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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:45 PM

Nenad I'll have a hunt around for some more pics, i don't have a scanner so i'll trace around the outline of the tail for ya..........Thanks again Thumbs Up [tup]

Tweets, Mike Fellas no spits in the cabinet Shock [:O]

C'mon fellas iv'e only been back into this for a year and i've done 2 of them..........

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:56 PM

The irony of it all is that I have Spitfires in my stash ranging from 1:24 down to 1:72.

Well, the Monogram Spitfire is going to look great next to my Bf109E Smile [:)]

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:27 AM

Strange isn't it Mike Question [?]

I've got US and German craft coming out of my ying yang, but the unmistakable Spitfire just doesn't exist in the collection.......
Gonna have to fix that one soon!!!

Well, did some more on the engine for my Bell today.
I will post some pics this week, but the kit item, once ass'y, compared to the pics I have of the real engine, well, it's just shameful Ashamed [*^_^*]

I realise when this kit was built, it would have suited 90% of the peole that bought it, but now I'm into the detail side of things, you just can't leave it alone.
Ah well, wait for pics, looks ok so far, but need to get alot more wire to do the plumbing on this thing.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:16 AM

Carl

Thanks for the links. I will take a look at those in detail!

I still have not got the kit in the mail as yet, but am doing the research while I wait.

After all the years I have been building models, I do not have a Spitfire in the cabinet!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:16 AM

QUOTE: here are the two pics i'm useing for referance.....
On the first pic you can see the checker patten and the top hat motiff on the tail, thats the one that has me concerned, apart from that i could use the diamond under the C/pit and the code letters on the fueselage + the white 83 on the nose, the fues band i was always planning on painting on........

maybe you can find where these decals came from? (This may even be Harv's kit??)
http://www.aussiemodeller.com/Images/16th%20May%203004/Hawkeye%20F18.JPG

Carl

Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:40 AM

Mike,
I found a reference that says that the majority of RAAF Spits would be delivered in RAF colour camo and most often they would simply over spray the mid-stone areas with foliage green prior to delivery to the sqadrons. Here are some other references that you may or may not have found already:

Some in RAF UK colours, some in the RAAF Foliage Green/Earth Brown:
http://decals.kitreview.com/decals/sharkattackdecalreviewrk_1.htm

The shark-mouth spit here appears to have quite a light grey:
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/spitfire.htm

The Spit at Temora may be the best colour example you can find, assuming you trust their research (probably pretty safe). There's a video of it here, although on my monitor the video colours are different to the stills. Might have to go down there & look at the thing in person:
http://www.aviationmuseum.com.au/aircraft/Spitfire.cfm

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/spitfireviiitd_2.htm
A fair bit of colour input in the review here. Some great info although no shark-mouths:
http://www.clubhyper.com/raafvcpm_1.htm

Carl

madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:00 PM

Darren

Thanks mate!!

I was kinda hoping to short circuit the masking of the upper camo, looks like a protracted masking session in going to happen!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:52 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

A quick question if I may...

I am intending to build a Spitfire mkVIII "Grey Nurse Squadron" and am trying to ascertain if they carried RAF type A or B camo schemes, was there a difference between the RAF and RAAf patterns at all?

Normally this would not matter too much but I might be able to get my hands on some cheap Eduard camo masks so the question needs now to be asked!

cheers

Mike

Mike, you have an incoming email. I have sent you some diagrams and descriptions of the camo patterns and colors worn by the Grey Nurse SQN. What you will find is that the scheme they wore was field applied and not a standard A or B pattern.

Cheers
Darren

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Oops almost forgot, depending on where the SQN was located and at what time the camo was either foliage green and dark earth or dark green and ocean grey upper surfaces.

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:28 AM

Nenad thanks for the offer Thumbs Up [tup]

you may be able to get me out of a jam.....
here are the two pics i'm useing for referance.....
On the first pic you can see the checker patten and the top hat motiff on the tail, thats the one that has me concerned, apart from that i could use the diamond under the C/pit and the code letters on the fueselage + the white 83 on the nose, the fues band i was always planning on painting on........

I think I can do everything butthat white number on he nose. You may have to make that up from some white decal paper. Now, I am not promising, but I will give it a try. This Aussie GB hits closer to home and I'd like to try and help out where I can.

