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Battle of Britain GB 2006 - 1 May to 31 Oct 06

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:19 PM
 Trmn8tor wrote:

Tah Tah For Now

It is a Tigger thing.  Jay, as a first time Dad consider the following points, cause there is a quiz later...

Baby cakca is nature's version of velcro.

The Wiggles, Telly Tubbies and any other young children's program will cause you to drink more than ever before.

Taking that 4 am feeding will generate more husband bonus points than flowers, but only until the 4 am feedings stop.

If you wife is due after Mother's Day, get her a card any way...HUGE points to be earned.

During labor while she is hooked up to monitors do not...

1.   Walk in eating anything from McDonald's

2.   continue reading once the labor pains really start

and finally...

3.   She may say she loves the man who gives her the epidural, but it only the drugs talking.

(learned about #1 & #2 personally, the hard way)

 

CRAP !  I forgot to log my son off again!

 

Jay-What JoeRugby said AND:

Bring flowers to the hospital after the birth

Plan/prepare meals (dinner) for at least a week or two

As the baby gets older/you get comfortable being alone with him/her, give your wife (your child's mother) a "pass" to go out alone or with friends.  For us, it turned into "Big Guy Day" on Saturdays-lunch @ McDonalds or K-Mart along with many other activities....kinda miss it....they grow up too quick...

 

Bob

 

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Posted by Cudamav on Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:16 PM

  Joe, my wife got a good chuckle when I told her the velcro comment.  We are due with our first child in July, and I am taking mental notes.   I am hearing too many terrible stories about childbirth, so it is nice to see some true things that make you laugh.

Jay, it is nice to see another Dad to be on here too.  Congrats!

~Jason "Not all who wander are lost"
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Posted by darson on Friday, March 31, 2006 4:05 AM

Jay and Jason, just don't get caught the way I did. 

I had the video camera rolling recording the POST match interviews if you know what I mean and under instructions from the boss I'd checked that battery on the stupid thing about 50 times and even had a spare in my pocket.  What I failed to check was how much film I had left in the camera Shock [:O]

Let me tell you I felt like that more sap from True Lies who is filming the bad guy leader do his thing and sweating big time when the low battery indicator comes on, only I had the end of tape indicator come up and guess what, no spare.  Drug crazed exhausted females don't take kindly to err honey I'm kinda out of tape Smile [:)]

Oh yeah everybody, I have just updated the rosters so can you give them a glance to make sure they are correct?

Cheers

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Posted by JoeRugby on Friday, March 31, 2006 6:45 AM

Jason, Congrats!  Hang on for the greatest ride of your life!  You know I heard those same horror stories as well...and none of them are really true.  But you will be surprised what you and your wife start talking about...

MODELLING QUESTION (shocker)

These stencils for German Mottle camo, are they worth it?  The Emil I am considering is mottled, nothing like the Gustav's though.  In fact of the ones I have looked at, I am not really sure early camo is part of the deal...anyway...what say you all on the stencils?

 

 

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Posted by jboutin on Friday, March 31, 2006 9:43 AM

Hey Jason, Congrats!  It's pretty neat knowing I am contributing to the advancement of our species.  My office is kind of crazy, there are at east 5 people that I know of that are either pregnant or their wives are pregnant.  My older sister is also pregnant (#3 for her) and due two weeks before my wife, and my cousin's wife is also pregnant and due around the same time!  Exciting times in my family.  JoeRugby, I am totally taking notes and about the Mothers Day thing, I am all over it!  There is a model show here that weekend so I really have to be extra careful. 

So Jason, you're from Music City Eh?  The company I work for has an office there and there has been talk of sending one of my GIS group down for some training.  Just rumblings at the moment but being a soon-to-be-new dad, I'm not sure I really want to be the one as it would have to be for more than three weeks.Sad [:(]  Whats Nashville like as a city?

JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 31, 2006 6:21 PM

Well firstly id like to apologise for my abscence lately guys, thus far 2006 has not been a good year on my end and unfortunatly modeling has been put aside while Other matters are resolved.......

 

Anyways the list on page one seems to be strangly Spitfireless so Darren old buddy you better put me down for a MK 1.....

 

Chris G Sorry brother but i've only just managed to get that parcel off to you so you should have it in a week or two, oh and i hope you don't mind but i couldn't resist the temtation and i opened the box to have a look, your gonna enjoy this kit, it has all the trimmings of a typical Accurate Minituares model...

