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Il Leone

Member since
October 2005
From: Shoreview, MN

Posted by Il Leone on Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:23 AM

43rd you say? Lemme tell ya about 43rd.
This is the Tameo WTC Williams FW-11B. These guys are nuts, they even include a steering rack and it takes 5 pieces to make up a shock! I'm still recovering from the build...

Build one Williams, build two Williams... This is the Tamiya 1/20 that I decided to modify everything I could find. S27 detail sets, hi-tech decals, you name it. I must have been nuts.

Meanwhile, the McLaren is making sloooow progress.

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Friday, November 11, 2005 7:01 AM

nicholma wrote:
Yes they need to be handled gently. I've also started work on SRC's white metal 1961 Ferrari shark nose in 43rd. It was produced in the early 80's I think so I've had it for a while. Cleaning up the suspension parts needs kid gloves. But the wife's away tomorrow and with inclement weather forecast I hope to get a couple of hours on the BT46b and the Ferrari.

43rd... jeez, everything in 43rd needs to ba handed with kids' gloves! I admire you guys for even trying it!

Haha - same boat here! My wife is working tomorrow; afterwards she's off to a kitchen tea. Unfortunately the weather seems to be wonderfull (was that me saying that?!) which means I'll most likely be off biking. So will only be building that much...

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nicholma

Member since
September 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nicholma on Friday, November 11, 2005 5:22 AM

mkhoot wrote:

Some progress has been made on the McLaren.

Looking good. Its a wonderful kit to work on I reckon. I built mine years ago and now wish I'd got another when it was re-released to do again.

Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"

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nicholma

Member since
September 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nicholma on Friday, November 11, 2005 5:19 AM

Yes they need to be handled gently. I've also started work on SRC's white metal 1961 Ferrari shark nose in 43rd. It was produced in the early 80's I think so I've had it for a while. Cleaning up the suspension parts needs kid gloves. But the wife's away tomorrow and with inclement weather forecast I hope to get a couple of hours on the BT46b and the Ferrari.

Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Friday, November 11, 2005 1:38 AM

Thanks nicholma! I just never realised just how soft these white metal parts are! Started off this morning with the double bottom wishbone for the rear suspension. Just cleaned up the oxidisation and test-fitted... and tried to straighten!
I see a steep learning curve rushing up ahead of me! But that's a big part of why I started off doing this anyways. So it's going to be fun in more ways than one - looking forward to the weekend. Hopefully get some (pre-)building done on this one and get some progress on the Duck and the Subaru as well.

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nicholma

Member since
September 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nicholma on Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:54 PM

SeaBee wrote:

Anyways, quick one for those that allready built resin kits. The plan is to build the whole thing, get everything alligned, etc. as I see many other do. Then dis-assemble, paint, re-assemble. What should the non-permanent build-up parts be kept together with? You can't very much super-glue the whole rear wing together before taking it apart to paint... Any ideas?

Greetings SeeBee. I have used Kristal Kleer for this very same purpose. It has good holding properties, although sometimes a frame or jig is necessary to hold the little parts whist drying and of course it all washes off in water. I have used it as a permanent glue on white metal too and after its properly dryed hangs on well eg white metal 1/43rd body to its chassis

Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:04 PM

I meant the Ferrari F310 was ugly, not the F310B. I think the F310B was pretty good looking actually, but the F310 just looked crap. Have a look for yourself:

I think the worst bit is those huge cockpit shoulders. And the nose isn't great either.

-Daniel

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mkhoot

Member since
January 2004
From: Westland. MI USA

Posted by mkhoot on Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:52 PM

Some progress has been made on the McLaren.

Body work has been painted the red and white.

Some sub assemblies have been started. I replaced the half shafts with one made from alum. tubing

When in doubt just build it. Mark http://www.ipmslivonia.org/ipms/

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archangel571

Member since
June 2005
From: NJ 07073

Posted by archangel571 on Wednesday, November 9, 2005 12:47 PM

Must NOT join another GB... need self-control... n need to finish this year's GBs first.....

Gah I will sign up with a Tamiya 1/20 F310b. I started on the engine anyways. Come on, pingtang, it isn't that ugly of a ferrari!!! angular and lacky in curves, yes, but beats the F50. Man I just couldn't stand the front of the F50. I'd say that's one reason they made the enzo a lot edgier.

