SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Model Shipways "Sultana" Group Build 2006

48805 views
408 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:07 PM
Good, Good !
It looks like we are off to a good start - I am still working on mine this Sunday evening and so far, I have just my center line profile that I am working on.

Be aware that the Profile template seems to be off about 1/16" in lenght. (too long about 1/16"). I think that someone made mention that due to repeatedly copying that is causing the template to be off just a bit.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:51 PM

I too got to produce a satisfying amount of sawdust and wood chips in the back yard this afternoon removing bulkheads.  Almost done that job and then on to shaping the hull and getting the cetnre line marked on.

Bruce 

  • Member since
    June 2005
  • From: Biloxi, Mississippi
Posted by Russ39 on Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:05 PM

Donnie:

Hey, this is wooden shipmodeling. If you're not making sawdust, then chances are you're not making anything. :)

If you are looking for a clear finish for your deck, I have used both Minwax natural finish and their water based clear Polycrylic. The natural finish will darken the wood slightly, but the Polycrylic does not darken hardly at all.

Russ

 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:13 PM
I guess I should have taken pictures of my work area in progress - I had wood shavings all over the place and me - covered in it ! Laugh [(-D]

BTW - thinking ahead on this project, I found some 1/64" birch that I plan to use for planking and for the deck. It is interesting that the natural color of the Birch (that I had) almost matches identical to the deck color that I am after - Humm - so maybe some natural wax or glaze coat is all that I need on this.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:22 AM

Glad to see that some sawdust is flying.  All I have got done so far is to get the templates cut out but I hope to be starting on the hull today.

Bruce

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:07 AM
AHhhh ! Greg Speaks !

Yes Sir Mr. Greg. As a matter of fact, I have decided to remove the Bulwarks, and so I did yesterday (last night)



I had a 3/8" x 3/8" square dowel that is about 12" long that i wrapped with sanding paper. By placing the sqare dowel flush up against the step(s) in the deck,  I was able to sand those areas nice and square, but also keeping in mind that "crown" on the deck. I think the Center Line of the Deck is 1/16" higher in the middle, so I had to take that into consideration.



ps
Please everyone that has never worked with wood before in this fashion. It is so easy to slip and possibly injure yourself with the knife. It is important (at least to me) to stop and take breaks while you are carving. It is very easy to get 'worked up' and carve into your hand or something. Please don't be offended by me offering my guidance in this respect, but it is much easier to order a new hull - and you can't order to new finger !  Wink [;)]


Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:54 AM

Fortunately this is my weekend off so I was able to get some carving on the hull done.  The general shape is close but I found that from template 6 aft that the hull needs some serious shaping to get it right.   I started with a knife to get the heavy areas off and am now switching to a dremel with sanding wheels for the flatter area's.

  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: arizona
Posted by cthulhu77 on Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:25 AM

  Ok...it's been twenty four hours or so since the beginning of the gb...anyone done yet? :)  ( I did open the box yesterday and look at it for a minute...working overtime this weekend, sigh)

 

                             greg

http://www.ewaldbros.com
  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:46 PM
Shock [:O]
Well, I am extremely flattered by the recommendation, but I assure you that there are plenty of veterans here that have many years of not only building from kits, but also scratchbuilding and kitbashing. The Kitbashing is taking a kit and modifying it. Again, I really appreciate the compliment on you asking me how to get started in ship building so I will do my best and I do wish for those to jump in.

I will say first that this is a good place to start is on this forum even though there are other forums that discuss ship building as well. Here you will find mostly plastic, but wood ships are here as well. As a matter of fact, some of us are giving our first hand at building a wooden ship model called the Sultana.

I chose the Sultana becuase it is a Solid Hull , but an experienced modeler can do many modifications on this kit, however, at the same time a less experienced modeler or someone new to this hobby can build the kit right out of the box.

If you have never attemped building a Wooden Ship Model , then my first question is this: What kind of tools do you have? Do you have any tools at all?

