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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:47 AM

 Hello to everybody in this GB. I found this great forum just for few days so, I'm still a "new kid in (your) town". If is still room and agreement, I'd like to join you with a vehicle in 72nd scale.

The Bilbao armd car and I'll make it in scratchbuild. Thanks.

Alex 

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:43 AM
 quailane wrote:

 espins1 wrote:
Interesting.  I was doing some research, trying to find a photo of Werner Molders Bf109D-1 and I stumbled across the box art an Academy Bf109D with the exact same markings I have but it's with the splinter camouflage.  Does anyone have any reference photos of Molders Bf109D-1 number 6 79, with the Mickey Mouse emblem and "Luchs" painted in front of the cockpit on the cowling?

 Okay, here are some pictures on 6-79. I don't know if you've seen them or not, but here they are. There are three pictures and one profile on this page: http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC19406.HTM

Thanks for the link.  Every photo I've been able to find shows Molders 6*79 in a solid color.  Now the fun part.... trying to mix the paint to get just the right color.  Shock [:O] Wink [;)]

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Posted by U-96 on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:37 AM
for 109s of all marks and theatres, http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/ is an excellent resource for photos and some colour profiles
On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:34 PM

 espins1 wrote:
Interesting.  I was doing some research, trying to find a photo of Werner Molders Bf109D-1 and I stumbled across the box art an Academy Bf109D with the exact same markings I have but it's with the splinter camouflage.  Does anyone have any reference photos of Molders Bf109D-1 number 6 79, with the Mickey Mouse emblem and "Luchs" painted in front of the cockpit on the cowling?

 Okay, here are some pictures on 6-79. I don't know if you've seen them or not, but here they are. There are three pictures and one profile on this page: http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC19406.HTM

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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:38 PM

U, great job on the Dora.

Dave, I can barely see from putting the link and length tracks on, especially the individual links that go around the idler etc.

In future I think I'll stick to 1/48 or 1/35 AFVs, at least I can see them.

Still the hull is together, and all the tracks are on, so I'll start, and most probably finish the paintwork over the weekend!

Karl 

 

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Posted by razordws on Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:07 PM

U-96, Beautiful work on the BF 109.  Looks nice in the Spanish Civil War Colours.

 Karl... I've built one of those in brail scale before.  They are veerrrrrrry tiny!  Hope you have your magnifyer handy.

Dave

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:33 PM

Very nice build U96.  Well done.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:42 PM
Nice work U-96!  Looks great!  Cool [8D] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by U-96 on Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:37 PM

Interesting choice Karl, I used to think those assemble-before-paint tanks were just for the benefit of mag articles and books on modelling. 

I had a single colour scheme on the 1/72 Merkava in my sig, which made things easier, but that was the first AFV I tried to assemble fully before painting. It does work with an airbrush, but for brush-painters, I think it's impossible, still a case of sub-assemblies and superglue.

 As for the Bf-109D... finished! Big Smile [:D]

I need to improve my weathering techniques, but archive photos of SCW birds seem very clean - perhaps because (at least for the Luftwaffe) it was a prestigious thing to be involved with and the groundcrew worked very hard making the planes look good!

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:45 PM

U. you're welcome. Gald to see them being used, rather than moldering away in my decal bank.

Well I went and bought a kit.

I bought a.............

 

 

...........tank!

Italeri's diminutive Panzer 1 in 1/72.

This thing is tiny, all of 6 cm long, with link and length tracks!

I've assembled the lower hull and running gear, and am in the process of attaching the tracks.

I'm going to try and assemble the whole thing before starting the paintwork, something the AFV boys seem to do a lot.

Karl 

 

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Posted by U-96 on Wednesday, November 8, 2006 2:41 PM

KJ200, I must really thank you for those Cutting Edge decals: they are superb, not only in quality, but application - they react and handle as well as one could ever hope. The instructions specifically mention Microscale solvents, so I'm onto a winner with my current inventory of liquid magic.

As regards thinner for the paint, water. Around 10 drops of Xtracrylix to 1 drop of water. Running water through the airbrush between colours, alcohol at the end of a session, and cellulose thinner after a model is complete.  I used around a 5:1 ratio for the addition of white: partly because they were a little dark, and partly for scale colour effect, which I've never been entirely convinced of, but it looks good Big Smile [:D]

Referring to my earlier picture, can anyone spot the (not-so-)deliberate mistake, this being Gotthardt Handrick's kite? 

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by espins1 on Monday, November 6, 2006 3:08 PM
 rjkplasticmod wrote:

Scott, I got the CA kit as soon as it was released.  When they say Limited Run they meen it, although I wouldn't be surprized to see it re-issued some day as it was an extremely popular kit.

Regards,  Rick

Ya I know better now.  I've been keeping my eye on e-bay just in case one pops up.  The 109D I got is very nice though.  I'm dying to build it so I think I'll work on it as I do my P-38 for the Southern Pacific GB.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Monday, November 6, 2006 2:19 PM

Scott, I got the CA kit as soon as it was released.  When they say Limited Run they meen it, although I wouldn't be surprized to see it re-issued some day as it was an extremely popular kit.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by KJ200 on Monday, November 6, 2006 2:18 PM

Scott, front page updated with the new builds.

