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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:31 PM

Looks like it's coming together nicely Rick!  Smile [:)]

I was mistaken before, I have the Bf109C/D kit.  It looks very similar to your 109A.  How was the install/fit of the resin cowling?  I'd like to know any issues you may have had as my kit has a lot of common or similar parts as yours.   

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:05 PM

Thanks Guys.

Scott, on my sample I think the resin cowl is very slightly warped.  I could get it flush on the horizontal, with gap on the vertical or vice-versa.  I fiddled with it as much as I dared, but couldn't completely eliminate the gap.  I'm not too concerned as I think it's correctable.  After I get it prime painted I'll be able to tell for sure.

Regards.  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:12 AM
Cool, thanks for the info Rick, keep us updated on your kit.  I'm going to start my Bf109C/D no later than this weekend.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:25 AM

Will do Scott.  I prime painted last night & it does need some more work.  I'll get back to it tomorrow after the primer has fully cured.

Good luck on your build, looking forward to it.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:28 AM
I noticed the plastic is pretty slick and shiny with this kit.  I don't always prime my aircraft before painting them, but definately will on this one!  Plus I would imagine the resin needs the primer anyway.  This will be my first attempt at working with resin.  Shy [8)]

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:40 PM

I prime all my builds Scott.  Better safe than sorry Smile [:)].

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by jboutin on Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:10 PM
A little help, what colour was on the undersides of the legion condor bf-109s?  I tlooks like a light grey? Getting close to painting...
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:24 PM

Hey, I really can't do my 109A for this GB.

 My Ar-68 has the fuselage together and the upper and lower wings ready for painting. Wheels are good to go as well. It is about 2 weeks from painting at this rate.

 Also I have started another plane to replace the 109A. I don't know if I could get it done in time, but I started work on a Planet Models Ar-95L in 1/48th. I got the cockpit done and the fuselage sealed and sanded. Also the wings are together. I've rescribed the resin. I was sanding the imperfections out of it and also the panel lines were extremely faint to begin with. Pretty much the same place as the Ar-68, but I may need to devote to one or the other since I'm going on a trip in March.

 My main problem these days is that I have to do my airbrushing outside. I have a very big noisy compressor and the really cold windy weather doesn't help. I've been doing as much as I can with a brush but I need the weather to improve.

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:32 PM

 jboutin wrote:
A little help, what colour was on the undersides of the legion condor bf-109s?  I tlooks like a light grey? Getting close to painting...

That depends......Which scheme are you doing?  Will it have German or Spanish markings?  Is it the splinter scheme, solid green scheme, or the silvery gray scheme?

Also, here is a great website that parses out Luftwaffe colors, and how to make them with several of the top brands of paint.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_germany.htm

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Posted by jboutin on Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:36 PM
Thanks scott, I will be doing it as one of the grey bf-109s.  I checked out that webiste, good stuff!
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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:51 PM

 jboutin wrote:
Thanks scott, I will be doing it as one of the grey bf-109s.  I checked out that webiste, good stuff!

Ok, there is some controversy regarding the actual color of the "gray" Spanish Civil War Bf-109 aircraft.  For many years it was believed that the color was Light Gray or RLM02 Light Gray... which it was, however.......  More recent research has revealed that these early 109s were painted with a very thin coat of RLM02 Gray, so thin in fact that that it allowed the irregularities of the bare metal to show through and actually gave it a slightly greenish hue.  Which is why you'll see in various resources and color plates showing anything from either an all bare metal silver finish, an all gray (thick coat of RLM02) or a light green color overall. Shock [:O]

I got this from several sources, the main one of which is the Osprey Modelling book "Modelling the Messerschmitt Bf 109B/C/D/E"  by Brett Green (consulting editor Rober Oehler).

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Posted by KJ200 on Friday, February 16, 2007 8:44 AM

There's also speculation over whether many of the panel lines were filled, particularly those on the rear fuselage, as they are often not visible in period photos. This would then suggest a painted finish as opposed to a NMF.

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, February 16, 2007 10:26 AM
 KJ200 wrote:

There's also speculation over whether many of the panel lines were filled, particularly those on the rear fuselage, as they are often not visible in period photos. This would then suggest a painted finish as opposed to a NMF.

