F1 Group Build

Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 23, 2005 9:05 AM

I know very little about F1 racing, but do recall Nikki Lauda (sp?) when he raced for Team Saudia in the 1970s. My dad worked for Saudia (the Saudi Arabian national ariline) at the time and we were all surprised when they decided to spend some of the petrodollars sponsoring one of the top racers of the time.

So, does anybody know if there are models and/or AM decals for any of the cars he drove? I might be interested in putting together one of them as a present for him, since he already has a collection of the airplanes from the era.

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mkhoot

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January 2004
From: Westland. MI USA

Posted by mkhoot on Friday, September 23, 2005 9:47 AM

Ralph you might want to check this one out at F1 Specialties. It's the Tamiya 1/20 Saudi sponsored Williams FW 07 driven by Clay Regazzoni. The only Saudi marked kit I know of. http://www.f1specialties.com/main/tamiya/20014.php

When in doubt just build it. Mark http://www.ipmslivonia.org/ipms/

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 24, 2005 2:30 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by mkhoot

Ralph you might want to check this one out at F1 Specialties. It's the Tamiya 1/20 Saudi sponsored Williams FW 07 driven by Clay Regazzoni. The only Saudi marked kit I know of. http://www.f1specialties.com/main/tamiya/20014.php

Thanks - I'll do that. A little research has convinced me that my aging memory is faulty, as Niki Lauda never drove for Saudia, as far as I can tell. Perhaps I was conflating the fact that Saudia had sponsored a car and the recollection of Lauda's horrible crash and assuming that they were more related than that.

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Monday, September 26, 2005 7:06 AM

Ralph, you are correct in your research. Niki Lauda never drove for Williams (who was the team sponsored by Saudia). I presume you are more interested in building that car than the Lauda cars (Ferrari's in the 70's and McLarens in his 80's return to F1)

Coinsidentally, I ordered that kit from F1 Specialties just a few weeks ago. So that is one option. (I had a very pleasant experience with them, btw) AMD also has resin kits of FW07's and FW08's. Much more expensive, though.

From (my own ageing) memory, there are more than one decal option on Tamiya's FW07. Ah, yes, here's the decal sheet from the above-mentioned page:
http://www.f1specialties.com/main/decals/014.php

If you something to ask about that kit, shoot then I can have a quick look tonight.

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Monday, September 26, 2005 7:18 AM

If you wanted to do a Niki Lauda car, you could do the Brabham BT46 that he drove in 1978. Tamiya have a 1/20 scale kit of that car too. But you are probably more interested in doing a Saudia branded car......

I've got a feeling there was another team that carried Saudia branding either before or after their association with Williams. I'll do some research......

-Daniel

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 26, 2005 10:17 AM

Thanks for all the feedback, guys! If one of you discovers another team that would be interesting, otherwise I'll probably go with the Tamiya Williams kit. SeaBee, if you get a chance to look at the kit and provide some quick thoughts on how well engineered it is that would be great. I'm assuming that Tamiya generally puts out kits with excellent fit, but it would be nice to know if this one is an exception.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 26, 2005 2:53 PM

McLaren over took Renault with a 1-2 finish by Montoya and Raikkonen! Congrats! Take home the cup!

I have decided to not purchase and use the Lion Roar PE set. The kit is good enough on its own.

Tamiya F1 kits are well engineered like all Tamiya kits and have great fit and no flash. I'm a little dissappointed by the pin hole marks on my BMW FW24, but most won't be visible unless under a close inspection.

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Monday, September 26, 2005 3:13 PM

The McLaren M23 above brings back memories-I built that one after my freshman year in college (1975). Then built the Tyrell 1/12th and dropped out of the hobby for almost 30 years.....

