the OD and lighten it a tad then shooting the center of the panels fading to the darker color near the panel lines. This will give you tonal changes and will break up the even overall color . It's a lot of work but I enjoy playing with the air brush. 

 

Eric

That looks great so far. The weathering will be very interesting to see and compare techniques.

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:39 AM

I got a Gooney Bird for Christmas.

Now I need to get this off my table so I can start on the C-47.

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Posted by Keyda81 on Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:25 AM

plasticjunkie

Great work guys and hope everyone had a great Christmas. We had our son, his wife and both grandkids here and man it was a blast. Just drove them to the airport earlier today and I miss them all already. Sad

As I worked on the wings I noticed that the gear bays were just open spaces in the nacelles with no walls or bulkheads. I did some work on the nacelles on the 24th before the festivities. I used those plastic junk cards we get in the mail for scratchwork.

and this gadget from Harbor Freight. I can duplicate the angles and then transfer them to the plastic cards to create the walls needed to close up the inside of the gear bays.

The landing gear bays no longer lack bulkheads and side walls.  

 

  

 

I think I need to pick up that gadget!  Looks like it makes life just a little bit easier.  That looks much better filled in.

EBergerud, Sounds like the kit is giving you a bit of a run for your money, lol.  Mine is too.  But persistance will get me through!  Looks really to me.  Sounds like you have a lot planned as well, I'm looking forward to watching it come together.

scottrc, Yes  I don't think I would ever attempt a ship like that, far too many long thin parts for me to snap off, repeatedly I might add! 

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Posted by MrStecks on Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:29 AM

plasticjunkie

Mark, since you think the color is too dark why not add a few drops of white or grey to the OD and lighten it a tad then shooting the center of the panels fading to the darker color near the panel lines. This will give you tonal changes and will break up the even overall color . It's a lot of work but I enjoy playing with the air brush. 

That's a good idea PJ, but at this scale (1/144) I'm not sure I could pull it off since most of the panels are extremly small.  I'll look into it though and maybe give it a go.  Smile

Cheers, Mark


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Posted by MrStecks on Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:35 AM

scottrc

Now I need to get this off my table so I can start on the C-47.

scottrc, is that the USS Constitution?  I'm not a ship guy at all, but when I was a kid my dad had a Constitution model on his desk and I think it looked like your build.  But then again, all the tall ships look the same to me... I'm just guessing.
It looks fantastic.  All that rigging would drive me insane.  Smile

Cheers,
Mark


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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:39 AM

MrStecks

 

 
plasticjunkie

Mark, since you think the color is too dark why not add a few drops of white or grey to the OD and lighten it a tad then shooting the center of the panels fading to the darker color near the panel lines. This will give you tonal changes and will break up the even overall color . It's a lot of work but I enjoy playing with the air brush. 

 

 

That's a good idea PJ, but at this scale (1/144) I'm not sure I could pull it off since most of the panels are extremly small.  I'll look into it though and maybe give it a go.  Smile

Cheers, Mark

 

Ouch Mark!! Didn’t realize it was that tiny LOL. That would be one extreme airbrushing exercise.

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:18 PM
Keyda: you going on a DC3 flight? When I moved to Berkeley in 1970 there was still a small airline flying out of the then tiny Oakland airport that flew passengers and freight to LA flying three or four DC3s. Because they took off and landed at small airports, you saved a lot of time getting on/off the plane and hence passengers got to LA in about the same amount of real time as with jets. So it was popular (as was the Amtrak run from SF - LA). Gone now. Yesterday I happened to stumble on a page for a company that flies DC3 air tours all over New Zealand - you're low enough to take in the scenery. Big bucks though. I'm not sure a DC3 flight would be quite my cup of tea. When I was writing about the Pacific War I got to know a pilot who flew thousands of hours in a Gooney on New Guinea. Like many of the DC3 pilots he ended up in commercial aviation. He did love DC3s, but told me that the early jets like the Boeing 707 made commercial aviation in the early 60s. They were expensive until deregulated in the late 70s. But because they flew so much higher, the flight was far smoother and much quieter. He told me that the turbo-prop airliners that served as interim between DC3s and jets were always an adventure - sacrificed reliability for speed and often made emergency landings (if they landed). He also told me that a lot of passengers were either afraid of flying in a DC3 or got airsick because of the bumpy ride. I've been inside one, and it struck me as being very small. Of course it may have had more legroom than today's cattle cars. Eric

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:00 PM

If you've ever watch the last of the Bourdain shows, there's a good -3 in the open. I looked it up and it's a restored aircraft in Colombia. 