To get started as you say, I can list some basic tools that will help you get started:
  • Hobby Knife and #11 blades
  • Set of needle files
  • some clamps as simple as miniture clothes pins, rubber bands, ect
  • miniture drill bits
  • Tweezers
  • small scissors
  • small bench vise
  • Sandpaper
  • paint brushes (very small fine point for details)
  • Wood Glue
  • Cynoacrylate Glue (super glue)
  • Steel ruler or any measuring device or calipers
  • Magifying Glass
  • some sort of clamp to hold the Hull of the ship in place.
Most of these items can be bought at a basic hobby store and or online from many places.
The Sultana can be purchased online thru http://www.modelexpo-online.com
or from http://www.naturecoast.com
Both of these places also have tools galore. There are way too many other online hobby stores that carry tools that go way beyond the scope of this topic, but you get the idea. It doesn't stop here. SOme modelers have a huge assortment of tools that they have collected over the years, but my advice is to start out simple. This is what I did, becuase I did not know how much I would enjoy the hobby.

I don't want to overload you, but you can also arm yourself with some reading materials for reference:
  • "The Art of Rigging" by George Biddlecombe
  • "The Ship Model Builder's Assistant" by Charles G. Davis
  • "Ship Modeling Simplified" by Frank Mastini
  • "The Rigging of Ships in the days of the Spritsail topmast, 1600-1720" by R.C. Anderson
  • "American Sailing Ships, Their plans and History" by Charles G. Davis
  • "The young Sea Officer's Sheet Anchor" by Darcy Lever
  • "How to Build First-Rate Ship Models from Kits" by Ben Lankford
The ones in RED would be a good recommendation becuase they are really good at "how to" do something instead of just talking about it.(my humble opinion)
You can get both of those at Amazon.com or at a good stocked hobby store.

Ok, well that about does it for me. Now I suggest that you quickly order the Sultana and join in with us - you will learn as you go. If you scroll back a few pages, you will see someone by the name of ChuckP that has contributed a long set of wonderful instructions to go by on the Sultana. Plus you will always find the advise you need right here.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    June 2006
Posted by thepiv on Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:46 PM

Donnie,

I was recommended to you by Chris McCormack, I am interested in learning how to build wood ships. What do i need to do to get started

 

steve pivec

  • Member since
    June 2005
  • From: Biloxi, Mississippi
Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:17 PM

John:

As for cabinet scrapers for a deck, I always use a single edged razor blade. They are large enough to cover most of the deck's width in one pass and they are sharp. They are also very cheap. they can be got from the local drug store for mere pennies and a pack of then will last a long time.

Russ

 

 

 

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:42 PM

I can't imagine that pre-stain conditioner would do any harm, but I've never found it necessary - simply because the pieces of wood in question are so small.  The "blotching" phenomenon is of most concern to furniture makers, who are concerned about getting even coats of stain on big surfaces like table tops.

If stain is applied heavily to a deck made up of individual basswood planks, the initial result is likely to be a bit uneven.  Basswood is remarkably consistent stuff, but the grain does vary a little from piece to piece; some planks are likely to absorb the stain a little more than others.  To an extent, that's desireable; you don't want the deck to look absolutely consistent.  I find, though, that it's a good idea to go over the whole deck once more with extremely fine sandpaper after the stain has dried.  That has two effects:  if the staining process has raised the grain at all (as it probably has), the sanding will smooth it out again.  And the darker planks will look almost like the others after the surface has been sanded.

My all-time favorite deck stain was MinWax "Driftwood," but it doesn't seem to be available any more (at least here in eastern North Carolina).  Olympic's "Driftwood" seems a tiny bit darker to my eye, but its working characteristics seem to be just about identical.

Earlier in this thread somebody mentioned cabinet scrapers.  I agree:  they're fine, useful tools for ship modeling - and, compared to what most hobby tools cost these days, they're cheap!  Lee Valley Tools (www.leevalley.com) sells a bargain-priced set of "miniature" cabinet scrapers ( http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32672&cat=1,310,41069&ap=1) that I find especially useful for jobs like smoothing decks.  Just be sure to follow the included instructions about sharpening and burnishing them; the "hook" burnished on the edge of a scraper is what makes it work. (If you don't want to shell out the cash for a purpose-made burnisher, you can get the same result with a little practice and an old drill bit.)

