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Model Shipways "Sultana" Group Build 2006

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 15, 2006 8:48 AM

Very nice Donnie.  "I love it when a plan comes together".  looking good.

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Saturday, July 15, 2006 8:28 AM
Whoa Nelly! Fuzzy or not, that is looking spectacular! 
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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:45 AM


Sorry about the lousy image. Battery running down on Camera -

Donnie

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, July 14, 2006 11:16 PM

First the easy part.  The "sharpening angle" (in this case 18 degrees) is the angle formed by the two faces of the blade, when viewed from the side.  So for sharpening purposes, the angle between the stone and the blade needs to be 18 degrees.

Books are available that are devoted entirely to sharpening.  Traditionally, it's an acquired skill.  In recent years various companies have designed a number of interesting jigs that hold the tool at precisely the right angle as it's being dragged over the stone (or stones).  (I'm not aware of any that would hold a tiny Xacto blade firmly enough, though.)  To sharpen a dull blade usually requires several stones, and the variety of stones on the market is mind-boggling.  There are India stones, Arkansas stones, ceramic stones, diamond stones, Japanese water stones, Chinese water stones, and probably quite a few I don't remember at the moment.  Whether or not to use oil or water as a lubricant depends on the type of stone.  Some free thinkers swear by abrasive papers stuck down to sheets of glass; others use jigs to hold their tools against stones rotating on electric grinders.

Watching an old-time wood carver who really knows how to sharpen is quite an experience.  In the goode olde dayes, butchers and barbers were experts at it.  Part of the routine of getting a haircut used to be watching the barber strop his razor, using a big strip of leather that hung down from the back of the chair.  He could get a - literally - razor-sharp edge in a few seconds.)  And the butcher had to learn to sharpen his knives and cleavers several times a day.  The one in our neighborhood would sharpen customers' cutlery for 25 cents a blade.

A few years ago I decided to give traditional sharpening a try.  I'm still learning, and it takes me a while to sharpen anything, but I'm proud to say I can sharpen a chisel or a Swiss Army knife well enough that I can usd it to shave the hair off my forearm without mutilating myself.  I normally use three stones:  a coarse black India (with oil), a fine red India (with oil), and an extra-fine grey Arkansas (with oil).  As the final step, I hone the edge on a wood-backed leather strop charged with a yellow honing compound stick.  All that is kind of fun and relaxing; I try to make myself hone my chisels, planes, and carving tools before I put them away at the end of a session.  And I sharpen my pocket knife once a month or so. 

Frankly, I've never bothered to sharpen an Xacto blade.  The steel they're made of isn't very good.  That means they don't hold an edge long.  It also means they don't cost much to replace.  A couple of years ago I bought a big supply of them in various shapes when Model Expo was selling them at bargain prices in a summer sale.  I haven't come close to using all of them up yet.

One trick I picked up from a friend:  Have two Xacto handles of different colors - say black and red.  When you get out a new blade, put it in the black handle, and transfer the old, dull one to the red handle.  If you need to use the knife for some brutal, crude job, like scraping paint or whacking a piece of hardwood roughly to shape, pick up the red handle.  For fine work, use the black one.  That will make your blades last longer.

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, July 14, 2006 10:31 AM

http://www.ruthannzaroff.com/carving/toolcare.htm

try this link. I have never thought about sharpening xacto blades, I just bought a pack of them.

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 14, 2006 12:27 AM
Hmm.. here's something that annoyed me tonight. I have a couple of blunt blades now after copious carving, so I bought a sharpening stone. I feel totally idiotic but I can't seem to get a sharp edge on my blades. I've tried scraping it at all angles in all directions. Oddly I didn't find much advice on the web either, other than "for x-acto blades, sharpen at 18 degrees." To vertical or horizintal? Do I need to oil the stone or not? Some say yes, others no. I obviously have no idea what I am doing here, he he. Does anyone know how to use a sharpening stone? Does anyone bother? Buying hundreds of blades is a little more expensive and wasteful than I really wanted to do. Thanks :)

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:48 PM

Fippy,

 

Elmers is great stuff.  It is water based.  Just add a few drops of wate and stir.  You will like the consistancy.  Just dont water it down to much.  Add a little at a time until you have the consistancy you want.

I have also seen a dark green color paint for the inside bulwarks.  It didnt appeal to me.  I tried to use the color scheme as shown on the replica in MD.

