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Model Shipways "Sultana" Group Build 2006

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:02 PM
Hello everyone,

Mind if I jump in? I am totally new to ship modelling. I just made use of the 30% discount modelexpo.com were offering, so I bought the Sultana kit, paint kit and the basic tools I need for the build. I've been studying the PDF of the instruction manual for about 2 months now.

I got my boxes of stuff 2 days ago, although I can't start building for 1-2 weeks, since I need to clear some space to put a desk in our guest bedroom to be my modelling space. :)

I'd love to follow along with everyone and share tips, and learn from those of you who are not newbies like me!

thanks!
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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:15 PM
 scottrc wrote:
I can start my Sultana in July.  It is on backorder right now.

Yikes ! That is not good.  Sounds like you do have alot going on though

Donnie


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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:02 PM
I'm one of those who has about four projects going on at the same time, which is part due to my attention deficite disorder.

I can start my Sultana in July.  It is on backorder right now.  My project for Nationals should be about done as well and I will have room on my bench.. My mother in law has been wanting me to build her a ship for her new fireplace mantel and the Sultana should make a nice model for her.  It would also be nice for me to give it to her for Christmas, say 2008?

Geez, why do I do this to myself.  At present, I'm building a new master bedroom that needs to be done by the end of July, and I just was awared another huge contract at work that should keep me gainfully employed for the next three months without a day off.

Anyway, this should be fun and relaxing.

Scott

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 11:37 AM

The SGB is only 3 days away and will officially start this Saturday. I must confess that I still not sure how I want to approach my build, but I have some ideas at hand.  I know that everyone has different building pace that they work at and I don't think there is any particular need to address any schedule here. I do think however, there are different experience levels, kitbashing, OOTB (out of the box builders) and the list goes on.  I need to build a cradle as per instructions and I still need to get a block of wood to attach to underside, but this will follow shortly.

I do have some wishes though. I wish that as many as can, post pictures of your progress so that we can all share and learn on this. For those that are new at wood, we can benefit from those that have more talent in this area.

Even those that are new at wood, please post pictures as well at your progress. I want all to share and have enjoyment.

Again, I hate to put schedules on things becuase I don't want anyone to feel pressured that they for various reasons not be able to keep up. I notice that in some other GB's people seem to be attaching schedules. But, I am a participant in this build and not in control even though I have mentioned a few guidelines like the preference of not haveing a contest and other things of interested that was posted way early on.

If everyone here wants a schedule for the sake of keeping themselves on track - that is fine with me too. This could be a positive thing in the fact that it kinda helps stay focused on the build and not wander off - but I am not inclined to wander off - I have pretty much cleared off my bench of all projects and I do not possess the talent of being able to work on multiple projects at the same time - this is something that I just can't do - but, that is me - I envy those that can work on multiple things at the same time - "how do you do it ?  Wink [;)]

Like I said, I am open to a plan of action and schedules if that is the concensus here. If I had to cast my vote, it really does not matter to me, but it would kinda be good if we were to lets say break down the construction of the Sultana into phases or sections. Hull, Masting, Rigging

The hull into several sub-catagories. #1shaping the hull,  #2 planking or OOTB (out of the box),  #3 staining or painting,  #4 decking and deck fixtures. These mentioned components #1 thru #4 could span out to like 2 months. (#1 and #2 for first month and then #3 and #4 for second month ------Again, this is just ideas. Nothing written in stone. I guess I am choosing this time line only in thinking about my personal building time alotments, ect.

(the rest is too far out for me to think about what would be next, but it is obvious about the masting, yards and rigging into the other phases)

Please don't throw me overboard, but you know, some people like organization, some people do not like scedules but just diving in.

My intention here is to drive ideas, that is all.

It is almost time to start !Make a Toast [#toast]

Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:55 PM

See if this helps any better - I just created an image in my paint program. Click on the graphic to make it larger. Again, put this link in your Profiles and Signatures section. You presently have the SGB in your Avatar section  :-)



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Posted by Donnie on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:49 PM
ok, I take this one !