Canyou send me any more pics and try and make them higher resolution. I also need a scan of a tracing of the Tail, and fuselage sections. This is so that I can size the artwork.

I have a few what if's that MadMike and I are trying to do in the future. Whistling [:-^]

Cheers
Nenad

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Saturday, February 19, 2005 6:53 AM

Thanks Jules and Wayne.

It is the new 1/48 kit Jules. Not a bad kit either, except for the cockpit.

-Daniel

South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:06 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

A quick question if I may...

I am intending to build a Spitfire mkVIII "Grey Nurse Squadron" and am trying to ascertain if they carried RAF type A or B camo schemes, was there a difference between the RAF and RAAf patterns at all?

Normally this would not matter too much but I might be able to get my hands on some cheap Eduard camo masks so the question needs now to be asked!

cheers

Mike

Mike the RAAF Patterns were very similar to RAF apart from the tones of the colours due to the different shades and tones of the enviroment that they operated in. In a lot of cases the patterns would not quite meet the standards laid down, as in time of war there was not the time to be perfect, close enough was often good enough.

Daniel, your tomahawk looks good.

Finally, picked up my Hudson today, will have to do a little research to decide what mark was used by 1 SQN. Will start on cockpit first and post progress photos as I go.

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:52 AM

Daniel Nice looking paintjob Thumbs Up [tup]

Is that the 1/32 Tomohawk Question [?]

Mike Off the top of my head i would say the B scheme for those Spits.....

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:38 AM

ahem.....

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Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Friday, February 18, 2005 8:03 AM

Not sure about the camo patterns, obviously the colours were diffe********e thing interesting that I've recently been reading up on is the fondness the RAAF crews had for waxing & polishing their planes. Apparently this was thought to give a bit more speed and it does suggest that one should temper those final flat coats with more gloss than typically found in Europe..

I could not believe that piece in the latest FSM about the yanks deliberately weathering their planes for some sort of competition. Unbelievable! You'd think they had better things to do at the time.

Carl

madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Friday, February 18, 2005 2:36 AM

A quick question if I may...

I am intending to build a Spitfire mkVIII "Grey Nurse Squadron" and am trying to ascertain if they carried RAF type A or B camo schemes, was there a difference between the RAF and RAAf patterns at all?

Normally this would not matter too much but I might be able to get my hands on some cheap Eduard camo masks so the question needs now to be asked!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:58 PM

Thanks for the comments mate.

-Daniel

tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:53 PM

looks good Daniel!!! I have played a bit with freehand camo and am going to have to just dive into it soon... you did a GREAT job for the first timer!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:45 PM

Here is the progress on my entry for this GB. It is trumpeters P-40 Tomahawk Mk.II. it is a bird from 112 sqn RAAF, flown under control of the RAF, It was piloted by an Australian ace called Jack Bartle. The decals were the ones that came with the kit, and I only found out a few days ago that this was an RAAF Tomahawk (I was going to do some decal scrounging to make a 3 sqn one).

The trumpeter kit has been good to build so far. The fit of parts has been surprisingly good. The camo is my first attempt at a freehand job, and I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. It still needs a flat coat, which I'll do tomorrow once the decals have fully dried.

hope you like it so far.

-Daniel

tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:23 AM

Geez, your right Jules.
Totally unacceptable people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I expect to see routine BUMPS from now on!!!

Well, the super detailing off the motor for the Bell 47 has started, and will be a LONG and tedious process Sigh [sigh]

Only beaten by the detailing of the c/p console Sigh [sigh]

But, seeing as they are the 2 most observed areas, and the scale is large, would look pathetic just banging in the OEM stuff.
Good practice anyways, I plan to super detail the Trimaster Salamander one day, so need a starting point.
It's all good mate! Wink [;)]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:30 AM

Whats this Aussie GB on page 2......................

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:42 AM

Thanks for the seat tips Carl! and thanks for the Alclad tip too! I am about to build a P-47 for the LAtinamerica Group Build and have a heads up now as I think I bought white aluminum and duralumin as well...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:48 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by BigKahuna

Jules,
Can you put up some pics highlighting exactly what you need made in decal form for this Black Diamonds Sabre?
I have made some decals for Madmike last year. I will be making some more for us this year. I may be able to assist.

