F1 Group Build

Seabee:
Thanks for the help. We'll see if I can lose the hat here. By the way, awesome Focus. I have never been brave enough to dirty a car. How does the R25 look? Nasty decal job or nasty paint job for you?

Pleasure, man! And thanks for the compliment on the Focus.

R25 at this stage looks like nothing. Weather still holding up, so I'll get on the MTB a few times this weekend, also just heard my wife is not working any more this weekend, so there goes my "peace and quiet"... Building time for the weekend is out the door!

Anyways, to anwer the question: S27 decided (quite wisely) not to trust my masking techniques! So yellow decals have been included. The rest is painting. So a nasty bit of both, mostly decalling.

Furthermore there are some bad graininess on some decals, but upon enquiry to S27 themselves, it was stated a being designed that way. Bit grainey to my liking, but not too bad from a distance, might work out nicely when applied. And way better than scans I saw of the effort from AMD...

My biggest challenge thusfar was to pick the correct light blue! But I decided on one, which can be airbrushed, so will see if it comes out as I hope.

BTW guys, here's a link to the MP4/20 from Red 5 - their build to show off the model...

http://www.redfive.com.br/mp4_20.htm

SeaBee:
Many thanks for the Red 5 site. I MUST have the MP4/20. Let me know if you need some shots of the R25. Got a few pics at Spa this year and could scan them in for you. Interesting your comments on the S27 decals. I will take a closer look at the McLaren tonight. Unusual for them.

QUOTE: Originally posted by SeaBee Frosty, it may be only me, but I tend to use TS49 (bright red) instead of Italian red (TS8?) on the newer Ferrari's. But I have to agree, it goes on very well.

SeaBee:
they actually do call out bright red on the instructions 4 the kit,
but i was trying 2 avoid buying another can of paint, so thought i'd
try the italian red i had on the shelf...
but i guess i'll have 2 bite the bullet now.
i just hope the next coat of paint goes on as smoothly
as the first one did, or i'll b really sore at myself 4 not leaving well
enough alone !

frosty

Here are a couple of photos of the BT46B transkit by Club M.



There is a little flash and pin holes in the resin and white metal exhausts.



This shows how little of the Tamiya body work (the red stuff) will actually end up in the finished kit. I don't think the nose is correct. From the various photos it appears that the nose should slope straight from the front suspension to the tip. Club M has a gentle curve in the top surface. Its probably a bit short but I think it will require a major remake to correct so I'l just accept it as is.

Frosty, never mind me - if it works for you, it works for you! I've done many a thing that is not in the norm, so no worries! I just almost allways have TS49 around, since I tend to do a lot of Marlboro-sponsored cars (Ferrari's, 206's, old Lancer, etc)

Mark, you've got a job... Good luck there!

Il Leone, any additional pics will help, thanks. If you can post it somewhere, I'll grab it. Thanks! The MP4/20 does look a bit more expensive (even through Slick models in Brazil) than the other two, but it might be worth the while. Looks like quite a build, though. As I'm about to start my first MM one, I won't be that ambitious yet.

I really wish that Tamiya will consider MP4/20 in their future release.

Cupcai, I'll settle for ANY modern F1 from Tamiya! Even last years' Minardi (which I thought was quite a good-looking car) as a goodbye to them...

We can only hope that the strengthened Japanese presence will change their minds. At least now we'll see Toyota, Honda and the Suzuki teams. But if Sato in a Honda-powered car could not get them to do a BAR, my hopes aren't all that high.

Totally agree, any future release should be interesting to build. Minardi always wellknown for as pasionate competitor. In my oppinion, the MP4/20 by Red5 would be better if it's done by resin instead of metal. The poorly moulded parts of the suspension and brakes clearly shows.

Cupcai:  Saw the Jag kit from Red 5, as good or better than S27.  I think that was a poor build-up by them as the suspension parts didn't look all that great either. 

SeaBee: If I an figure out this upload business, no prob on the photos.  Finally got the scanner working well.  If you want, I'll email them to you as well. 

Word I have been hearing is Tamiya's F1 kits don't sell enough to meet their expectations.  Also they aren't willing to pay the big buck fees to get the rights to do an F1 car. 

Everyone please check the first page and make sure I have you and your build listed.  If I do not, just post what you are building and I will update the list.

Thanks a bunch!