You need to open up your "update your profile" link and scroll down close to the end of your profile settings and you will see "signatures"

In that setting, you will have to put this link
[.IMG.]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/****/****/sultanagb65.png[./IMG.]

If you notice that there is a (dot) that is before the IMG and a (dot) after the IMG - REMOVE the (dot)
If I were to remove the (dot), then the FORUM would be posting the image. This is so far the only way I can think of in helping.

Of course, you need something like http://photobucket.com to host your images.

So you will have:
 [open BRACKET IMG BRACKET close](your URL) [open BRACKET then FORWARD SLASH IMG BRACKET close]

Hope this helps

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:02 PM
A little off the subject, but how do I get the Sultana Group sign into my signature line?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 5, 2006 8:15 PM

Dan,

In addition to a sanding block, I have some cabinet scrapers.  I haven't used them enough to develop any real expertise with them but I think that they may be really useful in doing something like taking off a consistant amount of wood all around.  I may start off taking off 1/32 above the wales and end up with 1/16th as a result of some unbridled enthusiasm.  Time will tell!

Bruce

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:36 AM
Hi everyone, I'm back from a vacation and trying to catch up at work, and on my model bench.

Chuck, thank you very much for your time and efforts on the praticum.  Your tips and pictures are worth a lot to us.

I use veneer quit a bit.  My advice is first, do not use laminated or composite veneer.  This stuff is cheap grade and doesn't form or bend.  It will crack and break apart over time.

Like Mr. Tilley, I use hardwood veneer. I make most of mine on my table saw so I can cut it to my desired thickness.  I like using oak, walnut, apple, hedge, pine, maple, and cedar for accents over boxwood.  I use contact cement or thin when attaching veneer.  Water based adhesives will casue bow and twist in thin veneer.

Still havn't ordered my Sultana, trying to finish my Endeavor which has been sitting on my vise for the past two years.  Just a few finishing touches and I can get it ready to take off the vise and make room for the Sultana.

Scott

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 5, 2006 8:03 AM

Bruce

  I was finally able to open the file that Chuck posted.  If you go with the 1/32 on the outside it looks like a buildup of the 1/16 planking on the inside will give it the strength.  With the glue set and then sanding the the bulwarks to 1/16 I imagine it would be strong enough, especially since this model doesnt require any cutting into the bulwarks, such as gunports.

Another thought I had was a that a long sanding block with lets say 60 grit may be able to get the hull dimensions decreased the 1/32 inch above the wale if you dont want to carve it.  A long sanding block would keep the sanding even.

 

Dan

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 4, 2006 8:11 PM

Seamac,

Thanks for the link on the other online build.  Nice to have lots of resources.

With respect to cutting veneer into strips for planking, when I was at my local hobby shop last weekend I was put onto a little rig called a balsa stripper.  It is for cutting strips of a sizes that would be ideal for this build.  Low tech and inxpensive but the hobby shop owner said he has one and uses it quite often.  I picked one up but have not tried it yet.

Here is is link with a description and picture.

http://www.mindspring.com/~thayer5/ffpages/tools/balsastrip/masterstrip.html

Bruce

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Posted by Seamac on Sunday, June 4, 2006 7:08 PM

Hi Russ,

Your sugestion is, in my opinion, the best way to bend in general.  There are other ways which will work and I've outlined some of them here.  There are probably other methods, in some cases the wood can be so flexible and the bending so slight, none of them are needed.  On the other hand, depending on the wood, warping or shrinking can happen.  But, for almost all application, wetting and clamping is the accepted norm.

soaking in water - you do not need to leave the strips in water too long - depending on the type of wood and its thickness anywhere from a minute to a few minutes should be enough.  The idea is not to soak the wood all the way through, just have it absorb enough to prevent splitting.  Down side it the wood must dry to take on the permanent bend.

steam - putting the planks into a tube and passing steam through is one method; personally I don't see any advantage over wetting, in fact this method takes more time, can be dangerous and is more parts/labor intensive.  Remebering that we are working with thin stock this method  might be better on thicker wood than we will be using.

