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HELICOPTERS - UH60 (Black)(Pave) Hawk (OPEN END)

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  • Member since
    June 2003
  • From: Caput Mundi
Posted by Avus on Monday, October 11, 2004 2:28 AM
That's perfect, Mogwa! Thanks a lot!
Welcome to this GB.
I am also pretty far behind so I'll have to catch up a lot on you guys!

I have the GB-badge on my own Image account so don't worry about me Trigger74.

Klaus

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  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Monday, October 11, 2004 9:07 PM
For those building a Pave hawk and were't too crazy about reproducing the Air Force's new blue tiger-stripe camos for their PJs or ground crew...

Uniform board incorporates feedback, alters design
by Tech. Sgt. David A. Jablonski
Air Force Print News

10/8/2004 - WASHINGTON -- Based on feedback from the six-month wear test, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John P. Jumper decided to expand the current test program to include a pixelated tiger-striped pattern in a new color scheme on the proposed utility uniform.

The expansion does not involve a full test; instead, there will be a limited production to test pattern and color, said Senior Master Sgt. Jacqueline Dean, the uniform board superintendent.

”The color scheme is only one of many improvements we are testing,” Sergeant Dean said.

A small, select group of testers will wear the newest pattern. The solid tiger-striped pattern with its dominant blue overtones is gone. The latest pixelated test pattern has a more subdued color scheme and is not nearly as distinctive as the one unveiled at the start in August 2003; yet it provides the distinctiveness Airmen have requested, officials said.

“We have sufficient input from Airmen throughout the Air Force to ensure that our uniform decisions are on target with regard to wear, ease of maintenance and fit,” Sergeant Dean said. “We kept hearing throughout the test that Airmen loved the wash-and-wear feature and the fit. The design of the uniform will essentially stay the same, with minor modifications based [on] the wear-testers’ recommendations.”

General Jumper will announce the final decisions regarding the new utility uniform once the test data are analyzed and presented. Determination is expected within the next two months, officials said.

The new design represents a uniform that could be universally worn in all environments, Sergeant Dean said. The unique fit and design will remain the same, as Air Force officials said they want a distinctive uniform for Airmen that fits better and is easier and less expensive to maintain.

“There really wasn’t much that Airmen didn’t like about the design of the uniform,” she said, basing her comment on the large volume of feedback the board received via e-mail, surveys, focus groups and online questionnaires. “We really did capture what they needed and what they wanted.

“The chief of staff listened to the Airmen,” Sergeant Dean said. “We asked what they wanted in a uniform, what they needed in a uniform and, as a result, this is exactly what we’re getting.”
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: atop a UH-60
Posted by Mogwa on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:45 PM
Well, despite an redoubling my efforts to lay into my hawk, the real army's Blackhawks and school at night are winning the battle. The closest I've gotten in 4 days is seeing the box tonite from across the room. Oh well, theres always tommorow...
Anyway heres what I really wanted. Do you guys order your stuff direct from cobra or do you get it somewhere else? Instead of fixin some stuff by scratchbuilding, I might need to just let resin do the trick.
Lemme know
Mog
PS if anyone fixes 1/1 scale Blackhawks, I made up a set of plans for a tool to use in installing the T/R blades if anyones interested. Its probably not original but it helps speed up things when im T.I.-ing guys work
UH-60 Crewchief / Technical Inspector and Modelling Addict
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    February 2004
  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:20 PM
I ordered my Cobra stuff directly from him. Sent him a money order and it arrived within a week or two. And don't worry about being busy. There's plenty of that going around!
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: atop a UH-60
Posted by Mogwa on Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:00 PM
If anyone has the cobra UH-60 detail set, could you post a pic of the Instrument panel ( looking for detail shot of instruments, and the top or what would be seen from looking in through the windshield) or if you have the set with the inlets post a pic of those? It doesnt matter if its painted or installed or not, I'd just like to get a better look then I do from his website.
Thanks,
Mog
UH-60 Crewchief / Technical Inspector and Modelling Addict
  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Monday, October 18, 2004 6:39 AM
These are from his Pave Hawk set and some of the details will probably be different, but the level of quality should be the same. I'm very happy with these parts.




