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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, September 7, 2006 3:02 PM

Put me down for a 1/32 Special Hobby Polikarpov I-16 type 10.  Smile [:)]

I read a review of the kit recently and it stated it had 3 sets markings in Soviet Service and 1 set from the Spanish Civil War.  I just opened the kit and it only had the Soviet Markings.  Sad [:(]   Hopefully I can track down some aftermarket decals for this kit.

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Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, September 7, 2006 4:11 PM
Scott, Republican markings are pretty straight foward, usually red wing tips and fuselage band with the tricolour rudder.

See the link below:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC37901.HTM

Shouldn't be too difficult to mask and paint.

Currently looks like I'll kick off this GB with the Bilek rebox of the old Airfix Dorner 17E.

I last built that kit when I was about 12!

Really need to sort a badge out.

Karl


Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, September 7, 2006 4:26 PM

 KJ200 wrote:
Scott, Republican markings are pretty straight foward, usually red wing tips and fuselage band with the tricolour rudder.

See the link below:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC37901.HTM

Shouldn't be too difficult to mask and paint.

Karl

I see what you mean, I've been looking at some color profiles and photographs and I might be able to get away with that approach.  The only gotcha might be any personalized markings, but other than that you're right about being able to mask and paint most of it.

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Posted by JoeRugby on Friday, September 15, 2006 11:10 AM

I opened the Huma kit to take a peak...wow.  Though I have never built a limited run kit, I have the feeling I am about too...

No location pins, thick and soft plastic and LOTS of flash...

Note to self...get Squadron Green and a gross of sanding sticks....

Check out the WW I Special Interest Group @ http://swannysmodels.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=WW1SIG
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, September 15, 2006 1:49 PM

Limited run kits are a whole new experience Joe.  Wish you the best with the build.

Regards,  Rick

RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 15, 2006 8:19 PM
You can put me down for this. I have a few SCW kits just itching to built, but I don't know which one to get started with. What do you think?

All 1/48

Ar-68E            http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrval/GC82901.HTM
Ar-95L            http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrval/GC08001.HTM
He-46C           http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrvalverde/GC165101.HTM
He-51             http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrvalverde/GC81701.HTM
Ro.37bis          http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrvalverde/GC98201.HTM
Bu-131 x2       http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrval/GC117901.HTM
Bu-133           http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrval/GC19301.HTM
Bf-109B          http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrodval/GC19401.HTM



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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:03 AM
Quailane & Osher welcome aboard. Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

Dave, Scott & Gera, front page duly updated.

Looks like we're going to get some interesting builds.

Still pondering the Do 17E, but leaning towards the old Airfix 1/72 Fiat G50, and ICM's I-15 in the same scale.

And yes I do need to sort a badge out pretty sharpish.

Karl

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Posted by solid on Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:04 PM

Will send a badge for you tonight..........hope you can use it.

 

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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:08 PM
Thanks

My original idea for a badge was the very same poster that you have in your sig, but I've been looking at the following site for inspiration:

http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/visfront/index.html

Thanks

Karl

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Posted by solid on Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:40 PM

There are many old posters and pictures....I modified this one>

Here are two sizes>

 

This is a little bit more meaningful!!!!! Pasted all over Madrid in 1937... "No Pasaran".or "They will never pass".....

As you probably have read, the war was very bloody and very hard on all Spaniards.....The air war was very interesting and "fierce" there are many books about it and takes years to read. Understanding it is very interesting and incredible stories came about.......the "Chato" was outstanding, but so many planes flew in it that also gave a good battle. The Italian Cr/32 was the F-16 of its day!!!!!

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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:10 PM
Gera, like the badge.

I'd be inclined to go for the smaller one.

I work with a number of Spaniards, and even at this distance in time, the civil war still casts a shadow.

One of them has a medallion of Franco on their desk, while others abhor the very mention of the man.

The thing that stands out most to me with regard the air war, was the variety of machines pressed into service by both sides.

Karl

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Posted by solid on Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:42 PM

Karl...Happy you liked the badge. Yes, the Civil war devided the Spaniards badly, like you say, even today there is a shadow of it in Spain. I go to Spain every two years and you have to be careful when you talk about it for the factions are still brewing, many " grandfathers" of today were killed there, so the third generation, which today are around 60|-70 years old still are bitter. To many it is an insult to go to Franco's grave, " El valle de los Caidos", and not many tourists go....a very "cold" and sad place for it was built by prisoners of war!!!!! for Franco!!!...............but Spain is just beautiful and the people are fantastic, very kind and willing to help any way they can.. Love the place.

You are so right on the air war. All kinds of planes flew there and so many wonderful air stories!!!!I have many books full of great tales and good photos. The air war was "intensive" to say the least, both Germany and Italy brought in all kinds of planes and the Republicans put out everything they had. The Boeing P-26 was there, as well as some Fairchilds and Wacos....you name it, it probably flew the skies. And as you know it was a testing ground for the Luftwaffe. I hope to make an 1/48 scale HE 45 sometime in the future. So thanks to you for the great, Group Build............." No pasaran"

Gera

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:34 PM

The first badge looks good to me.  Don't forget the Forum restrictions on GB badge sizes.

Regards,  Rick

RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:51 PM
Solid: I had a lot of family who fought and died in the war, and our current feelings are split between sides. My family is split between wanting to leave it and wanting to tear the whole place down, but some of us make the trip to the valle de los caidos once a year. Some of us like nothing better than to step on his grave, but I'm not one of them even though I hate him. I know of the exact whereabouts of the war dead related to me, which is fortunate.