Karl 

Aye, that's why I'm inclined to think that a very light spray of RLM02 over Alclad II would be the ticket, although I've never tried it and I think it would be very difficult to pull off... others with far better skills than I have tried to pull that off with mixed results.  Here is a link to a great build article on an early Bf109 that might be a nice resource for you. Smile [:)]

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/bf109v4bg_1.htm

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:48 AM

Got the gap at the cowl join defeated & the bird is primed & ready for final painting.  I'm going to ignore the experts & do this one in NMF.  I mean the CA painting guide couldn't be wrong, could it?  Smile [:)]

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:58 AM
Wow. It looks flawless at that stage, Rick. I wouldn't do a NMF simply because I can't get it looking that good before painting.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:00 PM
Thanks Qualine.
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Posted by jboutin on Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:50 PM

Awesome looking build so far rick, you are an inspiration to us all.  I just hope my little 1:72 looks half as good.  Finally here are a few progress pics.  These are from 2 weeks ago and no more progress has happened as I am finally finishing my Spitfire Mk9 (remember the one from the Allied Aces GB?).  Have a gander, the one with the resin tail is a Bf109 G6 I am doing for the Axis Aces GB as one of Hartmans birds.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:52 PM

Thanks Jay.  Yours is looking good, but that's a nasty gap at the wing root... or is it not glued yet ?

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:29 AM
Rick, you have good eyes and are very perceptive, right on both accounts!  (big gap and the wing is not glued yet). With all the dry fitting I've done for the Heller kit, I noticed what will probably be some nasty gaps so I bought some mr.surfacer 500 to try.
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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:06 AM
Classic Airframes 1/48 Bf109B/D update..... construction has begun.... stay tuned to this station for more updates.....  Whistling [:-^]  The look of these early Jumo powered Messerschmitts is kinda cool! Cool [8D]

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:27 PM

Pics Scott, we live for pics !! Smile [:)].

Got the painting pretty much done on mine.  Hope to post a pic later today or tomorrow.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:36 PM
 rjkplasticmod wrote:

Pics Scott, we live for pics !! Smile [:)].

Got the painting pretty much done on mine.  Hope to post a pic later today or tomorrow.

Regards,  Rick

Looking forward to your pics Rick!  I'll post a pic of what I've got so far late this evening.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:47 PM

Looking forward to them Scott Smile [:)].

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:24 PM
I'm new to resin so I'm slowly trying to learn how to cut this stuff out without damaging it.  Some of it's going to be a bit tricky.  The PE set in this kit is really cool! Cool [8D]

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:12 PM

Scott, a real good razor saw is the only way to go with resin IMHO.

Anyhoo, got the main painting done on mine.  Almost ready for decals Smile [:)].

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:36 PM

Looks great Rick!  Smile [:)] 

I'm going to pick up a razor saw tomorrow.  Is that something you get at the hardware store or hobby shop?

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:11 PM

Thanks Scott.  The Razor saws will most likely be found in the Hobby Shop.  X-Acto makes some nice ones.  You'll need two sizes eventually, but if you only want to start out with one, get the 1" deep blade.  Eventually, you'll also want the 1/2" deep blade for finer work.  Get both now if your planning on doing many Multi-media kits.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:38 PM

I have some other kits with resin parts in them (more Classic Airframes of course Wink [;)]) like my Fiat Cr.32 and I have a 1/32 Trumpeter P-40B with a Cutting Edge cockpit set, so I'll be doing lots more resin in the near future.  I'll pick up both as I'm sure I'll need them!  Thanks again for all the great tips.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:06 AM

Scott, when cutting the casting blocks from the resin parts, just work slow & keep the cut straight.  You'll still have to do clean up with sanding sticks/paper, but cut as close as safe to minimize clean up.  When you get to the wheel bay inserts, you'll also need to thin the plastic on the upper wing halves to get a fit.  If you have a Dremel Tool, that will be fairly easy.  If not, gonna take a lot of elbow grease Smile [:)].

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:21 AM

I have a dremel, just need to find it.  After all the home remodelling not everything made it back where it was supposed to be. Shock [:O]

The only part I'm a bit nervous about is removing the casting block from the cowling without damaging the the delicate lip that attaches to the fuselage.  Dead [xx(]  Did you have any issues with that?

And man was I relieved when I looked back at your cockpit photos and saw that I wouldn't have to remove all the resin behind the cockpit backing.  Whistling [:-^]

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