-=Ryan=- Too many kits... so little free time. MadDocWorks

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Wednesday, November 9, 2005 12:03 AM

Whoo-hoo, opened the red box and started cleaning the first part... exciting, hey! Wink [;)]

Anyways, quick one for those that allready built resin kits. The plan is to build the whole thing, get everything alligned, etc. as I see many other do. Then dis-assemble, paint, re-assemble. What should the non-permanent build-up parts be kept together with? You can't very much super-glue the whole rear wing together before taking it apart to paint... Any ideas?

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

F1 Group Build

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:11 PM

Everyone please check the first page and make sure I have you and your build listed. If I do not, just post what you are building and I will update the list.

Thanks a bunch!

Ryan

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Il Leone

Member since
October 2005
From: Shoreview, MN

Posted by Il Leone on Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:10 PM

Cupcai: Saw the Jag kit from Red 5, as good or better than S27. I think that was a poor build-up by them as the suspension parts didn't look all that great either.

SeaBee: If I an figure out this upload business, no prob on the photos. Finally got the scanner working well. If you want, I'll email them to you as well.

Word I have been hearing is Tamiya's F1 kits don't sell enough to meet their expectations. Also they aren't willing to pay the big buck fees to get the rights to do an F1 car.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 7, 2005 1:22 PM

Totally agree, any future release should be interesting to build. Minardi always wellknown for as pasionate competitor. In my oppinion, the MP4/20 by Red5 would be better if it's done by resin instead of metal. The poorly moulded parts of the suspension and brakes clearly shows.

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Monday, November 7, 2005 8:16 AM

Cupcai, I'll settle for ANY modern F1 from Tamiya! Even last years' Minardi (which I thought was quite a good-looking car) as a goodbye to them...

We can only hope that the strengthened Japanese presence will change their minds. At least now we'll see Toyota, Honda and the Suzuki teams. But if Sato in a Honda-powered car could not get them to do a BAR, my hopes aren't all that high.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 7, 2005 5:56 AM

I really wish that Tamiya will consider MP4/20 in their future release.

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Monday, November 7, 2005 1:09 AM

Frosty, never mind me - if it works for you, it works for you! I've done many a thing that is not in the norm, so no worries! I just almost allways have TS49 around, since I tend to do a lot of Marlboro-sponsored cars (Ferrari's, 206's, old Lancer, etc)

Mark, you've got a job... Good luck there!

Il Leone, any additional pics will help, thanks. If you can post it somewhere, I'll grab it. Thanks! The MP4/20 does look a bit more expensive (even through Slick models in Brazil) than the other two, but it might be worth the while. Looks like quite a build, though. As I'm about to start my first MM one, I won't be that ambitious yet.

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nicholma

Member since
September 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nicholma on Saturday, November 5, 2005 11:19 PM

Here are a couple of photos of the BT46B transkit by Club M.

There is a little flash and pin holes in the resin and white metal exhausts.

This shows how little of the Tamiya body work (the red stuff) will actually end up in the finished kit. I don't think the nose is correct. From the various photos it appears that the nose should slope straight from the front suspension to the tip. Club M has a gentle curve in the top surface. Its probably a bit short but I think it will require a major remake to correct so I'l just accept it as is.

Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 4, 2005 2:32 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by SeaBee

Frosty, it may be only me, but I tend to use TS49 (bright red) instead of Italian red (TS8?) on the newer Ferrari's. But I have to agree, it goes on very well.

SeaBee:
they actually do call out bright red on the instructions 4 the kit,
but i was trying 2 avoid buying another can of paint, so thought i'd
try the italian red i had on the shelf...
but i guess i'll have 2 bite the bullet now.
i just hope the next coat of paint goes on as smoothly
as the first one did, or i'll b really sore at myself 4 not leaving well
enough alone !

frosty Smile [:)]

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Il Leone

Member since
October 2005
From: Shoreview, MN

Posted by Il Leone on Friday, November 4, 2005 11:29 AM

SeaBee:
Many thanks for the Red 5 site. I MUST have the MP4/20. Let me know if you need some shots of the R25. Got a few pics at Spa this year and could scan them in for you. Interesting your comments on the S27 decals. I will take a closer look at the McLaren tonight. Unusual for them.

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Friday, November 4, 2005 8:17 AM

BTW guys, here's a link to the MP4/20 from Red 5 - their build to show off the model...

http://www.redfive.com.br/mp4_20.htm

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Friday, November 4, 2005 8:07 AM

Pleasure, man! And thanks for the compliment on the Focus.

