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North African GB "All Subjects" (Start NOW - Finish 31st of Oct)

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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:04 PM
Lol Dave - actually it is a sign I need a new keyboard... I've noticed some letters don't seem to depress sometimes... not enough anyway. But yeah I was getting there today doing a mottle on that FW190 I am trying out... first time..

BTS: nice work on the mustang!!! I like it, definitely different than the run of the mill NMF ones you see so much of!
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Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200

Tweets I'm surprised you're having trouble with Gunze acrylics, I've used them for mottles even on 1/72 scale subjects without issue. Are you using any needle lube, as that helps a lot?

Karl


Yeah, I use Iwata lube on my needles, great stuff.

Tip dry isn't usually a problem for me, even when mottling, but for this squiggle I need pretty consistent 1mm lines, and I think it's just a tad much for the acrylics to handle.
Have tried high and low air pressures, thinner/paint ratios, retarder, and even poking my toungue out to the left, nothing helpsDisapprove [V].

If I had a gloss acrylic in the right colour it might make a differance, I tend to think the semi gloss and matt paint pigment is just a tad to large and binds too quickly.

It'll happen, just a matter of time.

I have roughly 2 weeks in which to finish this one as we are moving to our new house on the 23rd and the hobby room won't be set up for a few weeks.

SWMBO thinks the hobby room isn't as important as the rest of the house!!Shock [:O]
Talk about having your priorities all mixed upSigh [sigh].
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 10, 2005 6:09 PM
Dave Great looking Stang mate, certainly an eye opening scheme and in 1/72 no less, very well doneThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]I'll update page one with your build.......

Tweets sorry to hear about your troubles, I have been playing around with squiggles on my test board a littlle and i don't envy you thats for sure, I can get a nice fine line but i can't get it on consistently, certanlly not consistent enough to ever try it on a model.....Damn shame that Iwata didn't show up in time, that may have been the ticket to getting done, I've heard good things about the Iwata's.........
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Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:30 PM
Yeah, I am a little dissappointed about the Iwata taking so long to get here, but thats the price you pay for ordering something from another country.
You never quite know the IQ of those you deal with.

I'll persavere for now. Might work out, might not.
Worse case scenario, I dont finish on time.

It happens to all of us.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:56 PM
Tweetster - you ordered the HP-CS, right? I think you will be MORE than happy with it once it gets there... I got the HP-CR (just like the CS but a .5mm needle/nozzle combo instead of the .35mm the CS has) and I can do fine lines like I have never have been able to before! I imagine you'll have no probs getting whatever squiggle out of that thing you want!

I use Vallejo acrylics and haven't had much problem with tip dry at all. Working on the mottle on a FW-190 today and I learned about every 6th or so mottle spot I move the airbrush over to the paper towel and give it a good squirt... about every 12 or so I take a cotton bud with thinner on it and wipe the needle and crown, so far it's working flawless... (took a bit of hit and miss to figure it out... ) the sad thing is I am going to do a Russian front FW-190 and I will paint over all this mottle before it is all done (well a tiny bit will be visible but..... Disapprove [V])

Oh - and for the missus... make you a model room and call it a nursery... tell her the young'n might like to build models one day so you'll move it all in there for when he gets older. Wink [;)] Women have a soft spot for that... If all else fails just tell her you'll just move your modeling stuff out of the way for a bit by sticking it in the spare room as you won't have time for it for awhile. Clown [:o)]
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:59 PM
Hmmmm, reverse psychology or outright lieing???????
Confused [%-)]

Option #3-She's 5'1", I'm 5'9".
I guess I could just kick her butt.

Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]
Yeah right!!!
David and Goliath springs to mindBlack Eye [B)]


It's all good though!
'Cause this will be OUR own place, I can finally put my master plan into motion and make up the room I want.
Display shelves, ducted fume extraction, down lights, TV, DVD, coffee machine.


Well, thats on my half of the room......................................Sad [:(]
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 11, 2005 7:56 AM
OK guys talk to me more about these Iwata Airburshes, Tom IYHO how does the Iwata compare to the Badger 175Question [?]

BTW if anyone needs an extension of a couple of weeks to get finished I'm more than happy to extend the end dateThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by tweety1 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

OK guys talk to me more about these Iwata Airburshes, Tom IYHO how does the Iwata compare to the Badger 175Question [?]