I've read similar warnings about the intepretation of colours from older photos, colour or B&W. Which is why it always surprises me when people get into arguments about the exact shade of Luftwaffe pink! 

Rick, NMF Emil, sounds interesting!

Karl 

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, November 6, 2006 12:11 PM

Rick,

I'm envious of you and your Classic Airframes Bf109A as that's what I wanted to do for this build with the NMF finish as I really like the way it looks, accurate or not. Wink [;)]

I'm looking forward to seeing your build.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Monday, November 6, 2006 11:56 AM

Good point Scott, even modern B&W film can be misleading, especially greens & reds.  Pro & advanced amatuer photographers use compensating filters when shooting B&W, but the pics of that era did not.  For many years, researchers thought the German AC used in the Spanish Civil War were painted a very light grey.  Recent research using advanced computer color analysis led to the conclusion that they were a light green, possibly RLM02 or RLM62 .  On the very early AC, some researchers argue the AC were actually natural metal with a very thin protective coat of an RLM02 shade of lacquer.  In the 109A kit, Classic gives you markings for an NMF bird.  I haven't found any reference to confirm that's correct, but I may do mine that way just for the heck of it.  A NMF Emil would look kinda cool with the other, more conventional, Emil's in my collection.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, November 6, 2006 11:23 AM

Just in case you guys missed it from the links Karl provided to us on the first page.  I was checking out the first web site and went to this page within the website regarding colors and markings http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/codes.html and found this little caveat that we should all be aware of when doing our research regarding the camouflage schemes and colors (and I quote directly from that link):

"In the 1930s, colour photography was still in its infancy. There are few contemporary colour photograph of aircraft from the Spanish Civil War. It's often forgotten, 'though, that the photographic emulsions used in black-and-white photography in the 1930s were also far from perfect. So-called Panchromatic films, which responded in a similar way to the human eye to the range of colours in a scene, although developed, were far from standard. Most films of the period were far more sensitive to light of some wavelengths and less sensitive to other wavelengths. Typically, for example, green hues would appear much lighter than they were in reality, and red hues much darker. This means that the many black and white photographs that exist of Spanish Civil War aircraft should not be interpreted at face value, and guessing at the colours of aircraft based on such photographs is an endeavour doomed to failure. This can be seen in, for example, the range of shades that appear to adorn the upper surfaces and tails of I-15s in Spain. As far as I know, these aircraft were actually painted in a very consistent colour scheme, with standard VVS AII green upper surfaces, and a presumably fairly standard tricolour on the rudder. However, depending on the film used to take photographs, the relative shade of different parts of the aircraft vary tremendously. For example the yellow, purple or in at least one case, the red section of the tricolour can appear to be the lightest colour in different photographs."

Which explains why when comparing the color chart that came with my Cutting Edge decals and the black and white photos available of Werner Molders Bf109D-1 numbered 6*79 that the colors seem so different.  The directions call for RLM62 which is not unlike a medium green, but if I used the black and white photos it appears that his camo color is much lighter, and almost appear like a light gray, light olive or even a flat silver.  Interesting how the black and white film of the times tended to show the greens much lighter than they actually are and the reds much darker.

So.... keep that in mind when researching your schemes.  Smile [:)]

 

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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, November 5, 2006 4:07 PM

U-96, great job on the Dora.

I know the Academy kit is not as accurate as the CA kit, but having one, it really does build up very nicely.

The paintwork looks great, whatthinner are you using?

As for the decals, I used Gunze's Mr Mark Setter, which worked just fine. If you have any doubts, try your solutions out on one of the decs you don't need for this GB.

Scott, nice choice of kits.

I really like the CR32, such a classic 1930s looking biplane.

Aeromaster do a Spanish Civil War decal set, however the camo is  just as simple as the one used in the CE sheet.

As for me, nothing doing yet.

One more build to complete, then I'll start on a project for this GB.

Karl 

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Posted by U-96 on Sunday, November 5, 2006 3:26 PM

thanks for the comments folks, it's a nice kit to build, and I liked the idea of a simple RLM02/65 scheme having just done a Vietnam SEA scheme Big Smile [:D]

As far as my modelling goes, I'm in a skill-building phase at the moment: little but important things like opening up that intake on the right of the nose, filling seams properly, rescribing, and a neat paint job.  I'm looking forward to dirtying this one up a little Wink [;)]

 

espins1, that CR.32 looks like a real challenge. Love the paint scheme, I seem to remember there's a Crusader or Matilda in Bovington tank museum with very similar desert colours!

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, November 5, 2006 2:08 PM
Looks great U-96!  Can't wait to see more photos!  Smile [:)]

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Posted by razordws on Sunday, November 5, 2006 1:55 PM

U-96, Impressive looking build so far! Thumbs Up [tup]  Looks really nice and clean without the splinter.