Anyway, when I am in Spain, I live in Getafe, the "birthplace of Spanish avation." My grandparents settled there after my mother was born in a neighborhood called Juan de la Cierva, after the inventor of the autogyro who used to live there. Also it is where the only boeing P-26 to serve in Spain crashed after a dogfight in the battle for Madrid. I even got my first glimpse of the airbus A380 taking off there.
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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:51 AM
I'm still surprised at the deep differences and rivalries between the various parts of Spain, having friends who are Basque & Catalan, both very much Republican areas, they are intensely proud of their respective areas.

Strange that you both mention the P-26, as I have the Hasa 1/32 kit in the stash, which I had considered for this GB, but seeing as I don't fancy an NMF, I think I'll put that aside.

Karl

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Posted by U-96 on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:09 PM

Hi folks! Mind if I hop into this GB?

I have the Academy 1/48 Bf-109D and this looks like a good opportunity to build it. It's also only the second 1/48 plane I've built, so it could be interesting. I'll probably go for the scheme that isn't Molders - everyone seems to do that one! Wink [;)]

 I'm planning on getting a compressor and I'm out of gas so it might be a while before I start in earnest!

Here's a pic of the kit...

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:17 AM

U-96, welcome to the GB, you've picked a good kit.

I built the same kit last year, but used a set of Cutting Edge decals for a machine based in Norway in 1940. 

My advice would be to ditch the kit decals, as they are fairly poor quality. I actually have the a set of Spanish Civil War markings from the Cutting Edge sheet if your interested.

BTW, where in the UK are you?

I'll update the front page.

Karl

 

 

 

 

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Posted by U-96 on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:28 AM

thanks for the welcome KJ200 - believe it or not, I'm about 10-15miles from you! I'll wager you've been to Howe's in Kidlington a few times Wink [;)] I know they're mostly RC and trains these days, but still good for common supplies.

I did wonder about the decals - they seem to have a fuzzy/ragged edge to them - wasn't sure if that was deliberate or not. If your leftovers are anything but 6O79 I might be up for it! Kind of you to offer, maybe I can find something to trade.

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:03 AM

U-96, I know Howes only too well!

I was in there the other weekend picking up the new Tamiya 1/48 Beetle.

I'm always amazed at the range of kits they have considering they specialise in trains and RC.

Drop me a mail with your address and I'll put the decs in the post.

I've had some bad experiences with Academy decs in the past.

In terms opf compressors what's your budget?

My first comp I bought from this lot:

http://www.maywoodgroup.co.uk/Compressors/SearchResult.aspx?categoryID=15

Picked up a Werther 3, which ran fine till I dropped it off a table!

Now run one of these:

http://www.expotools.co.uk/532_1_1314096.html

Got mine for about £200 from Modelsforsale.com.

Excellent comp, and very quiet.

Karl

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:27 PM
KJ200- Put me down for the classic airframes Ar-68E and Bf-109B. I don't think I have the nerve to do a kit more expensive.
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Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:55 PM
Quailane, front page updated.

Karl

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Posted by U-96 on Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:53 PM

Hi Karl,

 

Thanks for the offer and advice, you have a PM Smile [:)]

Hope no-one minds me hacking the GB logo to fit my others!

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:38 AM
U-96, decs are in the post.

Hopefully should be with you Monday or Tuesday.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by U-96 on Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:36 PM

cool, thanks! now just waiting for my re-stock of RLM02 to arrive. I'm really looking forward to this build, and seeing what others will come up with - there's plenty of 109s for comparison, and quite a few exotics too!

Perfect GB Smile [:)]

Shame it didn't come early enough to paint my T-26 for it Wink [;)]

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On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by rudy_102 on Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:27 PM
I'll try and get Revell AG's 1/72 He-112 (or was it -70?) Blitz for this GB. Have me as a mabye.
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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:27 PM
Rudy, I'll add you to the front page as a maybe.

The Blitz was the He 70, though the 112 took part as well.

I was looking at the possibility of doing an he 70  a while back, as there are some good colour schemes available, especially the white and blue 'sun burst' markings.

U-96, nothing to stop you picking up another T-26!

Karl

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Posted by U-96 on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:47 AM

KJ200 - decals safely received, many thanks. They are much, much better than the kit ones - very good of you to think I could use them. If it turns out in this build that anyone wants the Luftwaffe markings, I'll be sure to offer them up.

Just got to coat and decal my A-37, and then when my paint arrives, full steam ahead on the 109D!

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, October 1, 2006 11:35 AM
U-96, glad to hear the decals turned up.

Well it's October first, which means this GB has officially started.

I haven't picked up a kit yet, but have chosen ICM's 1-15 Chato to start things rolling with.

Let the builds begin!

Karl

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Posted by razordws on Sunday, October 1, 2006 8:30 PM
Woohoo!!!

Dave

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Posted by U-96 on Monday, October 2, 2006 7:58 AM

For those building Luftwaffe-sourced fighters, are you using the RLM02/65 scheme suggested by Ken Merrick's work, or are you sticking with the traditionally-used grey or tan schemes?

I'll probably go for the former, but it'll need a fair bit of lightening or fading, as these Xtracrylics seem quite dark for the scale.

Oh, and if anyone has a colour cockpit photo or two, that would be very helpful! Wink [;)]

On the bench: 1/35 Dragon Sturmpanzer Late Recent: Academy 1/48 Bf-109D (Nov 06) Academy 1/72 A-37 (Oct 06) Revell 1/72 Merkava III (Aug 06) Italeri 1/35 T-26 (Aug 06)
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