Thanks for the encouragement on the Hawk.
I finished nothing last year.... I don't want that happening again.

Nenad thanks for the offer Thumbs Up [tup]

you may be able to get me out of a jam.....
here are the two pics i'm useing for referance.....

On the first pic you can see the checker patten and the top hat motiff on the tail, thats the one that has me concerned, apart from that i could use the diamond under the C/pit and the code letters on the fueselage + the white 83 on the nose, the fues band i was always planning on painting on........

Carl thanks for the tip on alclad Thumbs Up [tup]

i noticed when i applied it to the Mustang i've been working on that i could only see the difference between the white aluminium and Duraluminium at a certain light angle, i was wondering whether to repaint the black undercoat over the areas to be painted duralinium to see if it would be any darker, on the Mustang i painted the duraluminium straight over the white aluminium.......

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Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:36 PM

Jules, I tried out multiple shades of Alclad w. that NMF Mustang i did recently. I found that the White Aluminum & the Duraluminum were so close it didn't matter, don't waste your time switching between them (I did!). I also tried a shadow coat effect with these but the contrast wasn't enough to be effective. I ended up using the Dark Aluminum or mixing shades to get a darker tone. So I ended up using 3 shades - Chrome, White/Duraluminum & Dark, plus bits of the burnt iron or jet exhaust for weathering or shading.

I pretty much always went over Tamiya White primer, except for Chrome which goes over gloss black. A new primer from Alclad has just hit the shelves, so I'm waiting to try that. (I love their paint, the gloss black is superb.) The primer is very fine & thin, obviously ready to drop into an airbrush.

Carl

Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:28 PM

Tom, have a look at the Cockpits album I've put into Fotki, there are a few shots there where the cushions sneak into shot (eg the Sea Hurricance, Gladiator). A lot of RAAF planes were left in the colours delivered, so the interiors would be US or Brit schemes or perhaps later repainted in local schemes. You find RAAF mustangs in particular in pretty much every variety ever made.

Carl

tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:37 PM

ahhh thanks Darren!!!! I saw a similar photo of a rebuilt Spit, the pad was a touch more red but I think it would have sufficed... appreciate the reference!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:30 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

well everyone seems so far ahead of me. I finally started the Typhoon tonight, got the interior pprepainted and waiting another hour or two to give some depth to that Ultracast seat.

Question: what color was the padding on the RAF/RAAF seats during WWII? I looked around a bit but most were restorations and either didn't have a pad or somehow it just didn't look right... just want to be sure before I get that far..

You’re not that far behind Tom, I haven't actually started yet either.

As to the question of padding on seats, it is a deep red/brown color with the worn areas a tan color. There are some not ban shot on the Spitfire Mk.I walkaround on ARC http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com

Cheers
Darren

tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:26 PM

well everyone seems so far ahead of me. I finally started the Typhoon tonight, got the interior pprepainted and waiting another hour or two to give some depth to that Ultracast seat.

Question: what color was the padding on the RAF/RAAF seats during WWII? I looked around a bit but most were restorations and either didn't have a pad or somehow it just didn't look right... just want to be sure before I get that far..

Decided to just use the seat as I never quite got around to ordering the rest of the resin... was going to get the intake and filter and who knows what else.. probably tires... might still order them as there is time before I start closing the fuselage for the intake...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:32 PM

I got some good work done on my Tomahawk yesterday fellas. I did my freehand camo job, which I'm happy enough with. It still needs a bit of touch-up here and there, but it's basically done. Then this morning I put some decals on. Just the roundels and fin flashes at the moment.

I'll see if I can post some pics soon.

-Daniel

madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:51 AM

Nenad

Great,!

Do not worry about the cost of the decal sheet mate.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:51 AM

Jules,
Can you put up some pics highlighting exactly what you need made in decal form for this Black Diamonds Sabre?
I have made some decals for Madmike last year. I will be making some more for us this year. I may be able to assist.

Thanks for the encouragement on the Hawk. Thumbs Up [tup]

I finished nothing last year.... I don't want that happening again. Ashamed [*^_^*]

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