WWII Carrier Aircraft Design GB (Starts Now -- Ends November 30, 2006)

Very cool videos.  Thanks for posting.

Regards,  Rick

I never knew videos like this existed on the net, especially the training films for the Corsair. So many bottoms and switches on that thing, too many procedures…

Thank you, gwaihir for making the links workable.

Now that I'm at work, I made the video links clickable. Both should work now. Also, on the second one, I noticed in the upper right hand corner there is a button for more videos that has some others that might be of interest.

Leon

Leon - thanks!!!  I'm going to bookmark those... some very cool footage, specially the second one.

I couldn’t make the first link work, the second link did work fine.

Wow. It was very entertaining watching those Corsairs and Hellcats landing on the carriers. Man those Corsairs are tricky bird to land, especially on carrier flight decks. I never knew the British aircraft carriers had such a narrow flight deck..

Thank you, gwaihir for posting the cool videos. I will add them to the first page under sources.

Hey guys. A couple links to videos have been posted over on hyperscale that go with our subject, so I thought I would post them over here. They are definately for broadband users. Hopefully, this is an appropriate thing to put here. (Let me know if not.)

The first one was posted today and is a training video for the F4U. Link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1056703518162002454&q=f4u

The second was posted awhile ago. It is color footage of WWII carrier opps. Link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7166330178234459087&q=wwii Leon

<BLOCKQUOTE><table class="quoteOuterTable"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/FSM/CS/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>tho9900 wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">have we suckered (boy I miss the strike out function of the old board.. that was fun) errr.. I mean convinced you to join yet Leon???  we can help you through making that SBD fly... you've got two confirmed aficionados of SBD;s right here... in fact I have been pondering do I want to do another dash-3... I might change my build.... or better yet a dash-2 since you are doing the dash-1.  (yes I have many SBD's in my stash <img src="/FSM/CS/emoticons/icon_smile_wink.gif" alt="Wink [;)]" />)</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darn it, why wont quotes work for me. ARGH! Oh well...

Yes Tom, I'm ready to stand up and commit to the SBD. I definately appreciate everyone's willingness to help. My biggest fear was that I would do the dash-1 in the later color and everyone would just jump at the opportunity to tell me it was wrong. Now I have a little confidence with the help I am receiving here that it will at least be feasible.

Leon

I'll chuck my hat in as a bit of a SBD nutter too Tom. I really enjoyed building my one for the Midway build and am already planning my next build (probably a coral sea period SBD-2). Might even do one for this build. Another Hellcat is also an option too. Or maybe both :::Evil laugh:::

have we suckered (boy I miss the strike out function of the old board.. that was fun) errr.. I mean convinced you to join yet Leon???  we can help you through making that SBD fly... you've got two confirmed aficionados of SBD;s right here... in fact I have been pondering do I want to do another dash-3... I might change my build.... or better yet a dash-2 since you are doing the dash-1.  (yes I have many SBD's in my stash )

Agreed-- thanks Leon!!  My knowledge of HTML is limited-- but I think this seems pretty easy to do-- I know enought to understand you LOL...will try it soon.

Thanks Leon! Sounds pretty straight forward and I definitely want to give that a try.

(Quote from Jeeves) That is a great idea on the sig link.....do you need to have your own website to do it-- or could you link it to Photobucket?? (end Quote)

Thanks. Photobucket would work fine. Below is an example of what is typed.

[ url=http://www.ic-olph.org/school/images/4.htm][ img]http://www.ic-olph.org/school/images/1.gif[/img][/url]

I put an extra space in both of the starting brackets to make it inactive. So essentially it is url=the site (or photobucket picture) you want it to link to (all in brackets). Then the regular image setup for the badge image. Then both end brackets. I don't know if I'm explaining it well, but in mine 4.htm is the page with my completed build, and 1.gif is the badge image. Let me know if I am explaining it clearly.
Thanks and I hope I answered the question.
Leon

Oh one more thing. The negative is that it takes quite a few 'characters' to accomplish this and there is a limit to signature size. I'm not sure if there is a better way, but this is what I figured out.

That is a great idea on the sig link.....do you need to have your own website to do it-- or could you link it to Photobucket??

Thanks guys. I appreciate your comments.

tho9900 wrote:

gwaihir wrote:  If it was from VS-8, would the marking on the side involve an s? Do you think I can just make up a number to go on the side / wing since I don't have this info (say 5? I like 5). Any other thoughts if you were to do this? Leon - the only lettering on the side of it would be S-(plane number)  Like S-4 or something.  They had painted over the squadron number prior to the battle to hinder identification of which carriers were employed in the attack.  Typically any number would do. Great idea on the GB badge being linked by the way!  And some awesome builds you have there.  Love the NMF finish on the P-51, what did you use?

Thanks Tom. The NMF on the p-51 and the p-47 are snj. I have alclad to try, but haven't got around to it. I am really glad I used the snj powder though because I rub a little of the extra on seam lines of current builds to see if they show up. For that it is a great product. I figure the extra powder from a starter set will last me forever when it comes to checking seams.

Leon

gwaihir wrote:

If it was from VS-8, would the marking on the side involve an s? Do you think I can just make up a number to go on the side / wing since I don't have this info (say 5? I like 5). Any other thoughts if you were to do this?

Leon - the only lettering on the side of it would be S-(plane number)  Like S-4 or something.  They had painted over the squadron number prior to the battle to hinder identification of which carriers were employed in the attack.  Typically any number would do.

Great idea on the GB badge being linked by the way!  And some awesome builds you have there.  Love the NMF finish on the P-51, what did you use?