R25 at this stage looks like nothing. Weather still holding up, so I'll get on the MTB a few times this weekend, also just heard my wife is not working any more this weekend, so there goes my "peace and quiet"... Wink [;)]

Building time for the weekend is out the door!

Anyways, to anwer the question: S27 decided (quite wisely) not to trust my masking techniques! So yellow decals have been included. The rest is painting. So a nasty bit of both, mostly decalling.

Furthermore there are some bad graininess on some decals, but upon enquiry to S27 themselves, it was stated a being designed that way. Bit grainey to my liking, but not too bad from a distance, might work out nicely when applied. And way better than scans I saw of the effort from AMD...

My biggest challenge thusfar was to pick the correct light blue! But I decided on one, which can be airbrushed, so will see if it comes out as I hope.

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Il Leone

Member since
October 2005
From: Shoreview, MN

Posted by Il Leone on Friday, November 4, 2005 12:20 AM

Seabee:
Thanks for the help. Dunce [D)]

We'll see if I can lose the hat here. By the way, awesome Focus. I have never been brave enough to dirty a car. Bow [bow]

How does the R25 look? Nasty decal job or nasty paint job for you?

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Thursday, November 3, 2005 11:45 PM

Il Leone: You have to upload your pic(s) somewhere such as Photobucket. Then use that url to link to there... Mostly a full url with IMG placeholders are provided, but if not you can go to the proper "reply to topic" page, from there use the "insert image". There should be IMG and /IMG placeholders (or something like that) on either side of the url...

As to the Red5 kits, MMH has been more expensive on the previous releases as well. Maybe try one of the US shops, is what I'd suggest.

As for Red5 and the GPM... we'll just have to see! Maybe some of the wily old foxes will outsmart the lion... Wink [;)]

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Il Leone

Member since
October 2005
From: Shoreview, MN

Posted by Il Leone on Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:04 PM

Ok folks, perhaps someone wiser than I can answer this. How do you upload a photo to here? Anyway, have a photo of the McLaren and a Williams that I finished about a month ago.

Oh BTW, for de-chroming parts, try liquid bleach. I stick the parts in the tupperware and pour on the bleach. No smell, no scrubbing and clean parts after a few minutes.

May the Red 5 rule the Grand Prix Masters!!!

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 3, 2005 7:56 AM

I would like to get in how about a 1/20 MP4/8 Marlboro with Studio 27 markings and seatbelts. Rene'

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Thursday, November 3, 2005 4:55 AM

Hey Mark, I've put my pics of the dirtied focus up on the General Auto forum - on P2 (at least) by now... I must admit, I got confused between you and Joel in the post, sorry!

Good luck with this one!

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nicholma

Member since
September 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nicholma on Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:04 AM

Hi SeaBee I've nearly finished the rallycar GB!!!

As usual research into the BT46b has taken several enjoyable hours, found some really good stuff for the BT46 and then came across some photos of the 46B taken at Goodwood a couple of years ago, including a cockpit shot so maybe some extra detailing coming up!

Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"

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SeaBee

Member since
March 2004
From: Paarl, South Africa

Posted by SeaBee on Thursday, November 3, 2005 12:23 AM

Frosty, it may be only me, but I tend to use TS49 (bright red) instead of Italian red (TS8?) on the newer Ferrari's. But I have to agree, it goes on very well.

I am decalling the Sauber at this stage, might be able to start (at last!) on the R25. Then again, looks like we're going to have such a nice weekend weatherwise that I might be cycling a lot, rather than staying indoors!

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Il Leone

Member since
October 2005
From: Shoreview, MN

Posted by Il Leone on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 4:55 PM

RE: Red 5 kits. I saw the Jag R5 kit and it is awesome! The early production bodies were really rough and would need alot of smoothing before a decent finish could be had. But they are everything they say and more. I'm thinking I will need to add the McLaren to my collection. And the Jag looked so cool, so maybe....

Frosty: brave one! I have never had sucess with rattle can. The Tamiya color is not bad, just not accurate enough for me. The best results I have had, color wise, were with Finisher's 2-step process and BBR finger nail polish. The Ferrari color is real hard to get right.

As for mine, the MP4/19B is slowly making progress. All the parts are cleaned up and the body is nearly ready for primer. Few more things to get done and then fire up the airbrush and MCW. Woo hoo!

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:34 PM

Seabee,
You're right, it's a all metal kit with full detail including cockpit and engine. Just saw it in Mediamixhobby and the price simply beyond my reach. The kit look pretty impresive.

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