BTW - How's everyone else coming along with their Hawks?
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: atop a UH-60
Posted by Mogwa on Monday, October 18, 2004 12:30 PM
Thanks Trigg, I went ahead and just ordered the set. Theres is so much I'd like to change / modify / fix on this kit,but I will be lucky to just finish it. I spent all morning just looking at a pilots seat thats out on a bench getting rebuilt thinking, "yeah I could scratchbuild this...." I have some pics I will throw up here, maybe tonite when I get home.
Mog
UH-60 Crewchief / Technical Inspector and Modelling Addict
  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Ft. Bragg, NC
Posted by adrake2 on Monday, October 18, 2004 2:13 PM
I've got most of the interior put together and painted (with the anti-skid stripes painted and worn down with some dry brushing). I'm trying to get the crew (DML US Helicopter Crew, Vietnam) to fit correctly but the door gunners are giving me a few problems. I've installed some structure below the gunner's windows. Finally, I scratch-built the FRIES gear and rapelling rings to busy up the cabin roof.
I really should invest in a digital camera! Blush [:I]
-Aaron
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    February 2004
  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Monday, October 18, 2004 2:19 PM
I've given up on the DML crew. I'll try them out with those Eggs now. I started on the FRIES rig way back when...

Adrake, how are you handling the anti-skid strips? I'm thinking of just painting masking tape, trimming it to size and applying it. to the floor.
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Ft. Bragg, NC
Posted by adrake2 on Monday, October 18, 2004 2:55 PM
I cut stripes of masking tape about .06 inches wide then spaced them apart .10 inches and brushed on a thick coat of black paint. After it dried, I remove the tape and dry brushed Dark Gull Gray, paying attention to heavy traveled areas (i.e. gunners' positions, spaces between the seats, etc.) so they would look worn down.
-Aaron
  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:37 PM
Thanks. Will those dimensions work in 1/35 scale? I'll probably just hit it all with gray and leave it there since I've seen Hawks with all gray floors and skid tape as well as black-tape-on-gray-floors.
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: atop a UH-60
Posted by Mogwa on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:54 PM
Heres the deal for the floor as far as Ive ever seen. The floor gets masked off by the crewchief with regular old 3 inch masking tape and hes just eyeballing the interval. The walkway coumpound (anti skid) is black so he has a grey and black stripped floor. Eventually he'll panit the floor and just paint the whole thing grey as he wont have the time or inclination to remask it. Some guys hate the stipes and paint it as soon as the anti skid dries. Theres no standard. We just got a bird back from 'stan and the whole cabin was spray painted black, walls and all. So there ya go, army aviation maintenance secrets. Big Smile [:D] I have floor pics if you want I'll post one.
Mog
PS How sad is it that I have pics of Blackhawk floors?....
UH-60 Crewchief / Technical Inspector and Modelling Addict
  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:54 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mogwa
How sad is it that I have pics of Blackhawk floors?....


I wouldn't mind seeing some interior shots

And having floor pix ain't nothin'. I'm just glad the Blackhawk doesn't have a toilet. Now those pix would be sad. Big Smile [:D]
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: atop a UH-60
Posted by Mogwa on Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:06 PM
Hey, for all you MH guys out there heres a nice shot someone posted on ARC today.



Good one of a navy seahag, seahawg, errr whatever they call them over there Big Smile [:D] in the same post.
Anyways if anyone wants a detail pic of something UH-60 lemme know and I'll post it.
Mog
UH-60 Crewchief / Technical Inspector and Modelling Addict
  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Thursday, November 4, 2004 1:53 PM
Well, the design of my decals are 99.9% done; I'm just waiting for one final approval before I output them. Avus, I've started on yours.