One other thought regarding decks.  Before you start laying the deck planking - whether in the form of individual planks or scribed sheets - take a careful look at the machine-carved hull and figure out whether the manufacturer has done a satisfactory job with the deck camber.  The deck of a sailing ship (and, for that matter, the vast majority of steamships until recent years) is supposed to arch gently upward at the centerline.  The typical amount of rise at the centerline during most of the sailing ship period was 1/4" for every foot of the ship's maximum beam.  That ratio isn't affected by scale.  If your model has a maximum beam of 2", the deck at the centerline probably should be about 1/24" (i.e., a little less than 1/16") higher at the centerline than at the waterway.  The difference probably appears on the plans; the line labeled "underside of deck at side" will be a little lower than the "underside of deck at centerline."  That 1/24" may not seem significant, but it will in fact be noticeable on the finished model.  A perfectly flat deck, unless you're building a model of an aircraft carrier, just doesn't look right.  In the olde dayes Model Shipways made a conscientious effort to incorporate deck camber into its machine-carved hulls; I have no idea whether the new kits have it or not.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    June 2005
  • From: Biloxi, Mississippi
Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:47 PM

John:

If they are using basswood and a stain, do you think a pre stain conditioner would be in order? I am concerned about the softness of the wood and the stain blotching. I think they should definitely try some on a scrap piece to make sure. It may be that the surface might need to evened out before applying the stain. Of course, it might not be necessary, but I thought I would mention this possibility. I have had good luck using Minwax pre stain conditioner on soft woods.

Russ

 

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Certainly it does Mr. Tilley, thank you very much !

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:03 AM

Like Russ, I was initially a little taken aback when Donnie started talking about painting deck planks.  After a little reflection, though, I concluded that it might not be such a bad idea - if done carefully.

Give some thought to how the deck of a sailing ship was built.  The planks probably were pine or fir (there were plenty of exceptions), and did indeed turn a dull, greyish color after they'd been stomped upon and exposed to the weather for a while.  (Beware of restored ships in this regard; they frequently have distinctly non-authentic finishes applied to them for the sake of durability.)  Most basswood has a color (it does vary somewhat) that looks quite a bit like miniaturized, freshly-cut pine.  (My own preference for deck planking is holly, but it's hard to find.)  But baswood  probably is too light and pristine-looking to represent a deck that's been in service for a while.  If you apply paint to it like you'd paint a plastic model, you'll cover up the "wood-like" appearance that, presumably, is one reason you're making the model out of wood in the first place.  But if you dilute the paint and use it like a stain, to highlight the grain, that probably will work pretty well.

I believe Model Shipways kits come with scribed basswood sheet as a decking material.  That stuff isn't bad.  You could paint/stain it to taste, then (when it's thoroughly dry) run a pencil or something along the scribed lines to represent the caulking.  (Don't, for heaven's sake, use the sort of "wash" technique you'd use to highlight countersunk grooves on a plastic kit.  The wash will soak into the wood, and you'll have a mess on your hands.)  If, however, you're going to sheath the hull and bulwarks in individual planks (as I gather some participants in this project intend to do), you may want to think about doing the decks the same way.  The difference in appearance between the scribed sheets and the individual planks is likely to be pretty obvious - and hokey.  Laying a deck from individual planks isn't particularly difficult or, in the case of a small model like this, time-consuming.

For what it's worth, here's how I normally do it.  1 - cut the planks to length.  (In the case of the Sultana, this is easy.  In a bigger ship you need to be concerned about the locations of butt joints in the deck, but the Sultana is so small that you can assume all the planks of the quarterdeck, for example, ran its full length.)  2 - run a fairly hard pencil around all four edges of each plank.  (The graphite from the pencil will represent the caulking.)  3 - lay the planks.  Hold them down with Franklin Titebond or Elmer's Carpenter's Glue (my recommendation for virtually all wood-to-wood joints).  4 - sand and/or scrape the surface of the deck smooth.  (The manufacturers of those basswood strips do a remarkably precise job, but there will be some slight irregularities in the surface of  your deck.  Here's where the pencil trick shows its worth.  You can sand or scrape that deck from now till doomsday, and the fine, dark grey lines between the planks will still be there.)  5 - apply the stain.  My personal preference is the "Driftwood" colored wood stain from Olympic Paints, but I imagine diluted acrylic hobby paint will work.  Just don't slather it on so thickly that it soaks through the planks and softens up the glue underneath.  6 - when the deck is dry, give it a thin coat of diluted white shellac.  A can of shellac (places like Lowe's and Home Depot carry it) is an excellent investment.  While you're at it, pick up a quart of denatured alcohol to thin it.  Shellac is wonderful stuff.  It's a good, fast-drying gloss finish for ornamental woodwork, and when diluted (about 50%, I'd suggest) and applied to a stain deck it's virtually invisible - but will do a great job of protecting the deck from anything you accidentally spill or smear on it during the rest of the construction job. 