Chuck

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:39 PM
Donnie, that planking looks great! Wow, I doubt I could have done a job as good as that, at least not without practice - it looks fiddly. I agree with Chuck that when you have finished it should look awesome. I notice that you have less planking than Chuck, but again personal preference - I like both ways.

I also agree with what  Chuck said about just doing things the way you want to even if it deviates from either the plans or the experts. At the end of the day we all have to look at our finished models all-day so they have to be what we like. It's fun to see how everyone in the SGB does things differently. I'm learning a heap of stuff even if I am not applying it yet.

Donnie, I think your planks will look ok painted too. Which brings me to colours. I notice that Chuck went with stained planks and red trim with a white hull below the wale. I've seen another Sultana model on the web that used blue trim. I've decided to paint my lower hull white, and yellow above the wale. I contemplated painting the trim blue, i.e. on the inner bulwarks, around the transom etc., but am not sure if yellow and blue will look wrong. I might just do it all yellow. Then black for the usual stuff. What colours are you using Donnie? And anyone else?

Right now I'm contemplating changing my wood filler. I'm not at my worktable, but I believe it is MMC White Putty for modellers, though it is actually a grey-blue colour. It dispenses very dry and seems to crumble easily on outside edges, although it does fill holes and cracks nicely. Is this typical. Reading other forums it seems that many people have had this problem with Elmers Filler and other types too.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:38 AM

The "stepped hull" just refers to the carved 1/16" receesed area that you carved around the hull to accept the planks.  It is coming along great.  Painting the hull sounds fine.  What I enjoy most about this hobby is the ability to take a kit and make it my own.  I should have the two masts completed this weekend along with the shrouds and stays.  Again a question arises.  Should I create a mouse for the stays or not?  How about a mouse for the fore stay and not the main stay?  Or none at all?  The so-called experts continue to debate this point.  I know this is jumping ahead for most of you, but I thought I would mention it.  Does it really matter.  As long as you build the model neatly and with first-rate craftsmanship it becomes a personal preference.  Like Harold Hahn,  I will probably show the fore stay with a mouse and the main stay without one.  Having fun as always.

 

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:37 AM
I am using 1/32 thick planks by 3/32 wide. I cut my own planks out of a sheet of 1/32" thick Basswood. I used the stripper that I made. I don't think that the advertised 1/32" thick was exact. I think it was just a tad thicker. I think like you and using the same for inside the bulwarks. The rest I am not sure of. I must asked a question: what is a stepped hull? 
I think that I am going to take a pin vise and imitate the nails. I am sure that you will cringe, but I plan to paint the hull and not stain it. So far, I am happy with what is going on here - has been alot of work, but all in all, it has been worth the extra effort. I think that Fippy is carving his hull - and as a matter of fact, he is really doing a great job of carving his hull. He has alot of determination and patience. This is what is good about the SGB, it is that each person can do what they want - again - thanks Chuck for your incouragement.

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:08 AM

Donnie,

I think it looks great.  That was why I used such thick planking.  Afterwards you have some extra thickness so you can sand it to shape further.  It does look nice.  Your planks look to be about 1/16"  thick.  Are they?   After a final sanding you will be very pleased.  If I remember correctly you were planning on using thinner planks on the inside of the bulwarks.  I would recommend using thicker planks.  With the planking process underway you can see why that is best.  What type of wood are your planks?  It looks like bass wood.

I cant wait to see pictures after it is sanded and stained.  Will you be using tree nails?  Are you happy with the results?  As a technique, planking above the wales and creating a stepped hull?  I am just curious.

 

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:26 PM
Some progress - had to do some major carving sanding again after I started laying the planks down. The planks don't lie - gotta have a trued hull.









enjoy
Donnie


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:34 PM

Fippy,

That looks like it is coming along well.  I have been busy with other projects for past couple of weeks but I can now get back to this one and I am looking forward to stirring up some more dust.  Looks like you are really blazing a fine trail Donnie.

Keep those photos coming so I know what I'm heading for.

Bruce

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:03 AM
Fippy,
it looks like you are well on your way to some great progress there. Keep up the good work - looking good!

Donnie
I hope that I can do some pics tonight of my upper planking.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:40 AM
Wow, that's a lot of effort to go to to get a crew, but it's worth every bit of it. It looks great.