Oh yeah, heh heh. No, I'm nowhere NEAR decaling right now...
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
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  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Monday, November 8, 2004 11:34 AM
So I'm kinda curious - how's everyone else coming along with their kits?
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
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  • From: Tip O' da Mitt (Northern Michigan)
Posted by albymoore on Monday, November 8, 2004 8:23 PM
In the stalled phase, due to screw-ups and subsequent loss of interest. I don't think I'll get mine done by the deadline.....Disapprove [V]

Ciao,
Albert Clown [:o)]

"I know what it wants now...the void has swallowed the light and the machine wants my soul"

  • Member since
    March 2004
  • From: Belgium
Posted by DanCooper on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 7:11 AM
That's no problem, Alby, I don't think I'm going to get finished by December 1 either.

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

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  • From: Ft. Bragg, NC
Posted by adrake2 on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 7:42 AM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I think I should be finished by 1 January.
-Aaron
  • Member since
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  • From: Midwest US
Posted by balta1 on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 2:46 PM
I should be done with mine by Dec. 31
I hate being busy at work but I guess it's better than not having work.

Stir not the bitterness in the cup I have mixed for myself!

 

  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:27 AM
*WHEW* Okay, I feel better now. I thought I was the only one running behind. Yeah, work and freelance projects (hard to turn down easy money) have been keeping me pretty busy lately too.

Bad news adrake2 - I heard back from amazon and that SEAL book with the old gray VelcroHawk pix is NLA. Guess I'm SOL.
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
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  • From: Belgium
Posted by DanCooper on Saturday, January 1, 2005 4:44 PM
Here we are again, since the majority of the Hawk-builders (including yours truely) have fallen behind on schedule, I have decided to make this an open end GB.
I know things could get chaotic like that, but I have seen it working on other GB's (e.g. Prototypes and Paperplanes GB), so why not take a chance.

I guess this is the only way to prevent this GB of dying Sad [:(], personally I like the Hawk too much for that.

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

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  • From: Tip O' da Mitt (Northern Michigan)
Posted by albymoore on Saturday, January 1, 2005 9:16 PM
Woo! sounds good to me. I picked up Italeri's 1/48th MH-60G, so I'll go with that. I'll incorperate some Eduard and Cobra Co goodies and go with an overall Gunship gray paint scheme.

Thanks for the extension!

Cheers,

"I know what it wants now...the void has swallowed the light and the machine wants my soul"

  • Member since
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  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Saturday, January 1, 2005 10:29 PM
Sounds good to me too!Thumbs Up [tup]
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
    April 2004
  • From: Georgia
Posted by Screaminhelo on Sunday, January 9, 2005 1:56 AM
Hey Mog,

I can't believe that I haven't checked out the group build until now. I saw your post about plans for a t/r paddle tool. Can you e-mail them to me? We will be pretty busy when we get home and get our airplanes back. We may be doing the RESET on 2-3 of them ourselves. We also do all of our own phases, so anything that will make sec. 5 even quicker and easier will help us to improve our workflow.

Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

  • Member since
    June 2003
  • From: Caput Mundi
Posted by Avus on Monday, January 10, 2005 4:11 AM
I know I've been jumping in and out of this GB ...
then this open end thing ...
no I've many other models to do first ...
but on the other hand the Pave-box has been on my shelf for more tha a year ...
and I got all the aftermarket parts ...

OK I'll let you know tomorrow, if you still want me in.

Klaus

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  • From: Belgium
Posted by DanCooper on Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:38 PM
Hey Avus, the days seem very long in Italy Big Smile [:D], ofcourse you (and everybody else) are more than welcome to join.

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

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  • From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!
Posted by Cobrahistorian on Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:11 PM
I wanna get in on this so badly, but if I start one more project, my girlfriend's gonna disown me!
"1-6 is in hot"
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  • From: Moooooon River!
Posted by Trigger on Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:42 PM
We won't tell on you.
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
  • Member since
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  • From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!
Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, January 17, 2005 12:01 AM
I'm tempted, but how "open ended" are we talking here? I've got 2 birds for the AHGB and the A-10 all about to start!
"1-6 is in hot"
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