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, March 31, 2006 6:39 PM
Jules-good to see you back.  Hope you get your Other matters resolved soon.

Bob

 

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Posted by darson on Friday, March 31, 2006 6:45 PM
 j.s.harrison wrote:

Well firstly id like to apologise for my abscence lately guys, thus far 2006 has not been a good year on my end and unfortunatly modeling has been put aside while Other matters are resolved.......

Anyways the list on page one seems to be strangly Spitfireless so Darren old buddy you better put me down for a MK 1.....

Jules I'm sorry to hear that things haven't been great this year and I hope you can resolve your other matters soon, but it is great to see you back on line Thumbs Up [tup].

I'll do an update on the roster later on and mark you down for a Spity.

Cheers

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 31, 2006 6:55 PM

Thanks guys it's good to be backThumbs Up [tup]

I just checked my stash and unbeleivably i don't have a Spit MK 1, i have a large number of other Mk's V's, VIII's, IX's, XIV's and even a FRMK 24 seafire as well as a Supermarine seaplane S6, so it looks like a trip to the LHS is in order....

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, March 31, 2006 7:28 PM
Jules - in case the email didn't go through I got your package... thanks so much!!!  I'll have something going your way soon, not as extravagant but just some meoirs of where I live.
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by osher on Friday, March 31, 2006 7:29 PM
 j.s.harrison wrote:
Anyways the list on page one seems to be strangly Spitfireless so Darren old buddy you better put me down for a MK 1.....


The Allies are outnumbered by the Axis powers.  All in all, an accurate reflection of the order of battle!  What was the ratio of Hurricanes to Spitfires? 3:1 ?  If so, we're bang on target.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 31, 2006 8:38 PM
Is it too late to join in on the fun?I would like to be in,maybe with a martlet?
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Posted by darson on Friday, March 31, 2006 8:50 PM

No problems Nick, just let me know when you're sure you know what you're building and I'll add you to the duty roster.

Cheers

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 31, 2006 9:45 PM
 tho9900 wrote:
 

P.S - That's a brilliant roster!

I agree Tom, love the roster Darren, i noticed the rank thing and i think i should be put down as a Wing Commander or maybe even an Air Vice Marshall but thats only if i can get a "Kremp" approval of course.....

Tom sorry mate i've only just looked at the emails, i havn't been going anywhere near the PC or the model bench much lately but i'm hopeing that a new GB and you "Usual suspects" will help me to get the modeling mojo back again...  Glad you got your parcel ok and i'm glad to back building with you againThumbs Up [tup]

Well i just got home from the LHS and i'm now enriched with another 1/48 Tamiya Spitfire, tonight i'll hit the books and decide which particular A/C to build.......

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 31, 2006 11:18 PM
OK so i found me a Spitfire to build and the decals are available from eaglestrike, Looks like i'll be building the tamiya 1/48 Spitfire MK1a PR-Q of Flg Off John Dundas from 609 SQD flying out of Middle Wallop during Aug 1940......But on the same decal sheet you get Sqd Ldr Brian lane's QV-K with the yellow spinner but i still reckon the Dundas machine will suit me better........
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, April 1, 2006 6:45 AM

 PakNicK-40 wrote:
Is it too late to join in on the fun?I would like to be in,maybe with a martlet?

Did someone say Martlet?  ::nervous twitch::

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, April 1, 2006 6:47 AM
Jules - no prob... and it is great to have ya back... Kremps has been asking about ya again... she get's a little teary eyed and sometimes cries in her borcht when she talks about that trip to burma you two made!  Wink [;)]
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Saturday, April 1, 2006 7:31 AM
long time no see jules.

Just wondering, I have another kit, but I am probably going to start it slightly before this GB starts. Would it still be eligible? I guarantee I will be working on it for the entire time of the GB anyway. If not, I understand. The kit is tamiya mk. I spitfire, aires cockpit, aires gunbays, aires engine, squadron canopy, true details bulged wheels, eduard photoetch, and various decals.