My first pass at carving the bulwarks and steps is done. Subject to further sanding and more TLC, here's what I have so far. OK, so I'm not the most accurate carver in the world, but it's my maiden build so I'm allowed leeway, right? ;-) Luckily the deck planking will cover a lot of my sins.



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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:56 PM

Many thanks.  Don't let the rigging of the Sultana scare you.  That ship has about a tenth as much of it as either the Hancock or the Bounty - and you're working on a scale that's twice as large.  That kit is just about the best one I can think of for introducing rigging.

The figures on the Bounty and Hancock models are came from plastic kits - sometimes with fairly extensive modifications.  The following oddly-assorted kits have figurest that are the right size:

Revell - Bounty, Santa Maria, and harbor tug Long Beach.  (The Continental Marine on the Hancock's forecastle started out as the soldier with the helmet and breastplate in the Santa Maria, and the captain of the tugboat is standing on the footrope under the spritsail yard.)

Airfix - Endeavour.

Aurora (ex-ITC) - Sea Witch.  (The figures in that kit are pretty obviously pirated from the aforementioned Revell kits, sometimes with their poses altered a little.)

The figures on the Phantom are HO railroad people from the excellent range made by Preiser, of Germany.  Preiser figures come in two forms:  small sets (five to eight people each), prepainted (not very well, but quite expensive), and large sets, unpainted (terrific bargains).  These particular guys came from a big box of nineteenth-century railroad people.  (As a matter of fact the figurehead of the Hancock is also a Preiser figure. On the real ship he was larger than life size.  By pure coincidence, putting the model on 3/32"=1' made an HO person just the right size.  He's got a new hat, new legs, and new jacket, from sheet styrene.)  The cat looking down the after hatch of the Phantom is from a set of cats and dogs made by Woodland Scenics, painted in the markings of my landlord, Willie II.  The checkerboard is also from a Woodland Scenics set; the checkers themselves are slices of plastic rod.

HO scale is1/87, which obviously is a little bigger than the Phantom's 1/96.  The people who sculpted the masters for HO figure sets, however, seem to have different ideas about how tall adult human beings are.  In a given Preiser box some of the people are going to be conspicuously too big; others are right about six feet tall.  If you're looking for a crew for a 1/96-scale ship, it's worth looking through the stock in the railroad department of a good hobby shop.  Quite a few companies make figures that can be pressed into service.

It should also be remembered that the big Revell sailing ship kits, the Cutty Sark, Constitution, and Kearsarge (and their clones), contain beautifully-sculpted figures on 1/96 scale.  So does the company's so-called "Spanish Galleon," which otherwise doesn't deserve to be labeled a scale model.  So does the little Revell Golden Hind. 

I've never wrestled with the problem of finding people on the Sultana's scale, 3/16"=1' (or 1/64).  Such individuals should be about 1 1/8" tall (or a little shorter).  I don't know of any commercially-available figures that meet that description - though I think Model Expo may offer some cast metal ones. 

It might be worth looking at some of the many sets wargamers' figures on 1/72 scale.  A six-foot person on 1/72 scale would be 1" tall; he or she would be 5'4" on the Sultana's scale.  That's not an unreasonable height - especially in the eighteenth century.  (We've all heard that people were shorter in those days.  The difference is often exaggerated in the popular imagination, but there's some truth to it.  And some individuals are still 5'4" tall.  I happen to be one of them, as a matter of fact.)  Most of the 1/72 sets I've seen are molded in soft plastic, which makes it tough for paint to stick to them when they're handled.  But on a model in a glass or plexiglas case that's not a problem.

I agree completely that figures add a great deal to a ship model.  One of my heroes is Harold Hahn, who carves his own exquisite figures out of wood.  His "Colonial Shipyard" diorama in the Mariners' Museum, where I used to work, is a masterpiece - and includes a wonderful model of the Sultana. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:09 PM
Those are all really nice models. Wow! I must admit rigging is beginning to frighten me :) Luckily I am up for the challenge. All in due course.

Thanks for sharing those. Where did you get all the sailors from? I think they really bring the models to life as if you modelled the scene in the process of getting uderway or whatever.