Changing my mind regarding my build-going to wait until I see what Hobby Lobby has-coupon for 40% off. If nothing of interest, then it's time to web surf.

btw-what is a good web site for accessory type items-PE, belts, decals for auto type builds-most all of my recent builds have been WW II aircraft. Gonna be tough not to weather this build..... Wink [;)]

Thanks

Bob

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Gilmund

Member since
December 2004
From: Haninge, Sweden

Posted by Gilmund on Monday, September 26, 2005 3:40 PM

Well, the season's not over but we have a new world champion. Hats of to you Fernando. And I wish Kimi better luck next year. You're the man.

- Johan Byberg -</font id="blue"> "Who´s the most foolish, the fool or the fool who follows?"</font id="size1">

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nicholma

Member since
September 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nicholma on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:02 AM

OK I'm in as well, having just found the GB. I'll do either a 1/43rd (I've got about 30 in the cupboard to choose from but maybe a 6-wheeler or the the McLaren 2 seater) or the Brabham fan car using a transkit on the Tamiya base or maybe the Tamiya 1/20th Ligier box stock, perhaps Tamiya's 1/12th Renault or ....... I'll definately need the 4 months and won't be starting until I've finished the rally GB which has definately stalled.

Ralph the Tamiya Williams is an good kit with good moulded detail although a little simplistic in parts. Well worth having. I'm part way through converting it to the following year's car which ran without a front wing on a couple of events and a different rear wing.

Pingtang the T4 is fabulous to build and Mkhoot the M23 is also fabulous and I reckon the M23 was one of the best looking F1 cars ever. I actually preferred building those earlier Tamiya 1/12ths to their later Williams, Ferrari and McLaren.

Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:30 AM

Hmmm... As for Kimi, he had some bad luck, but he made some stupid decisions. To name one: why on earth, knowing that your engin is vulnerable and you're on the first weekend of a new engin do you go and pop in the fastest lap of the race on the final lap whilst under no pressure (Silverstone)? In that way, I think Alonso managed his year much better. And no, I actually quite like Kimi as a driver.

Anyways, back to the FW07. Ralph, if that is what tickles your fancy, go for it. Had a look at my kit this morning and there is no problems. You just have to remember that this is not the latest kit Tamiya manufactured, so it might not be such an effortless fly-together build. But it looks very good to me. Oh, and I don't think the Good Year decals are included. If you can handpaint it better than I think I can, go for it, otherwise try and order some from F1 Specialties while you're at it. I forgot to - and now hope I have some spares...

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:25 AM

Ah Mark how have you been Question [?]

I havn't built with you since the First Old Guns GB way back then, I'm looking forward to seeing some of your Car magic again Thumbs Up [tup]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:03 AM

Hail the champ!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 30, 2005 1:15 PM

hmmm.... is this gb still open ?
i have the tamiya ferrari f2001 & williams bmw F1 kits,
maybe it's time 2 start one...

frosty Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 1, 2005 9:02 AM

Yes, this group build doesn't start till October 17, and even after that you can still join.

I hope to see you join!

Only 16 more days!

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Monday, October 3, 2005 1:30 AM

...and still awaiting the arrival of my R25.... *sigh*

Shouldn't be long now, allready shipped via EMS... Anticipation frowing...

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Monday, October 3, 2005 3:40 AM

I should get the studio 27 decals for my T4 in the mail this week, so I'll be right to go on the 17th. The kit is 20 years old and the decals are very yellow. Can't wait to start this build.

-Daniel

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mkhoot

Member since
January 2004
From: Westland. MI USA

Posted by mkhoot on Monday, October 3, 2005 3:42 PM

Pingtang I just picked up a set of these machined aluminum intakes for the T-4. They look pretty good I thought you might be interested. Here's a link.
http://www.scaleracecars.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=s27fp1201&Category_Code=s27f1decals&Store_Code=S

When in doubt just build it. Mark http://www.ipmslivonia.org/ipms/

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 3, 2005 5:32 PM

Does anyone know of any sites that sell F1 detail sets, etc. that isn't out of stock of everything like www.scaleracecars.com? I found some very nice sets there, but they are all out of stock.