combination heat and steam - is accomplished by first wetting the wood then using a tool that is heated to bend the plank.  The bend takes it shape almost immediately as the heat dries out the wood imparting a permanent bend.  The tool is available from numerous modeling supply stores that specialise in wood kitsboth on the Net and, if you're lcuky enough, locally.

sliting the back side of the plank to be bent - this method involves making a series of slices, fairly close together, part way through the wood on the back side of the plank which releaves some of the stresses when bent.  There are a couple of tools on the market that do this job, but it can also be done with a straight edge and knife - be careful not to make the slits more than 1/2 way through the wood or your bend, instead of being smooth, could turn into a series of flats along the arc.

As for the wood itself, most commericial strip wood used in model building is clear, grade "A" - the grain is tight, runs the length of the board and is fairly straight.  The grain, and type of wood, determines how successful your bend will be.  Not always the case, but if you find it hard to see the grain pattern it probably is a good piece to use.

Another thought - although not commonly used today, strathmore board, a form of heavy paper in various thicknesses, can be successfully used.  Resembling post card stock it is easy to work with and can be sanded, although carefully.  Its chief advantage is no soaking - or any preparation - is needed as is is as pliable as paper.  Downside is it must be sealed prior to painting and doesn't take stain like wood as it has no grain.  But remember, at the scale we're working with in this build no grain would be visible on the model.   This paper used to be included with many older models, often being printed on for replicating fine details (doorways, windows - on the older Model Shipways tug it was the wrapper for the wheelhouse).  Available in art and craft stores.

By way of explanation - I have been a model railroader for most of my life and am just getting into ship modeling now.  I have lurked at alot of ship modeling sites over the past year and most of the above information comes from those sites and my RR modeling (strathmore board) - it is presented here for what its worth to the group.

OK, back to the modeling room (basement) to try the veneer thing - let the group know what I've come up with in a couple of days.  Another source of veneer is ebay -  the usual disclaimers apply and you take your chances when purchasing .  I have no interests here except that I know it is a source.

Seamac
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, June 4, 2006 5:55 PM

Rockler is a fine company and gives excellent mail order service.  For a really wide assortment of veneers, though, the best source in the U.S. probably is Constantine's (formerly Constantine's of the Bronx, now Constantine's of Ft. Lauderdale).  Here's the website:  www.constantines.com.

Maple and birch veneers work well for the sorts of things you folks have been discussing.  My all-time favorite, though, is holly.  It has an extremely fine grain (with a little fine sanding it literally squeaks when you rub your finger across it), is extremely hard (generally a virtue in modeling woods - up to a point), and is almost white in color.  A little bit of stain makes the grain pop out in a way that makes you think you're literally looking at a piece of miniature wood.  Holly is tough to find (most of my modest stock of it came from a tree that got chopped down in a friend's yard), but Constantine's sells it at quite reasonable prices - in carving slabs as well as veneer.  It's wonderful stuff.

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Posted by Russ39 on Sunday, June 4, 2006 4:21 PM

Donnie:

The bulwarks option they mention involves removing the bulwark that the hull has and then cutting or bending wood to the same profile as the bulwarks outline and then gluing them onto the deck one on top of the other until the desired height of the bulwarks is achieved. This is an alternative to thinning the bulwarks thickness with a chisel. You can cut the planks so they have that desired thickness already.

If you want to bend thin strips, say 1/16" square around that deck outline to form the bulwarks, the key would be to make sure they do not break during the bending process. One good way to do this is create a bending jig that would match the outline of the deck you want to create. You can saw out that curve in a piece of thick basswood with a hand saw or a scroll saw. Soak the strips in hot water and clamp them around that jig and leave them to dry overnight. Soaking them will lessen the possibility of them cracking or breaking. For clamping, I use several of those mini sliding bar clamps you can get at the home improvement store. When the strips come out the next day, they should hold that general curve and they will be much easier to glue down.

