F1 Group Build

but just 2 prove i haven't been idle, here's some wip pix of another project that's been

keeping me busy:

it is a kitbash of the monogram chaparral 2d coupe & the revell 360 modena spider kit,

i call it the 'mocharena'... kind of a GT thing, not F1 but almost as fast...

sorry 2 b off-topic, but ih ope u enjoy the pix anyway !

 

frosty

 

Frosty, I was about to say you can work on the rest of the car while the paint cures... But okay, now there's evidence of other activity. Don't take this comment the wrong way, but it's an absolutely gorgeous piece of work for the aluminium(?) of the floor/interior. For all the other detail and effort, that really caught my eye. Nothing against the rest, just looks really stunning! What did you use?

As for progress... The rear suspension subsection (still not completed) needs to be attached to the main body. Started cleaning up the main resin body cowling. What a job! Only did the rough work with files. Quite a lot of mould marks to be files off, some of them on real crappy places. Apart from that, all the edges and ends needed cleaning up. So the filework is basically done, the finer sanding will be done (hopefully) during this week. By that time the pre-build of the rear suspension might be done and all can start coming together - before being taken apart again!

Il Leone: Thought along those kinda lines initially. I unfortunately do not have the space for that solution.  Apart from that I have 2 labs, so the pieces will have to be super-glued to the board to remain more or less where you left it! But thanks for the idea! Think I will just go for the splitting of parts in seperate bags...

The BT46b has ben rather shaded by the SRC Ferrari. I have dry fitted most of the parts, just finishing off the rear suspension. Everything has gone together very well considering its a 20 yr old kit. It'll be basically OTB but I'll add plug leads and brake lines, the later because they were quite prominant and the former because the rear bodywok is removable. And just to be different it will be yellow as raced in Belgium in 1961. I hope to take a picture of it all dry fitted (all held to gether with Krystal Kleer Seabee) next weekend - forecast to be wet so what else to do apart from being otherwise occupied in the model room!

Nicholma, a quick stupid question. What exactly is Krystal Kleer? I've not seen it around here. If you can explain to me what kind of product it is, maybe I can find something similar around here...

Hey nicholma, looking forward to this fan car. I'm not familiar with the yellow colouring though. Was that a customer car?

Regards

Shaun

Hey SeaBee

Krystal Kleer is a product marketed by ModelScale(?). It's basically a low viscosity version of PVA glue & is very useful to form canopies or windows etc in small spaces, on models.

Regards

Shaun

Krystal Kleer is produced by Micro Scale.  You an find is at Squadron or other large supply places.  I think it is similar to jewelers glue for watch crystals or similar items.  It has its uses or in the alternative a little watered down Elmers white glue works just as well for holding windscreens in places.  To be honest, I never found much difference between good white glue and Krystal Kleer, other than the price. 

SeaBEE:

& after all that work converting & scratchbuilding, u say u like the paint ???

sheesh..... & a huge LOL !!!  

it is often the simple solutions which r the best, & in this case it couldn't get any simpler...

the cockpit tub was sprayed w/ rattlecan paint, i used tamiya gloss aluminum 4 that IIRC. 

the heat shields under the exhaust pipes r household aluminum foil applied shinier side down over superglue,

& the radiator was done w/ model master aluminum non-buffing metalizer, brush painted on.

i am trying 2 vary the shades of black & aluminum on the different parts of the car,

glad u liked the effect in the pit & thanx 4 noticing !

 it is kind of funny what elements of a build will strike one's fancy, LOL again.

i just hope i can do a nice finish on the outside of the car eventually, too !

hoping 2 begin work on the F2001 over the weekend if all goes well...

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody !

 

frosty

I thought you all might be interested in this. It's a petition to get Warner Bros. to release Grand Prix on DVD. Here's a link to the site.

http://www.putgrandprixondvd.com/default.asp

Haha, sorry Frosty! Told you that you should not take it the wrong way!

Aah, now I know what Krystal Kleer is - I use something similar from Testors which I was able to pick up locally. White glue is actually a good idea for the pre-build to keep everything together. Might give that a bash whenever I get to building again. Just went on standby and then building goes out the window... Maybe I'm lucky and I can get something done some time.