Ryan

Whoo-hoo, opened the red box and started cleaning the first part... exciting, hey!

 

Anyways, quick one for those that allready built resin kits. The plan is to build the whole thing, get everything alligned, etc. as I see many other do. Then dis-assemble, paint, re-assemble. What should the non-permanent build-up parts be kept together with? You can't very much super-glue the whole rear wing together before taking it apart to paint... Any ideas?

Must NOT join another GB...   need self-control...  n need to finish this year's GBs first.....

Gah I will sign up with a Tamiya 1/20 F310b.  I started on the engine anyways.  Come on, pingtang, it isn't that ugly of a ferrari!!!  angular and lacky in curves, yes, but beats the F50.  Man I just couldn't stand the front of the F50.  I'd say that's one reason they made the enzo a lot edgier.

Some progress has been made on the McLaren.

Body work has been painted the red and white.

Some sub assemblies have been started. I replaced the half shafts with one made from alum. tubing

I meant the Ferrari F310 was ugly, not the F310B. I think the F310B was pretty good looking actually, but the F310 just looked crap. Have a look for yourself:

I think the worst bit is those huge cockpit shoulders. And the nose isn't great either.

 

SeaBee wrote:

Anyways, quick one for those that allready built resin kits. The plan is to build the whole thing, get everything alligned, etc. as I see many other do. Then dis-assemble, paint, re-assemble. What should the non-permanent build-up parts be kept together with? You can't very much super-glue the whole rear wing together before taking it apart to paint... Any ideas?

Greetings SeeBee. I have used Kristal Kleer for this very same purpose. It has good holding properties, although sometimes a frame or jig is necessary to hold the little parts whist drying and of course it all washes off in water. I have used it as a permanent glue on white metal too and after its properly dryed hangs on well eg white metal 1/43rd body to its chassis

Thanks nicholma! I just never realised just how soft these white metal parts are! Started off this morning with the double bottom wishbone for the rear suspension. Just cleaned up the oxidisation and test-fitted... and tried to straighten!
I see a steep learning curve rushing up ahead of me! But that's a big part of why I started off doing this anyways. So it's going to be fun in more ways than one - looking forward to the weekend. Hopefully get some (pre-)building done on this one and get some progress on the Duck and the Subaru as well.

Yes they need to be handled gently. I've also started work on SRC's white metal 1961 Ferrari shark nose in 43rd. It was produced in the early 80's I think so I've had it for a while. Cleaning up the suspension parts needs kid gloves. But the wife's away tomorrow and with inclement weather forecast I hope to get a couple of hours on the BT46b and the Ferrari.

mkhoot wrote:

Some progress has been made on the McLaren.

Looking good. Its a wonderful kit to work on I reckon. I built mine years ago and now wish I'd got another when it was re-released to do again.

nicholma wrote:

Yes they need to be handled gently. I've also started work on SRC's white metal 1961 Ferrari shark nose in 43rd. It was produced in the early 80's I think so I've had it for a while. Cleaning up the suspension parts needs kid gloves. But the wife's away tomorrow and with inclement weather forecast I hope to get a couple of hours on the BT46b and the Ferrari.

43rd... jeez, everything in 43rd needs to ba handed with kids' gloves! I admire you guys for even trying it!

Haha - same boat here! My wife is working tomorrow; afterwards she's off to a kitchen tea. Unfortunately the weather seems to be wonderfull (was that me saying that?!) which means I'll most likely be off biking. So will only be building that much...

43rd you say?  Lemme tell ya about 43rd. 
This is the Tameo WTC Williams FW-11B.  These guys are nuts, they even include a steering rack and it takes 5 pieces to make up a shock!  I'm still recovering from the build...


Build one Williams, build two Williams... This is the Tamiya 1/20 that I decided to modify everything I could find.  S27 detail sets, hi-tech decals, you name it.  I must have been nuts.


Meanwhile, the McLaren is making sloooow progress. 

Seabee:
Since I got this photo posting thing going right now, here are the photos from Spa this year for you.  Watched them do pit stop practice, awesome to see it up close!

Stuning Williams's! Very impressed with the 43rd one!

Thanks for the pics, much appreciated. And congrats one Nige's win!