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mkhoot

Member since
January 2004
From: Westland. MI USA

Posted by mkhoot on Monday, October 3, 2005 9:09 PM

I'm not sure what you are looking for but here are 3 places I've had good luck with.
http://www.stradasports.com/
http://www.f1specialties.com/main/index.php
http://www.racingminiatures.com/Home.asp?nPageID=301965
Also www.hlj.com

When in doubt just build it. Mark http://www.ipmslivonia.org/ipms/

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Tuesday, October 4, 2005 1:34 AM

MediaMix: http://www.mediamixhobby.com.sg/catalog/index.php
Also try ScaleMotorsport directly - they make their own sets for several cars, super! Maybe they have a set for your car. Very fine bunch of people! You can get their products at other stores, too...
http://www.scalemotorsport.com

BTW, I've just had happy shopping (way too much to the mrs' liking Wink [;)]

) at scaleracecars, though. Did you mail them? Or tried to order from their other shop (HobbyExport, I think - it's on the intro menu, anyways)? David usually gets stock once a week for the stuff that is not in stock, if still in production of course... And what I like a lot is that he keeps you informed as to the status of your order.

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Tuesday, October 4, 2005 3:15 AM

Mark - I would have liked to have gotten a set of those, but everywhere I looked was out of stock. Now the budget won't allow for it. Sad [:(]

Some of the PE nuts and bolts look good too. Thanks for the link. Thumbs Up [tup]

-Daniel

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 4, 2005 4:10 PM

Thanks for all the links everyone. I'm interested in buying the Lion Roar PE set.

I have another question, what all on a F1 car is carbon fiber and is best to be covered with a carbon fiber decal? I have a BMW FW24. This will be my first F1 car build, and I don't know that much about F1 cars except for the basics, stats, materials, etc. I love to watch the races!

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Tuesday, October 4, 2005 10:06 PM

Pretty much everything on a modern F1 car except the engine, radiators and (in most cases) the gear box is made of carbon fibre. I usually like to cover most parts that are bare CF on the real car with decals on my model. It's not absolutely necessary, but I think it looks good. On my first cars, I just painted the parts semi-gloss black and it looks fine. You'll probably need to do some research to find the best CF decal for a particular model. I did find through pics that the best match for most of the CF on the FW24 was "scale motorsport 1/24 plain weave CF decal".

Hope that helps.

-Daniel

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Wednesday, October 5, 2005 5:04 AM

I have found MS-5 (The metallic black you're supposed to use on the MP4/13) by accident to create quite a nice CF effect instead of X-18, but just a quick mist layer, not built up and sprayed "properly". Works quite nice for those smallish and difficult parts. And if you combine it with CF decals in different places, it ends up looking acceptable to me. Personal taste comes in here, but I don't like all the CF on a car/bike to look exactly the same - at times I just use different scales on different sections as well.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 5, 2005 5:31 AM

Tried the metalic black before, it certaily looks great with carbon decal.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:09 AM

Scale Motorsport produces a carbon fiber decal template set for the FW24. I believe it also comes with the decals, but I'm not sure.

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:12 AM

The Scale motorsport templated CF set are pretty much a couple of sheets of their CF decals with templates printed on the back. If you want to save a bit of money, you could just by some CF decals and make your own templates. Masking tape works well for making patterns.

cupcai They are some good pics you've taken there. I might have to post a few of the pics I took at this years Aussie GP. Only problem is, I'm not a marshall so I can't get as close as you did. Thumbs Up [tup]

-Daniel

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Friday, October 7, 2005 5:45 AM

Whoo-hoo! My wife just picked up my package at the PO on her way to work... Can't wait to get home tonight.

Pity I can't get going immediately! Wink [;)]

And another engine failure for Kimi... Not good. Banged Head [banghead]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 7, 2005 1:24 PM

ok, i'm in !
i haven't decided which kit i'm going 2 build yet...
i mite even go w/ a revell 1/24 scale kit...
but i'm really looking forward 2 this one.

who was it that said: "To finish first, you must first finish !" ?
or at least decide what u r going 2 build, LOL !!!

frosty Smile [:)]

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