Another question- would anyone be willing to post some profiles of spitifires here? (that took part in BoB of course) I want to make an interesting plane, and the decals I have allow me to make anything in the RAF anyway.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 1, 2006 11:28 PM
Thanks for letting me join up!Have any ideas on where to find decals?
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Posted by darson on Sunday, April 2, 2006 10:45 PM

Jules I think you have definitely picked the best Spit on that sheet to do.  I was toying with the idea of another Spit for this build and I found that decal sheet online and was going to pick that same aircraft mostly because I like the underwing roundels which I think add a little color.

Tanky I'll see what I can find in the way of BoB Spitfire profiles and get back to you.  Also, sorry but your other kit will have to either wait for the start of the build or it won't be eligible.

Nick I think Tom is your man when it comes to Martlets.  I know he got a fairly extensive sheet covering FAA Martlets.  I think it's this one but I'm not sure.

http://www.eaglestrikeproductions.com/cgi-bin/amd2.pl

I was doing some research last night for my build and realised that the kit decals I was going to use are completely wrong for the BoB (I think).  More research needed here for sure.

Cheers

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, April 3, 2006 7:05 AM

Nick - Go to that Eaglestrike page, leave the 48 in scale, drop down aircraft type and choose Martlet... this is the one you want for markings: -=edit=- actually just click on the name below and it takes you to the page showing you which set... somehow I copied the correct link over when I cut and pasted the info...

 48-548 : Grumman Martletts & Wildcats    (Martlet, Mk I, II, III, V, VI)

I'll look around for the ref I have on modding the F4F to a Martlet Mk I.  there's a few differences like the outer intake on the cowl needs to be sanded off I think, and the cowl flaps need to be modded a bit but it's nothing extensive... all you'll need is some putty, sandpaper and something to scribe the correct cowl flaps with...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by darson on Monday, April 3, 2006 8:55 AM

Tom & Nick, the info you are both looking for is on pages 17 & 18 of Squadron / Signal's F4F Wildcat in Action.  I can scan it for you if you want.

Cheers

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Posted by jboutin on Monday, April 3, 2006 9:57 AM

So I've ordered the FCM 1:72 battle of Britain decal sheet which has over 20 aircraft that participated in the BoB.Thumbs Up [tup]  Actually if you got the BoB mag published by FSM last year, it is the same decals used for the Bf-110 and Ju88 in the mag.  I will be doing Hans Joachim Jabs' Bf-110.  I think he had 12 victories during the BoB and went on to get a lot more during the rest of the war.

I also ordered the Falcon Clearvax Luwaffe set #15 which has the only 1:72 vacuformed canopy for the Bf-110 I can find.  It may be the weakest link in my build as the LHS owner said they are hard to come by. 

After further review of the Airfix Bf-110 kit, it is going to take some work to make it look good.  I'll be spending about 4 times as much on extras as the kit is worth!  But I'll have fun doing it!Tongue [:P]

Darren you are using photobucket for the roster aren't you.  I can't see it from work!

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Posted by JoeRugby on Monday, April 3, 2006 11:10 AM

Jay,

Good luck on the -110...

Does any one know if there are mottle stencils available for BoB 109's?  All the ones that I found cover later war period.

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Posted by osher on Monday, April 3, 2006 12:16 PM
 JoeRugby wrote:
Does any one know if there are mottle stencils available for BoB 109's?  All the ones that I found cover later war period.
  I believe the Airwaves stencil is OK, but not 100% sure.
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, April 3, 2006 6:11 PM
Darren - I've got it... that must have been what I was thinking of.  I think Daniel sent me something else too last yr for the N. Africa one I did... I'll have to dig around as I had a ton of references dug up on them by the second Martlet...  which I feel like doing another of as soon as a GB pops up where I can fit my kit in! 
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, April 3, 2006 7:50 PM

Nick - here are a few references on the varying Martlet models.  you would want to build the Martlet Mk I, specifically called out on one of the provided websites as having only the upper carburator intake scoop (you'll have to sand or cut out the inner cowl scoops) and no cowl flaps.  Just putty them up a bit above the level of the plastic and sand it down to get rid of the ones on the kit.  It seems all the other variations for that particular model were internal so you wouldn't see them.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avwcat.html (pay attention to the mention of the French order of Wildcats about 1/3 down the page.  These were the Martlets flown in the BoB. to qoute:

"The French variant was the Grumman "G-36A", to be fitted with the Wright R-1820-G205A Cyclone 9-cylinder single-row radial engine with 750 kW (1,000 HP) and driving an uncuffed Hamilton Standard propeller. It was fitted with a shortened cowling, with an inlet in the upper lip but no flaps in the rear. The G-36A was to have fixed wings and six 7.5 millimeter Darne machine guns, with two in the nose cowling and two in each wings. The guns and other French kit such as radio and gunsight, were to be installed after delivery. The French ordered 81 plus 10 complete sets of spares."