Grand Prix, one of the greatest movies ever made.  Nothing since has proved its equal. 

Hey Frosty, are you like me?  How many different shades of black can you use in a car to at least get a sense of depth?  I'm still looking for more variations.  Testors semi-gloss black, aircraft interior black, black chrome trim, flat black.  Poly S does some interesting shades as well, Oily black is ok.  BTW, nice work on a Mocharena.  Should have gone with a Testarossa engine, (more power!)  but that is way cool! 
Seabee:  Labs?  Those tails are dangerous!  Glad I have a Cavalier! 

Happy Thanksgiving  and best wishes to all for the holiday season. 

Il Leone wrote:

Seabee:  Labs?  Those tails are dangerous!  Glad I have a Cavalier!

Well of topic but Newfoundlands or Pyrenean Mountain Dogs now they are real dogs, wish I still had one.

shaun68 wrote:

...... I'm not familiar with the yellow colouring though. Was that a customer car?

Hang on while I get my reference book........ In 1961 a 156 was entered under the auspicous of Equipe National Belge in the Belgian GP for Olivier Gendebien who was one of Ferrari's regular sportscar drivers. He came 4th behind the 3 regular works Ferraris.

Cheers

Bugger the tails, the curiosity...

SeaBee:  ROFL!!  I agree with Newfs, great dogs if you don't mind a constant leak in the front end! 

Nicholma:  WOW!  I bow to the all knowing F1 god.  Curious, what book are you using for reference there? 

Hang on again while I go and get it again !! ......................................

Ferrari - The Grand Prix Cars by Alan Henry published by Hazelton in about 1984.

I have heaps of reference books and enjoy that side of it as much as building the models.

I got a little more done on the McLaren. I finished the engine and gearbox now I'm working on the cockpit.

All I can say is wow.    That is seriously impressive.  Couple of questions, what did you use for paint on the bodywork?  Also the injectors and trumpets, is that aftermarket?  The AN fittings are very nice, the more you look, the more you see, great work!

That is stunning work, my friend. Take it, that's the 1/12 version? There's so much more you can do in that scale, & so little space to keep them.

Hey, anyone got any idea where I can find lower price (say around 10 to 15 bucks) plexiglass display cases for 1/20 F1 cars, or even better for 1/12 F1 cars??  I don't think the 8X11 wood bases (don't got covers anyways) i got from Ragshop is going to fit the MP4/6.  = (

Thanks for the comments guys. I'm really having fun building this one. ll Leone the paint is pure white from the new testors laquer and gloss red from the testors little square bottles. It looks more red in person the flash from the camera made it look a little orange. The trumpets are kit parts I added screens made from brass mesh formed over a tool I made.

Archangel I've bought display cases from this place. Good service and prices especially if you order in bulk.    http://www.displaycasesinc.com/diecast.htm

mkhoot:  Thanks for the link!  I got one of their cases at a show years ago and really like it.  But I could never find out where to get another one! 

mkhoot:

that is looking really fantastic !

fittings, wiring & plumbing, oh my....

 

frosty

Yes looking fantastic. What did you make the mesh over thr trumpets out of?

 

Thanks nicholma, I used some brass mesh I found in the railroad section of my hobby shop and a tool i made awhile back to press it into shape.

Mark, that Mclaren is looking good!

What a good weekend for eff-ups... and no exception on the R25. Got my white glue at last, so started seriously pre-building the rear section. The bottom suspension needed a bit of a twist to get it properly alligned. Houston, we have.... our first WM suspension break! Oh well, it is glued back together and will be sanded down this evening.

These kits aren't that intricate to assemble. But boy, the preparation work is an eye-opener! I spent quite a lot of time jsut to be able to glue together the rear brake ducts! Hopefully I will add that and the rest of the rear suspension to the pre-build of the rear end this evening. Meanwhile body preparation is coming along nicely as well. Might start adding the first parts to that sometime during the week.

All experiences resin kit builders, here's your key to start laughing... I am most likely making all the errors you once made...