Gwaihir- What you did with the sig is pretty cool. Now you can show that you completed the build. I think it’s a good idea.

Jeeves- Great! I got you down for a Hellcat in 1/48.

 

Actually that's a great idea Leon to link your GB badges like that.  Falls in the "Why didn't I think of that" category. 

I can help on the SBD-1 question.  The cockpit interior would not have been repainted but would have remained in BMF/Silver lacquer.

Regards,  Rick

OK, In possibly planning ahead check what I have gained from this thread so far.

I can do my sbd-1 in the two tone scheme. I should put the large insignia with red stars on and then try to make it look like the red was painted over with white (or shite whatever is available ). I should use red / white stripes on the tail and also paint over those (with the gray-blue??)

Some more questions. I understand the sbd-1 had metal interior. Would it have been updated with zinc chromate or kept metal if they repainted the exterior? If it was from VS-8, would the marking on the side involve an s? Do you think I can just make up a number to go on the side / wing since I don't have this info (say 5? I like 5). Any other thoughts if you were to do this?

By the way, I don't know if I'll keep it as I'm not sure where I stand on signatures, but I am kind of excited that I figured out how to do a little trick in my signature. I put a link to the completed build for each completed GB badge. What do you think? Good idea? Lame?

Thanks for all help.
Leon

OK-- I have made my decision.  Put me down for Hasegawa's 1/48 Hellcat...

Leon - the Navy History site (on the navy.mil page somewhere) has some awesome shots of before and after battle aircraft, you can see the numbering, the shades of the colors (how dark or light they were) etc on there... if I find it I will post it here for ya!

j.s.harrison wrote:

tho9900 wrote:   As my esteemed colleage Jules pointed out, drybrushing SHITE over the red dots to hide then would set you straight! Hmmmm Tom i'm no expert but i can't recall any National markings painted in Shite maybe white but never ever Shite, besides wouldn't it wash off in the rain Ahhh thanks Tom that was my first good laugh for the day

 

That was very funny, milk almost came out of my nose.

j.s.harrison wrote:

tho9900 wrote:   As my esteemed colleage Jules pointed out, drybrushing SHITE over the red dots to hide then would set you straight! Hmmmm Tom i'm no expert but i can't recall any National markings painted in Shite maybe white but never ever Shite, besides wouldn't it wash off in the rain Ahhh thanks Tom that was my first good laugh for the day

Thanks for pointing that out Jules. That is quite possibly the funniest typo I have read in a long while.

Thanks, too, guys for the info. More questions will definately follow, but I am going to spend a little time looking around at Midway SBD's.

Leon

Lol Jules!  Those Marines there were a brutal lot right?  I've got to remember not to be talking to the missus when I am typing haha..

tho9900 wrote:

As my esteemed colleage Jules pointed out, drybrushing SHITE over the red dots to hide then would set you straight!

Hmmmm Tom i'm no expert but i can't recall any National markings painted in Shite maybe white but never ever Shite, besides wouldn't it wash off in the rain

Ahhh thanks Tom that was my first good laugh for the day

Hey Leon!!  Good to see ya here!  Jules set it out straight, it would look like any other SBD at the time.  Check out the battle of Midway GB and there are more than a few SBD's in there with the correct scheme for ya.  Does the SBD you have contain tthe small nat'l insignia for the fuselage?  |

This is a Wildcat but at least you can see the size difference:

Pre war:

During the war prior to Midway but would have been the same scale dimensions for the SBD:

 

As my esteemed colleage Jules pointed out, drybrushing shite over the red dots to hide then would set you straight!

Leon If it was on the decks of a carrier at Midway  it would have definatly been the 2 tone Blue/grey over grey camo scheme, The red spots in the national insignia and the red stripes on the rudder would have also been overpainted.......Hope this helps

OK guys. I need your expertise / opinions. First off let me preface this question with the fact that I know very little about the history side of our hobby. I wish I knew more, but I really got into it because I thought the planes looked cool. I am trying to learn though. Anyway, I'm trying to say, please excuse my ignorance.

I have a dauntless sbd-1 that I am thinking about commiting to for this build. However, I'm not really sure if I want to do it in the yellow wing scheme. So I have been doing some searching to see what I can find about it's use during the war. I found the following information on a site about the Battle at Midway. Site: http://www.microworks.net/pacific/orders_of_battle/midway_usa.htm

Information located in 2nd grouping on the page:
V- 8 USS Hornet (Yorktown) -- Captian Marc A. Mitscher
VF-8 -- 27 F4F-4, Lt. Cdr. Samuel G. Mitchell (12 lost)
VB-8 -- 19 SBD-2 and -3, Lt. Cdr. Robert R. Johnson (5 lost)
VS-8 -- 18 SBD-1, -2, and -3, Lt. Cdr. Walter F. Rodee (5 lost)
VT-8 -- 15 TBD, Lt. Cdr. John C. Waldron (Killed) (All lost)

So to make this short. I am reading it as there was atleast 1 sbd-1 on the uss hornet at the battle of miday for vs-8.

1) Am I understanding this info correctly?
2) At that period of time, it wouldn't have been painted in the "prewar" scheme would it?
3) If it was a different scheme, what do you suppose that scheme would be?

Enough for now. Can you offer any help?
Thanks,
Leon

BTW, Jules, I hope you do the seafire. It looks really cool.

Hmmm i'll have to give this Seafire thing a little more thought, I must admit that i do like the FAA colour schemes, and i can't recall ever seeing a Seafire MK III built before which gives me some more motivation to do it, but on the other hand i really would like to have a Swordfish in the collection.....

Anyways here is a couple of pics which show wing folds and thr tail hook....