Well, all the research I've done over the last 6 months convinced me to order one, mostly due to the needle limiter feature.
I ordered the HP-B+, I don't need a large cup so this should do fine for most everything.
Apparently they have better atomisation, and after trying to do squiggles, I no longer think the 'One nozzle/needle for all' thing suits me much.
Tom reckons they are the shiznit, and I trust his judgement.(foolish me...Wink [;)])

QUOTE:
BTW if anyone needs an extension of a couple of weeks to get finished I'm more than happy to extend the end dateThumbs Up [tup]


Now he tells meSigh [sigh]
Ah well.
After 3 goes at using enamels for the squiggle, and wiping it off 3 times, I turned back to the Gunze, and finally got something that resembles squiggle camo.
Mind you, the pressure was 17 psi, and the mix was 70% retarder, 20% thinner, and a splash of colour.
And I'm not joking!!
I am not overly happy with it, but after getting hand cramp so bad I felt like hurling, it will do.
I now know why there are not many squiggle camos in 1/48, it's a big scale thing I reckon.
It's just a mongrel to acheive, and very disheartening to say the least.

But enough 'blah blah', as soon as it dries properly, I'll shoot some Future on, then take a couple of happy snaps.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:09 AM
Jules - while I haven't used the fine needle on my 175 I can say with similar sized needles they are two different animals. I still use my 175 on occasion but only for large coverage on something like a big 1/48 kit or 1/32 all in one color, and slowly I am learning to use the Iwata for that too... (It's a different feel to it, if I pulled back the trigger on my 175 this far I'd be pressed to find the kit afterwards for the big lump of paint in the way)

The HP-CR consistently does better at anything else. In fact I was able to touch up the wing root at the join to the fuselage without masking. No overspray, everything a nice even coat. Tweets remark about atomization is true. It really does seem to spray a nicer more even coat.

QUOTE: Tom reckons they are the shiznit, and I trust his judgement.(foolish me...)


::wearing best innocent look:: Would I ever steer you wrong Tweets? ::straining hard to look even more innocent:: Angel [angel]

With the HP-B I think you'll be using two brushes as well. But with a hairline fine line ability I think you'll be producing some amazing squiggle... The only thing I can see is you might be relegated to the realm of enamels for your squiggle as acrylics would have a hard time passing through a .2mm nozzle I would think... Good luck to you though! Where did you order it from? If it was from dixieart and they didn't ship it before the hurricane it might be a week or more before it ships as they just relocated and will be opening again as their area they were in was pretty hard hit by Katrina...


---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:17 AM
OK guys i'm soldThumbs Up [tup] I trust your judgement on matters like thisThumbs Up [tup] For the He 219 that i'll be building for the BOG GB i think i'm gonna need a better A/B to do all those unmasked spots on the uppersurface............
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:38 AM
Iwata's are the best. I couldn't live without my hp-bcs anymore!!
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 11:34 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

OK guys i'm soldThumbs Up [tup] I trust your judgement on matters like thisThumbs Up [tup] For the He 219 that i'll be building for the BOG GB i think i'm gonna need a better A/B to do all those unmasked spots on the uppersurface............


I misread that at first and substitued a B for a G in the BOG GB thing... I was wondering what you were trying to pull over on us haha... He219's in the BoB? hmmm... Wink [;)]

Jules I reckon for an all around brush you would want to look at the HP-CS, it's a little more money than the CR but also has a smaller needle/nozzle combo which would let you have some tighter results on the camo. That's the brush Saltydog used for all his models when he was around...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 12:07 PM
Hp-cs and bcs are the same brush except bcs is siphon fed, right?

I know it' s not forthis GB, but I've spent the last hour folding one PE part for the cpkpit of my 1/72 su-27. Yup, 1/72. I hate 1/72 PE. I've spent about 2 hours cursing whatever sick b****** it was that invented PE. And the thing is, I'm not even done folding it. I hope I'll be done soon, and then I can fold the other 15 poeces in the cockpit. Yay. Sign - Dots [#dots]
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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 12:18 PM
IWATA!!! What heresy is this?

I don't buy the one tip one head combo anymore either Tom, not since I swapped to the Badger 100 SG with fine head. This things sounds like it's in much the same league as the Iwata's.

I still use my Omni 4000 for area work, but for everything else, it just has to be the 100.

Tanky I feel your pain, I tried folding up the late model head armour for my
1/48 109 G during the week. I could barely see some of the areas to be folded. In the end I binned it and used the kit part. I coming around to the view that PE is overated, especially in cockpits where it doesn't have the depth of resin.

Tweets You know Gunze is good! Best of luck with the squiggle.

Progress Update

The 406 has been Futured, I'll start decalling tomorrow.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 1:50 PM
Tanky - yup... just where how get the paint is different..