 

Scott, two really fun looking builds.  I'm planning on doing the Cr 32 as well but it's an old Supermodel kit in 1/72 scale.  Not sure I qualify for the  "not for the feint of heart" kits yet. Wink [;)]  Looking forward to deeing your builds.

Dave

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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, November 5, 2006 1:06 PM

I can tell already with the CR.32 I'm going to have to paint the upper wing separate from the fuselage and lower wing.  The downside with that is that I'll have to drill my guide holds before I paint so that hopefully everything will go together nicely after the paint.  I'm going to have to make some sort of jig to line up the stuts properly.

Gotta love Classic Airframes, even though these kits are a bit of a challenge, they put out some very interesting subjects! 

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, November 5, 2006 1:02 PM

Good luck with the CA builds Scott.  AS you said, they are not for the faint of heart, although the 109 kits are about their best & easiest to build so far.  The CR42 will be impressive in the box art scheme, but I suspect it will be a bit of a PIA to build.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, November 5, 2006 12:54 PM
Interesting.  I was doing some research, trying to find a photo of Werner Molders Bf109D-1 and I stumbled across the box art an Academy Bf109D with the exact same markings I have but it's with the splinter camouflage.  Does anyone have any reference photos of Molders Bf109D-1 number 6 79, with the Mickey Mouse emblem and "Luchs" painted in front of the cockpit on the cowling?

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 5, 2006 12:30 PM
Is it too late to get in on this one? I've got that Hasegawa BF-109E-3 with Legion Condor markings, and was actually planning to build it pretty soon.
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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, November 5, 2006 12:27 PM

Well, I picked up 2 kits for this build..... (yup, that's the obsessive/compulsive side of my addiction Big Smile [:D]

1/48 Classic Airframes Fiat CR.32 "Spanish Civil War" which is a really cool kit.  Very different from all the rest of the stuff in my stash.  It will be fun figuring out how to paint the camo on a biplane.... lol  I want to do mine just like the box art!

1/48 Classic Airframes Bf109D.  I've always wanted to build one of the Jumo powered 109s.  I really wanted to do an A but being as it was a limited run I couldn't find it anywhere.  I picked up the Cutting Edge decal set CED48264 Early Messerschmitts Part 1.  I just received my goodies yesterday (very fast from www.Great Models.com).  The decal sheet has 3 configurations on it, one B and two Ds.  But only one of the configurations for the D is in Spanish Civil War Markings.  It's a D-1 flown by Werner Molders with the Mickey Mouse emblem on the side.  It calls for a very simple camo pattern of RLM 62 on all the upper surfaces and sides, and RLM 65 on the underside. Very simple.  I was hoping to do one with a splinter camo of RLM62/RLM63 so I may do some more hunting to find another decal set. Below is a picture of the box art.

 

Since this build goes until April, I'm going to try and do both.  These kits are not for the feint of heart.  There is lots of gorgeous resin and PE.  Both of them have beautiful resin cowlings that almost bring a tear to my eye.  LOL  Also, there are no locating pins and the instructions are very tiny.  I took them into work yesterday and blew them up big time on the copier onto 11/14 sheets so I could see the detail.  All over the place are instructions to drill locating holes for the struts, propellers, tail pieces etc.  These will be a challenge.  I'm used to doing Tamiya and Hasegawa kits so I'm pretty excited to try these two out and see if I'm up to them. 

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, November 5, 2006 10:26 AM

Looking good U-96.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by U-96 on Sunday, November 5, 2006 9:53 AM

As this is the only thing on the bench at the moment, and I'm not involved with other GBs at the moment, I've made a decent amount of progress in recent days.

Now all assembled and painted up.  This is the first kit I've used Hannant's Xtracrylix water-based paints on, and once I'd worked out a decent airbrushing consistency, they are very easy to work with - not least because there are no nasty solvents and they clean up with water. I still wear a respirator though, breathing in atomised plastic isn't good for you either! 

Karl - now would be a good point to mention if those Cutting Edge decals respond badly to MicroSol/Set Wink [;)]

 

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Monday, October 30, 2006 6:54 PM

Scott, The Hasegawa 1/48 109E series of kits are very good.  Lacking in the cockpit detail department, but otherwise very nice.  Many experts feel it's more accurate than the Tamiya kit.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, October 30, 2006 6:16 PM

Bummer... talked to Tom at High Sierra Models and he is not able to get me a Classic Airframes Bf109A.  It was a limited run kit and his suppliers are out of stock.  I hunted all over the internet today at the usual suspects (Great Models, Squadron, Tower Hobbies, e-bay etc) and no luck.  I may have to find something else to build.  I suppose I could build a Classic Airframes 109C/D if I can find some aftermarket decals. 

I also saw that Hasegawa has a 1/48 Bf109E-3 kit with Spanish Civil War markings.  Anyone know if that kit is any good?

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