This is getting "interesting" now. So much for my positive thoughts of progress yesterday. Nothing fits! Not without tampering, that is...
A bit of super-glue in the one hole did not help, so it had to be re-hollowed to get one suspension arm to fit. Then, easy, you screw the bottom suspension arms (allready fixed to the "block") to the brake intake assembly. First time holding it together. Nope, the hole in the suspension is not even close to alligned to the hole in the brake. File the arms a bit more, alligned. Right, take screw, put it through hole. Hole too small. Okay, fix that, then it should just screw into hole in brake assembly. It seems that needs to be drille out as well (but obviously not too large...) Which I though was a good point to leave everything "as is" and return tonight!

Still, I like it a lot. A learning curve like I have not had in a long time with a model. I now understand why adding suspension parts and wings to a curbside body is rated "for experienced modelers"!

SeaBee:  Hang in there!  I "think" I know what is going on here.  The micro screws for the suspension are the only ones I use in the kit.  Those screws to hold the body to the pan, throw them out.  Fill the holes on the tray and forget it.  Screw resin together is just begging to crack the model use epoxy to join the body to the tray.  On that note, forget superglue.  Get some 5 minute epoxy and use that for all the suspension parts.  This will hold much better than superglue.  Ok, on to the suspension.  Use a slightly undersize, and I mean one size under, drill bit on the brake ducts.  Start the screw, when it starts to bind up, back it out and start over.  It will be a tight fit, but when done it should slide in and out real easy.  If you bugger it up, take some superglue and fill the hole then start over.  What you are doing is essentially taping the hole with the screw.  Look very carefully on your brake ducts, the mark for the screw hole should be there, but it will be hard to see.  On the transmission, the resin part.  Use a slightly oversize bit to enlarge all the holes.  Actually, oversize the holes on all the resin suspension pick-ups, flips-ups, mirror attachments, etc.  After you get done priming, painting, clear coating, etc. they will be goobered up and probably need to be enlarged again, this time do it the size you need to get the suspension to slide in and out easily.  Finally, and this seems like a stupid suggestion, check your parts.  I have test fitted the right on the left before when it comes to brake ducts.  It didn't click with me until I realized that things were not lining up.    The suspension parts should not be a tight fit until after you get done painting.  At this point they should slide in and out pretty easy. 

I'm not sure what is up with S27, but this is the first time I have had issues with part fit.  I'm having to really work to get the McLaren going right.  And I feel like I am the slowest one here right now!  I think this is the result of F1 suspensions getting more and more complex.  Makes our life great fun when we try and build the models! 

Hope this helps.  Can't wait to see the photos.  I need to get working on the McLaren more.

Thanks mate! Yes, I saw the marks for the holes. Problem was, I thought it was just a little "clogged" or with a thin bit of WM over the hole for the screw. Alas, now I know it has to be drilled out. I only have one such small bit and it worked fine for the resin holes. (For the other suspension parts). Presume it will be a bit too small for these mini screws, but might try another kit's silver mini screws to tap out the hole initially - at least they have a sharp point... Or do you think that idea is just begging for trouble? Seeing that it's a WM part, I think it should go okay. (This is an idea for the WM holes only, such as the brakes!)

Thanks for the heads-up on the (non-)attachment of the body and floor. And the superglue... I actually have some 5min epoxy, just though superglue'd be easier. But in that case, thanks, I will go for the epoxy.

Well, incredibly, this is still pre-painting and just a pre-build... The only stuff I permanently glued, was the air intake to the rear brake part (not the disc itself). And yes, instructions are quite cryptic! I found myself unfluing and regluing (just PVA in the prebuild) the whole of the bottom suspension arm after seeing I had it upside-down. Initial pic did not show it clearly, another pic showed how it should have been inserted (not the wat I thought!) Own stupidity! That's what pre-builds are for...

Got to agree with suspension complexity and then not to mention the plethora of winglets and stuff hanging off the cars nowadays. Funfunfun... Don't worry, you're by far not the slowest! I think you'll have yours in the display case before I finish the prebuild! But think as soon as I get the hang of it and feel more comfortable in the process, it will get easier.

Seabee sounds like a challenging build but I'm sure you can handle it just take it slow and keep us posted. I had to repaint the body work on my McLaren 3 times and I'm still not 100% satisfied with it.