Karl - yeah the 155 Anthem I had does great across a broad spectrum but can't do nearly the detail my Iwata does... on the other hand the Iwata can't do near the broad coverage my 175 Crescendo can... so I switch between the Iwata and the 175 now... and the quality shows!! I think that's whare some trouble spots for me before came from, trying to do too much with one brush.

The 155 Anthem has since collected a fair amount of dust Wink [;)]

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 2:03 PM
Oof, harsh life your once trusted anthem lives. An excellent brush, cruelly neglected by Tom's evilosity. LOL. I haven't used my anthem in about 2 months now. But then again I haven't used my Iwata in about a month so I'm just not airburshing very mucch.
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:17 PM
Tanky - the 175 sat idle for a yr while I chugged away on the anthem so not it's HIS turn to be used! Wink [;)]
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Posted by darson on Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:21 PM
Karl, I couldn't agree more on your point about PE vs resin. PE is great don't get me wrong but it just does not have the depth to represent a lot of bits and pieces especially in cockpits. However, the exact same argument is true in reverse, there are things that you cannot do in resin that look brilliant in PE. I think it's a matter of mix and match and use each for what it's best at. Oh yeah Iwata rules Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

Tanky you are correct the HP-CS and HP-BCS are basically the same brush with the exception of the siphon feed jar on the BSC. Btw I have enough trouble with 1/48 PE let alone 1/72.

Tom do you have the pre-set handle on your Iwata? I'm thinking seriously about getting one for mine and wanted to know what's your opinion of it if you have one. Oh yeah Salty's recommendation of the HP-CS was one of the reasons I picked up that AB in the first place.

Jules if you are looking at the HP-CS, do yourself a favour and pick up the .5mm needle, nozzle & nozzle cap for an extra $20. It's a very quick change and allows broad coverage work or fine detail depending on your need.

Tweets congratulation on the new place and good luck with practising those negotiation skills!!! Perhaps try to frame it so it's a win for SWMBO by saying that all your modeling stuff will be packed away so that it's not under foot while you're trying to set the rest of the house upTongue [:P].

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:16 PM
Darren - no I dont have the preset handle. I'm not sure I will get it yet.. I'm still learning mine like it is.. And that's what mine basically is.. the CS with a .5mm nozzle/needle combo. The only other diff is the head is in two pieces whereas the CS has it in three... there is an extra piece on the end of the CS that helps protect the needle that mine doesnt have... (but the needle is still recessed and protected all the same...)
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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, September 12, 2005 7:55 PM
Sorry i havent posted in awhile.
Ive been really busy and really lazy.
My dad and I sprayed on the base coat today. My dad thought it was really cool.(the airbrush)







Hope you like.

-Josiah

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:06 PM
Looking great YG!!! you and Dad did a good job! Is it a new airbrush or is he just now getting to use it? Looking forward to seeing more, I saw one of your other builds and you're really getting the hang of this hobby! (Wish *I* could haha)

Good luck and hope to see more soon!
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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:11 PM
I got on June 4 for my bday and he just getting to use it.Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

-Josiah

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:33 PM
Well I'm around half done with my Pz III. My Dragon fenders are warped a lot. When I put new batteries in my camera, I'll post a pic.
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Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:42 PM
looking good YG!
John
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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:47 PM
Thinks guys.

-Josiah

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:49 PM
scer - sounds good!!! but ya know Jules kind of wore out the batteries excuse on the pic taking thing... Wink [;)]

YG - you finally allowed him a shot at it? I say let him go for it, when he gets hooked mention that maybe you BOTH should have an airbrush so you don't have to share... Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by darson on Monday, September 12, 2005 9:08 PM
Great looking Matilda YG, don't forget to post some more pics when you get a bit furtheralong . By the way what sort of airbrush are you and your dad using?

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, September 12, 2005 9:09 PM
Thanks!
Its the Badger Anthem.

-Josiah

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, September 12, 2005 9:43 PM
YG - good brush, I have one too... maybe if he gets hooked you can talk him into at least the Iwata HP-CR.. it really is a great brush...

I remember that Anthem was a sweetie right out of the box... good detail and decent moderate coverage... for some reason unthinned future didn't like that brush for some reason.. it always seemed to get the rough "too much pressure/too far from the model" syndrome... with the 175 and HP-CR I haven't had that...

Anyway, you're producing some awesome results with it so keep it up!!! Look forward to pics! (hint: charge the batteries now so they're ready when you go to take pics... ::knowing look at Jules and Scer:: Laugh [(-D])
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:38 PM
Looking good YG. Keep us posted.

Regards, Rick
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