The intake on the F4F-4 kit is a little too high but it will work good enough to give the representation of the Mk.I  Also I *believe* the Brits only put the guns in the wing on these particular aircraft.. so two guns per wing.  You can sand and putty the third one off.

http://fleetairarmsig.netfirms.com/articles/martlet/scottspencer-martlet/martlet.html

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/martlettipe_1.htm   (I wish I had found these pics when I did my BoB Martlet way back when, a lot different than the decal call out sheet, especially the demarcation line.)

If you want to be very realistic, here's the rough pattern you will need to cut out of the floor of the cockpit.  If it is the Tamiya kit there are definite markers you can use to go by to cut it out.  Namely a raised center stripe, just cut towards that and that will be the center post for the seat.  The cutouts were to allow the pilot to see through the lower windows in the belly.

I've got some more references so if you run into a snag let me know.. I'll see what I can dig up for ya!!

-=edit=- sorry... my exhuberance over another Martlet being built got the best of me... I built my first one up almost OOB, only puttying the flaps and rescribing a single line to represent two large flaps as I was reading about the BRITISH Martlets not the French order... feel free to have fun and just build OOB if ya want!  It's a very enjoyable kit and didn't want to give the impression I was a rivet counter... I just love the aircraft!  It was the first US built aircraft to down an Axis plane... almost a yr before we entered the war!  (A FAA Martlet downed a Ju88 over Scapa Flow)  Enjoy!!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by darson on Monday, April 3, 2006 11:10 PM

Hmm one of these days I'm definitely going to do a Martlet, I really like those FAA schemes especially on the F4F.

Ok All, JB mentioned using a vac formed canopy on his Me 110C and that reminded me that I have to use one as well on the Hurricane if I want to display it with the canopy open (which I do).

The only thing is I have never used a vac formed canopy in my life and was wondering if any of you guys have any tips that you could share.  Particularly around removing the canopy from the excess moulded material and what do you use as a brace inside the vac form while you are painting it.

Oh yeah, it's a good thing I checked my references because the decals I was going to use are from early 1941.  Looks like I need to place an order with Mr Aeromaster.

Cheers

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Posted by PanzerWulff on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 2:53 AM

Darren I tend to use a pair of surgical scissors I have to remove most of the excess but after that it is GENTLY sand check and sand some more until it fits emery boards will be your friend  as for bracing it you could use the kit part with the vac form placed over it if the fit is close enough  or again GENTLY press moistened TP (toilet paper/tissue ) or Kleenex and i mean moistened andsquished  almost to a dough consistency  into the inside let it dry out and it will make a custom formed brace for it if you have any difficulty geting it off dunk it in a bowl of tepid ( not warm enough to possibly deform it! ! ! ! ! ! ) water and let the paper fall apart I have used this on 2 of the 5 vac form canopies I have used I got the trick from my LHS owner i hope this helps TTFN

btw How do you guys like my Flying Tigger avatarBig Smile [:D]

ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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Posted by darson on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 5:15 AM
 PanzerWulff wrote:

Darren I tend to use a pair of surgical scissors I have to remove most of the excess but after that it is GENTLY sand check and sand some more until it fits emery boards will be your friend  as for bracing it you could use the kit part with the vac form placed over it if the fit is close enough  or again GENTLY press moistened TP (toilet paper/tissue ) or Kleenex and i mean moistened andsquished  almost to a dough consistency  into the inside let it dry out and it will make a custom formed brace for it if you have any difficulty geting it off dunk it in a bowl of tepid ( not warm enough to possibly deform it! ! ! ! ! ! ) water and let the paper fall apart I have used this on 2 of the 5 vac form canopies I have used I got the trick from my LHS owner i hope this helps TTFN

btw How do you guys like my Flying Tigger avatarBig Smile [:D]

Thanks a hep for that it sounds like great advice and I love the TIGGER

Cheers

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