That method yields a dull, greyish-cream deck with visible wood grain and realistically thin, dark grey seams between the planks.  I don't suggest that this is the only "right" way to make a deck, but I know it works and gives results that, to my eye at least, are quite satisfactory.

On the subject of wood species - don't let the topic intimidate you.  Basswood, the preferred wood of American kit manufacturers, is nice stuff; thoroughly adequate for the vast majority of jobs in a model like this.  Poplar (no U in the middle of it, incidentally) is a good material for stuff that's going to be painted.  It's considerably harder than basswood, holds a nice, sharp edge, and resists denting.  Its close grain accepts paint well; cabinetmakers use it a lot.  Its biggest drawback is its color, which frequently has a distinctly greenish cast and changes radically over time when exposed to the light.  If you get into wood ship modeling deeply you'll eventually want to experiment with some of the more exotic woods - especially maple, cherry, holly, boxwood, and pearwood.  But for a 1/64-scale model of the Sultana you'll probably find that basswood will do just about anything you want it to do.

Too long as usual.  Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:01 AM
I have the build notes and parts layout on PDF of the Wood Stripper for those that are interested. It is mostly pictorial instructions with some notes.

Donnie
Just PM me with your email if you want to. I hate to take up a forum reply with it becuase not everyone might be interested.


In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:46 AM
Dan,
I will try my best to get to you some documentation on that Wood Sheet Cutter. I will go back and take measurements and all to see if I can explain it with parts and directions. Just give me a while and I will email it to you. There is a possibility that I can make that drawing and do a PDF for you and anybody else that may want that. FYI, I used a table saw and a Drill press. The materials are made out of Popular. I am not a wood materials expert. I do like working with Popular becuase you can "mill" it with Fortsner bits for a nice clean look. Popular keeps it shape. Any hardwood would work too. As a matter of fact, I think that you can go to the local hobby store and pick up a piece of basswood plyboard. I could have done that, but I just used what I had around the house. I do think the basswood plyboard would really be better for all occasions though due to the fact that not everyone has a table saw or whatever.
Until I find out more info, you can use 1/4 " (.25") or 7mm thick basswood plyboard, ect.  The guides that you see on top are 3/8" square stock.

Donnie
I will do my best to get the drawing done later today for you and I will also post it here for those interested.

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:19 AM

Donnie,

That tool looks great, can you send me the parts list d_giossi@yahoo.com  .  Thanks Dan.

About painting the deck,  I was looking at the photo's and noticed the same thing, I wil try some different techniques to get the washed look without painting just so that there is other options for those who don't wisht to paint the deck.  I recently was on a cruise ship and noticed that the decking was the same washed whitish look for the decks.  This was a relatively new ship too. 

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:19 AM
Well,
I call myself trying to duplicate an actual deck that has been treated, painted, stained or whatever on the real ship. I was just going by some images that I saw on a previous link. After studying those pictures of the deck, it "seems" as if the color of the deck is a very light whiteish cream color.
It seems the 'deck' topic has been covered on the "ship forum"  here more than I can dream of by experts far beyond my abilities, but just for the sake of curiosity and that is all for entertainment, I looked at the cutty sark home page and the USS Constitution home page just to probe around. It looks as if the same "color" of this washed out faded grayish, whitish, cream color is used on both of those ships. Now again based on some images that I have seen of the Sultana and looking at those very closely, I was able to 'match' what I saw on those images and came up with that Model Master "Sand #33531" color.
I certainly have entertained all avenues of what to do with the deck and this is a hopeful scenario that I am coming up with - but my mind can change based on a good discussion about it.
Most likely, I will paint a darker coat (aged Concrete) and then wash with the Sand color and lightly buff the deck to give more lifelike appearance than just a simple coat of paint.
But, before I do that , I will probably "mock up" a small section to see how it goes before I commit to anything,

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    June 2005
  • From: Biloxi, Mississippi
Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:47 AM

Donnie:

Do I understand you to say that you are going to paint your deck planking? If so, why? Just curious.

Russ

 

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:43 AM
I like to sometimes plan ahead and select my deck colors so that I can get that settled in my mind and I believe that I have done so. I believe that I have matched as close and I can get to the decking based on the photos I have seen of the ship. This is my recommendations (my opinion only) at least this is what I plan to do. These are the two colors that come to the closest match, but I am only going to sect one:

Polly Scale Railroad Colors: Aged Concrete F414320

Model Masters : SAND 33531

I have some wooden sticks that I have tested and I personally am going with the
Model Masters SAND 33531. It is just a tad bit brighter than the Aged Concrete.