I don't remember those flights Eric out of OAK, but it's a good point. I have a book on Bay Area aviation. I'll look it up.

You'll remember that the rail service from San Francisco to LA was on the Southern Pacific, originally. The Coast Daylight, the Coast Starlight and the Lark.

Some years back one of my uncles booked us on the Coast Starlight from San Jose CA to Santa Barbara CA. It was his 65th, and we had a great time. What's unfortunate was that the train, which originated in Portland, was about 8 hours behind schedule. We didn't leave San Jose until about 5.00 pm, arriving in Santa Barbara at midnight.

 

 

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Posted by MrStecks on Friday, December 28, 2018 12:03 AM

Keyda, I envy you getting that ride in Whiskey 7 this spring.  Looking forward to hearing about it.  I had a 40 minute flight in the B-17 "Yankee Lady" back in 2000 or 2001.  Still the best $400 I ever spent.

Today's update on my build is titled "I can't believe that worked."
Unfortunately the decals in this kit did not include any invasion stripes, so I had to work out how to paint them.
This involved math.  Hence, the title of this update.

After plenty of fiddling around, measuring the two different scaled drawings in the instructions... Ugh... scribling numbers all over the place, I finally started painting.

 

Halfway there...

 

Wow, they actually came out okay.  Consistent spacing and size!

 

Like I said, I can't believe that worked.
Normally, the instant I start writing down numbers, the universe sighs and makes bad things happen.
On to the miniscule landing gear next.

Cheers,
Mark


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Posted by keavdog on Friday, December 28, 2018 12:23 AM

That looks sharp Mark!

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Keyda81 on Friday, December 28, 2018 8:29 AM

EBergerud, I'll be going on Whiskey 7 herself!  I went last summer, and had an absolute blast.  My 9 year old daughter wanted to go, so I decided that would be her Christmas present.  So both of us are going next year. 

MrStrecks, this will be my second go around!  My 9 yr old daugther really wanted to go last time.  She's never been on a plane before, so it should be interesting.  My view when I went in July.

Those invasion stripes look great!  Me and math do not mix at all, lol.  I think when I go to paint them on mine I'll go by pics to mark off either side, then just measure the total width and divide it by 5.  I think that should work.  Find out when I get to that phase, still a long ways away.  I would really never know that was 1/144 if you weren't holding it, beautiful job on the paint!

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, December 28, 2018 10:11 AM

Keyda, the stripes on a multi-engine aircraft were 24" wide, both black and white.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, December 28, 2018 12:32 PM

GMorrison

Keyda, the stripes on a multi-engine aircraft were 24" wide, both black and white.

 

 

I’ve been observing this thread. That is correct. I will also note that invasion stripes were never straight to begin with. They were hand painted as straight as they can do. I never use tape as a guide but pencil the stripe width. I also hand paint them instead of airbrushing them.

My choice of black is weathered black and white is Vallejo Off White. Both gives the best realistic look for D-Day stripes.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, December 28, 2018 12:46 PM

Since you don’t like math, your stripes will be 1/2”.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Keyda81 on Friday, December 28, 2018 5:52 PM

GMorrison

Since you don’t like math, your stripes will be 1/2”.

 

Thanks, lol.  You took the guess work out of it for me!  I'm still a long ways away from painting invasion stripes.  I need to take care of all the seams, and gaps first.  The paint job is going to be a very slow time consuming process due to Whiskey being a "calico" lol. 

I should of been at the bench today, but I've started some weird feeling off balance spells the past couple of days.  I'm pretty sure it has to do with my ears, so I've made an appointment for Monday.  Hopefully they can figure out what is causing it.  It's quite a weird sensation just sitting at the bench and feeling like I'm falling over. 

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Posted by fotofrank on Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:01 PM

Keyda, sorry for the hijack but I just wanted to share this with the folks taking part in your group build.

My wife and I went to Oshkosh back in July. There were a number of DC-3/C-47 aircraft in attendance, including the most important C-47 flying today. This airplane almost disappeared until someone did some research and found out how important this airplane is. "That's All Brother" was the lead ship the night of June 5, 1944. Hundreds of C-47s followed her over the Normandy beachhead to drop 82nd and 101st Airborne troops behind German positions. This summer "That's All Brother" will again be lead ship when she leads some 30 C-47s across the Channel again to commemorate the 75th anniversary of D-Day. I just wanted to share this with y'all. Now back to your regular programming.

OK. In the stash: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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