Russ

 

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 4, 2006 3:43 PM
Hi Seamac

I personally do not have any experience with Veneers, however I think that this certainly would be an alternative solution. I found this link http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?Offerings_ID=2216&TabSelect=Details
I am not endorsing any company or supplier. I just googled 'verneer' and this is a link that I came up with. I am familiar with Rockler as I do a little woodworking as well.

I would say go for it. The size that they have specified is 1/64" thickiness (also that comes to .0156")

Let me say as a side note that it is a good thing that everyone is taking pride and ownership of how they want their Sultana to be build, painted and so forth. I think now we have about 4 methods mentioned here (enough choices to keep my head spinning for a while Wink [;)] )

In about 5 days the official start date will begin. All I can say is that I am so glad that there are alot of resources here to draw from -

The only thing I have done is study and look over the plans. So far I just stare at the hull and say to myself plank or no plank, leave the builwarks or cut them off, good greif so many decisions (fun decisions)

By the way can someone address what is going on page 10 FIG 13 (Bulwarks Option) ? It seems that they are wanting you (as an option) to build up the Bulwarks with the planking laying down flat.

Donnie


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Posted by Seamac on Sunday, June 4, 2006 1:29 PM

Hello everyone,

Like all of you I have been watching Chuck's postings of the Sultana - great job!  As far as planking, any thoughts on using veneer (.002') for hull and decking?  I plan on trying it for my build.  Very thin, easy to work with (bending, shaping, etc.) and comes in a variety of woods (pear, boxwood, mahogany, oak, etc.) as well as cuts/styles (straight, quarter sawn, curly, others).  As I see it, for those interested in leaving the wood in its natural state you can choose which type of veneer that wood most closely match what you wanted your finished model to resemble - as it would have looked as built all the way to a much modified "fancy" finish in unique patterns and woods.  One drawback might be that it is too thin and could warp when using a water based casein (wood, yellow, Elmer's, ...) glues - I will try to experiment with it later today and tomorrow, let you know what I come up with.  Also, "planks" will have to be cut from the sheets, eith with a knife or saw.  If anyone out there has tried it already, please let me know.

Another link to an online build of the Sultana is:

   http://www.ship-modelers-assn.org/webbuilding/webmain.htm 

This build is not complete, but very detailed as far as it goes.  I don't think there are going to be any more "lessons" as none have been posted in quite some time.

With all the posts so far, this looks to be a great project!

Seamac
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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, June 3, 2006 8:28 PM

Here's a link to the MicroMark line:  http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=82238

They claim the stuff is cotton with a "glace finish" - whatever that means.  I haven't seen it, but in the photos it certainly looks like cotton rather than nylon.  The two diameters are given as .008" and .010".  On the Sultana kit scale of 1/64, that works out to a little less than and a little over 1/2" in diameter, respectively.  Newcomers:  bear in mind that textbooks and rigging diagrams usually describe rope in terms of its circumference, with is pi x the diameter.  (For all practical purposes, the circumference is three times the diameter.)  So a line that's 1/2" in diameter would be described as about "inch-and-a-half line."  The standard size of ratlines, for instance, was about an inch.  So that Micromark material would be a little heavy for ratlines - but not much.  For most standing and running rigging it would be too fine.

I agree with Russ about the Model Expo/Model Shipways "cotton-poly mix."  I like the color, the texture, and the consistency of it.  I do wonder how resistant it is to changes in humidity; I always get nervous about anything with cotton in it in that regard.  But I did most of the riggin of my little Phantom model with that material, and after three years or thereabouts it's looking fine.

The Bluejacket linen is some of the best linen line I've encountered - and on a large scale like 1/64, linen is good stuff to work with.  If I were building that Sultana kit, though,I'd probably order one spool of each size of the Model Shipways stuff.  You can never have too many different sizes of line.

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Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 3, 2006 2:25 PM

Donnie:

That rigging line from Micromark is just a simple nylon and it comes in two sizes and two colors. At the Sultana's scale it would be okay for seizing, but I do not think I would use it for much else.