Got very little progress done on this one. Basically went a little further with the rear suspension test fitting. Drilled holes for it, cleaned up a bit, etc. Before I go any further, I decided to go out and get me a more organised approach to the parts. Will most likely spread them out on something (dark!) and avoid seeking in the little bag after the white metal parts. That way I can do a decent stock-taking as well! Something more learned.

how good are the quality of the Revell kits?  i am thinking about picking up a bunch of the newer ones, that's actually OTHER than tamiya kits. 

Ryan, here's my own view... Yes, they do not fit as well as the Tamiya's. Yes, they do not all have great engin detail. I have built a Jordan EJ10, which is an earlier effort of theirs and had to work at it quite a bit, but it was a nice quick build and made for a very nice curbside model. I had so much fun, I could not stop myself buying the Sauber as well, which I recently completed.

Sauber was a later effort, which actually included some engin detail. Quite basic, but it's there. But the kit went together a lot better than the Jordan. Decals was very good, even for such a scheme. Painting instructions aren't the best, but then again we all tend to rather look at our own reference pics.

So if you want something else, I'd recommend it anytime! Good fun and nice to have more recent models to build (without buying resin). I've seen a stunning build of the Ferrari here: http://www.cifesystem.com/

If that F2003 can't motivate you to try it, I don't know what to tell you! Yes, there was quite some scratch-building going on there. Don't be kidded, it does need a bit of work, but I enjoyed my 2 Revell builds immensely!

Il Leone wrote:

43rd you say?  Lemme tell ya about 43rd.  This is the Tameo WTC Williams FW-11B.  These guys are nuts, they even include a steering rack and it takes 5 pieces to make up a shock!  I'm still recovering from the build... Build one Williams, build two Williams... This is the Tamiya 1/20 that I decided to modify everything I could find.  S27 detail sets, hi-tech decals, you name it.  I must have been nuts. Meanwhile, the McLaren is making sloooow progress.

 

Il Leone:

those r just beautiful, the 1/43 kit is especially nice because the smaller scale isn't

obvious, from the pic it looks 2 have the same level of detail as the 1/20 kit !

looking forward 2 the MP-4 !

progress report:

i have been patiently letting my F2001 kit sit unmolested in its box while the

tamiya rattlecan paint job cures fully. this would b hard 2 do w/ such a great

kit except that i am very busy rite now w/ other projects, not 2 mention lots of

reading 4 school. so i'm actually able 2 keep my hands off long enough that the

paint will b hardened fully by the time i start assembly... so in this case doing

nothing is actually a good thing, LOL !

 

frosty

 

Same here! All I did was to do my stock-taking, but ended up throwing all the pieces back into the bag rather than risk losing a part. The stocktaking did reveal that I only got two parts of an item marked that I should have four. Fortunately HLJ got back to me within hours to tell me they spoke to S27 and it's a mis-print - only two needed.

How do you guys "organize" the WM parts? I thought of stick them on an shoe box lid with cellotape more or less in the same order as in the booklet, but abandoned the idea. Maybe seperate small platic bags - one with large and one with small parts, so the search to the latter does not become imeded by the large ones?

SeaBee wrote:

How do you guys "organize" the WM parts?. Maybe seperate small platic bags - one with large and one with small parts, so the search to the latter does not become imeded by the large ones?

This is exactly what I do usually 3 or 4 different bags holding the parts for different structures. However while I'm working on a model I usually have everything on the bench and only bag them when I have to move on to another kit (bored with the current one!?!).

Hi everyone!
Frosty:  Thanks for the kind words.  That was a 2 year lapse into insanity.  Tameo 43rds are actually not that bad.  I was surprised that the suspension fit as well as it did and only had one bad fit problem. 

Seabee:  I don't remember why I started doing this, but it works really well.  I take an old cookie sheet and lay a cotton rag on top.  This does two things, it makes the small parts show up and keeps painted ones from getting scratched.  Then I organize all the WM parts on this, usually I can get all the kit parts on the tray.  I can take inventory of everything that way and keep track of what is ready to assemble.  The really nice thing is it fits in the drawer or on the shelf when I am not working on that kit. 

I also did the Revell "Bitten Hisses" Jordan.  Yikes!  I was less than impressed with the way the engineered that kit and most of the ones I have seen since then.  If you are just knocking it together, it works ok.  But trying to mask off the body to spray the suspension or polish around that is a nightmare.  The fit was ok, but for plastic Tamiya still rules.  Other than the cost of the kits, I really prefer working in resin.