As someone said "Ignore the names and numbers" just go with what is best - a color is a color.

Now I can't find any planking locally for the hull. I noticed that my favorite online store is out of stock, But I did manage to build in about 2 hours a "wood stripping tool". I can now take a sheet of basswood or whatever and adjust my jig and stip the wood width to what ever I want. 




If anyone wants a parts list to this thing, they are welcome. I scratched built this in my head and drew it out on paper. When I got home from work, I made it in about 2 hours.  A #11 blade would not be as big.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Friday, June 9, 2006 10:24 PM
Tomorrow June 10th, Saturday, starts the SGB ! 
Let the building begin.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Thursday, June 8, 2006 1:48 PM
Dan,
that is excellent material ! Wow!! [wow]

Thanks
Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 8, 2006 2:08 AM

I was looking online for images of the rebuilt Sultana and found a site that has quite a few very large pictures of the Sultana http://ship25bsa.org/images/03081923_HMS_SULTANA/HMS_SULTANA.html

 

Dan

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:53 PM
Bruce,
I am very excited about this project and you are correct. I certainly do not want to discourage anyone from having fun and getting excited about the build.

Chuck has really done a fantastic job and you are correct in that he has really elevated the bar and has given us a fine example indeed !

This afternoon, I was getting my wooden block made so that I can have something to screw the hull to in order to put the hull in my vise. I picked up some basswood at Hobby Lobby and plan to try and make that cradle too.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:31 PM

Fippy, welcome aboard.

Chuck, thanks for the drawing.  The latest photo is really something.  You are certainly setting the bar high for all of us.  I have found the photos in your building guide incredibly helpful and any you care to share would certainly be welcomed by me.

Donnie, my thoughts are I don't have any problem with setting up some sort of schedule as a goal to keep things moving along but I hope that it would not be thought of as anything else.  No need to take any of the fun out of this by putting any kind of pressure, even if it is self imposed, to get things done according to a time frame.  There is enough of that going around in the rest of life. 

Tomorrow evening I hope to have some time to plan out what I need to get lines up to be able to start off when this weekend comes.  The next problem will be to find the time on Saturday to get things rolling! Can't wait to start and to see what everyone else is doing. 

Bruce

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:33 PM

This might be a good start.  Here is a picture of the original draft for the Sultana.  Look at the Headrails and stem.  It is different than the way it is presented on the kit plans.  Also, the sizes of the hatches dont match.  Specifically the 3 smaller hatches.  They are all the same width on the origanal draft but not so on the Model Shipways plans.  This might be splitting hairs but I dont know how accurate some of you want to build her.  I sized the image to fit nicely on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper but set you printer to landscape.  It is an enlargement so it is a little blurry but will do when you are comparing it to the kit plans.  There is a beautiful image of this plan in Harold Hahn's "The colonial Schooner" which you can take out of the library.  The book is out of print and I cant scan from it because the image spans two pages and falls into the gutter of the book.  You can see every last detail of the draft.

Chuck

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:08 PM

Hello folks,

I am just trying to figure out how to post an image here.  I think I have it figured out.  I have been working on the rails towards the stern. I am almost ready to start building the masts and start rigging.  I will keep you posted and want you know that I have pictures of almost every step along the way and can post them if you need to see them.  I had to reduce them for the PDF guide but can enlarge them here if you need more details.   This might be too big though.

Thank you so much for allowing me to participate. 

Chuck

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:51 PM
    Updated list -June 10th Roll Call:  A List of SGB'ers

  1. schoonerbumm *
  2. Donnie *
  3. BCS *
  4. cthulhu77 *
  5. radguylvn
  6. scottrc *
  7. Seamac *
  8. Dan Giossi *
  9. Fippy *
  10. jgonzales ?
  11. radguylvn ?
The members that have the (*) are the ones that are basically ready to go or are in steady preparations. I have not heard from jgonzales or radguylvn
If I have missed someone, please forgive me and let me know so that I can add your name to the list.
Donnie

Contributor Consulting
  1. ChuckP
  2. jtilley
  3. Russ39

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:39 PM
Well,
welcome aboard Fippy to the Sultana Group Build (SGB). I am delighted that you got your kit and almost ready to go. The offcial start date is this Saturday so be quick and clear off a space !
You have come to the right place and the right time - good timing on your part. I hope that all the combined experience here will help not only you but will help me as well.

Again, Welcome !

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.