Model Expo sells some nice looking cotton/poly mixes in a wider variety of sizes. Bluejacket Shipcrafters sells some very nice linen line, but it would have to be colored as it comes in white. I have used their linen and it really works well for me.

Russ

 

 

 

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 3, 2006 10:03 AM
Hi Dan !
Welcome to the Sultana Group Build (SGB). If you haven't already, feel free to grab the Sultana Icon and put that in your signature like the rest of us to identify your association with the SGB

again, welcome aboard

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 3, 2006 7:44 AM

There is one thing I cant stress enough.  What ever method you choose, try and establish the proper hull shape and dimensions.  There are templates that come supplied with the kit which you will hold up to the hull to determine that shape.  The only problem is that the templates are a little "off".  Especially the two templates used to establish the hull length and placement of the remaining templates along each station line. 

Place the templates over the plans after you cut them out and make any adjustments to them before using them.  You will probably have to change the reference marks that show the positions of each hull station.  These templates and plans have been printed and reprinted.  They no longer match each other. 

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Saturday, June 3, 2006 1:07 AM

  All I can say is: " this is going to be one hell of a group build!"   It is going to be fascinating to see how everyone does things differently...perfect!

                    greg

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 3, 2006 12:17 AM

Dan,

Welcome to the great debate on how to deal with the hull.  I think if you look at the build guide that Chuck has done, you will see what is a really well thought out, and in his case a well executed, method of planking the hull with 1/16" planks.  I can only speak for myself, but why I am thinking about using 1/32" planking is that I think I can get the effect of having planks without having to trust my carving skills to carve out only part of the hull an even 1/16" all around.  Using 1/32" planks and then sanding them down should I think keep the dimensions pretty close to what they should be. 

As to to the bulwarks, we have already had a bit of discussion about that that you can see on previous pages here.  At the moment, I am thinking that if I do go with the 1/32" planking, I will plank the outside up to the top of the bulwarks on the outside and then carve the inside so that the bulwarks are the proper width.  I really like the approach that Chuck has taken with two thicknesses of overlapping 1/16" planks but think that method may not work so well with 1/32" planking because they are too thin.  Please dive in with your news, views and matters of import.  The more ideas the better.

Bruce 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 2, 2006 11:51 PM
I have been thinking of planking above the wale,  I had also thought of planking below the wales but have decided to go with the paint only for below.  It seems that the majority opinion is for 1/32 thick planking above the wales.  How about the inboard side,  the pictured model and the instructions lead me to believe that there is no planking.?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 2, 2006 11:34 PM

Hello,  I am new to forum.  This is great though as I am just finishing the Black Prince and have already purchased the Sultana as my next project.  My wife bought the Black Prince for me 2 years ago after knee surgery to give me something to do and I am hooked on building wooden ships now.  I figured I would try to sold hull and try more detailing then I did on the plank on bulkhead Black Prince.  I await the June 10 start date. 

Dan, 

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:44 PM

The line MicroMark sells is described as "cotton with a hard finish" - presumably some sort of coating.  It looks excellent in the pictures.  Experienced ship modelers generally shy away from cotton; it tends to be flimsy, fuzzy, flabby stuff, and is reputed not to hold up well.  It also seems to react more to changes in humidity than either silk or linen, but I'm not sure there's actual evidence to confirm that.  If MicroMark's supplier has found a way to eliminate the fuzz, the same coating may take care of the humidity problem and it may well be a nice material.  My biggest reservation about it is that, at least in the catalog I've got, it only comes in two sizes. 

The preferred rigging material among the veterans is, and has been for years, linen.  Those there are who claim that linen is the only fabric that really lasts.  On the basis of what I've seen personally, I think they're mistaken.  When I was working at the Mariners' Museum I worked on quite a number of old models whose rigging was made of lots of materials, and I couldn't detect any consistent patterns of deterioration.  The linen rigging of the famous Crabtree models, for instance, was showing its age pretty clearly; some lines were on the verge of snapping, particularly at spots where they ran through fittings that were made out of acidic woods, or where drops of varnish had been splashed on them.  On the other hand, the cotton and silk rigging of some other models of similar age looked as good as new.  On the other hand, some old silk thread that I've seen has snapped on a gentle yank.  In my opinion atmospheric conditions and the care a model receives are far more important to its longevity than the rigging material. If you find some cotton thread that looks like real rope, and is the right diameter, I say - use it.

My own preference for a long time, as I indicated earlier, has been silk.  I've got evidence in my living room that a model rigged with silk thread, kept in a plexiglas case in reasonably well controlled temperature and humidity conditions, can easily last 28 years.  (I finished my little H.M.S. Bounty in 1978, and its silk rigging literally looks as good as new.)  Lots of modelers have reservations about synthetic fibers, because they haven't had time to demonstrate their longevity.  But Harold Hahn, one of the best in the business, uses nylon line exclusively in his models, and I've never heard that any of his rigging has disintegrated.  If modelers want to lie awake at night worrying about whether their rigging will last 200 years or fall apart after 100, that's their privilege; personally I have other things to occupy my mind.

I would have reservations about mixing rigging materials on a model, for fear that changes in humidity might make different lines react differently.  Otherwise, though, my personal approach is to use whatever material looks and handles best.

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:16 PM
I hope I don't get thrown over-board for this, but I also noticed that http://www.micromark.com has some rigging line. I have not scrutinized it, but it is at least an effort to go to the site and see. If you go to the search and type in rigging, it will come up with various rigging thread. I hope not to give Mr. Tilley a fit becuase I am mentioning this, but hey,, just throwing ideas out there.
Also, I personally have found that just about any hobby store will have Bead making materials and for instance Hobby Lobby has hundreds and hundreds of various lines and threading. I know that this is not what everybody is looking for, but I found my stuff in the Jewelry making section. I am not an expert on rigging line, but I have come up with some ideas just by looking in the most unthought of places.

Donnie

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Posted by Russ39 on Friday, June 2, 2006 8:16 PM

Bruce:

The rigging plans have been tweaked over the years so I think the plans for the current version are much better than the older versions I have seen 20 years back.

If you look closely at the rigging plans they will give you the actual size for each line or at least mine have that information. Some of those sizes are represented in the kit and others you can buy. You can either make up or buy a dozen different lines that you can use for absolute (well not really) accuracy or you can approximate and use a half dozen different sizes that are all very close and still get a very nice effect.

For those who want to try and color their own line, I have found that Minwax Jacobean Stain looks a lot like what Stockholm tar might have looked like. This is very good for standing rigging. You get a deep deep dark brown rather than stark black. A quick dip in Minwax Special Walnut gives a nice even tan color that looks pretty good for running rigging.

Russ

 

 

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 2, 2006 8:03 PM

Funny you should mention that.  I was just checking my stash of rigging line.  The kit came supplied with two diameters of rigging in black and two 1 diameter of rigging in tan.

 

I have enough existing stock to use three diameters of each.  I will be going an additional size smaller with the black rigging (standing).  With the tan rigging (running rigging) I will add a smaller diameter and create a third larger one to use for the anchor cables.  The kit did not come supplied with line for the anchor cables.  This will be the only rigging that I will create using a rope walk.  Otherwise I have enough to complete the model.  I agree with some earlier comments that the black rigging sometimes looks too black.  I will be changing that.  But you folks have a long way to go before you have to start thinking about it.

 

Chuck

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 2, 2006 7:41 PM

Chuck,

Thanks for the suggestion on an order of doing the planking and wales.

You mentioned that you would be using some of the supplied rigging line and making some of your own.  I am quite interested in what additional line over and above what is with the kit is going to be either necessary or desireable.  Any guidance on that?

Bruce

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    January 2003
  • From: arizona
Posted by cthulhu77 on Friday, June 2, 2006 6:31 PM

Dang good thing that I bought the kit before I read that four page article...Wow !  Looks like this one is going to take some tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmme !  I doubt mine will be anywhere near as neat, but it sure is fun to see a master at work.

             greg

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