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, July 10, 2006 3:37 AM

I suspect a lot of Forum members are thoroughly sick of looking at my pictures, but here's a link to them (courtesy of our good friend Michel.vrtg, who was kind enough to post them on his site):  http://www.hmsvictoryscalemodels.be/johntilleygallery.htm  The Bounty is based on the old Revell 1/110-scale plastic kit; the Phantom is a somewhat modified version of the Model Shipways kit, which at that time was being sold with a cast resin hull. (The current version has a pre-carved solid wood hull, like the Sultana kit.)  The Hancock, on the scale of 3/32"=1', is scratchbuilt.

I've thought about taking a photo of the Hancock in the water, but it wouldn't look right.  The model apparently is a little heavy for the scale; it rides with the wales under water.  I like to claim, though, that it's got just about as many miles on it as the original ship did (prior to her capture by the British).  The model's hull crossed the Atlantic once - inside a cardboard box, inside a suitcase, in the baggage compartment of a TWA airliner.  That was in the halcyon days of the late seventies, when one-way tickets from New York to London were selling for $135 - and even a starving grad student could afford one.

The B&D Workmate is a really versatile ship modeling tool.  You can use those orange plastic clamping dogs to hold your model's baseboard.  Keep your feet on the Workmate and the model will, to all intents and purposes, be rigid.

You'll probably find you have all sorts of occasions to pick up the finished model without the baseboard.  When you (or your assistant) do so, it's worth remembering three basic rules that people in museums learn about handling artifacts:  1.  Always use both hands.  2. Never pick it up without figuring out in advance exactly where you're going to put it down.  3.  Don't carry it by hand over any distance if you can avoid it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 10, 2006 12:42 AM
Hmm... thanks jtilley. I do have a B&D Workmate and from your description it doesn't sound too risky to switch out baseboards at the end. Your tips about rigging are duly noted - I would not have thought about that. I am so glad to be surrounded by you experts during my maiden build. I think I will make a temporary baseboard like you suggest.

That's funny about you floating your Hancock model. Boy are you brave. You should have gotten someone to take a photo of you doing that. In fact can you point me to a site where you have photos of your Hancock? I'd love to see it.

Donnie, looks you are moving on with your planking. As I said before I'm going to skip planking on my maiden build. Put up some planking photos soon please?

This afternoon I made a start carving the bulwarks. Easier than I had imagined but still not something I plan on rushing. Photos once I am done.

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:20 PM

That's a perfectly legitimate - and traditional - way to bend wood.  It works even better if the can is full of hot water.

Another trick (which I haven't tried, but those who have tell me it works beautifully) is to soak the wood for an hour or so in ammonia.  That sometimes discolors the wood (the technique is best for parts that are destined to be painted), but the ammonia apparently relaxes the wood structure (temporarily) even more effectively than hot water.

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:09 PM
Ok,
all can laugh at this one, but it works for me. I ran my plank under hot water for about 15 seconds, and slowly bent the wood a little at a time, and a little more hot water for about 10 seconds enough then to wrap around this small can.  After about 30 minutes or so I remove the wood strip and apply to boat.
The reason that it looks that way is that I form the arch to cup around the bow of ship.

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:02 PM

Wrapping the baseboard in cloth till the model's finished should work all right (barring some major blow to the baseboard).  But making a temporary base out of plywood or some other wood does have some additional advantages.  For one thing, as I mentioned earlier, you can clamp it in a vise, or to the surface of your workbench, without worrying about damaging anything important.  (If you've got a Black and Decker Workmate, or something similar, that's just about ideal.)  You'll find that having the model absolutely rigid in front of you is highly advantageous. 

Another advantage to the temporary baseboard approach will become obvious when you start working on the rigging.  There will be several occasions when you'll want to tie lines off temporarily to some point outside the ship.  If you've got a temporary baseboar, you can pound a small nail or staple into it and tie off said line anywhere you want - secure in the knowledge that the tension on it won't vary when you move the ship and baseboard around.  When you're getting ready to rig the lower shrouds and stays, for instance, it's helpful to rig heavy, temporary lines from the lower mastheads to the baseboard, thereby getting the masts in exactly the positions you want them to keep.

Mounting the finished model on the "official" base isn't difficult - provided you've done everthing right.  Make sure the holes in both permanent and temporary baseboards are exactly the same distance apart.  When it comes time to take the model off the temporary baseboard, put it on a table and slide it to the edge, so one of the screw holes overhangs the table.  (Better yet, if you've got a dining room or kitchen table with a removable leaf, spread the ends apart and line the model up with the screw holes over the gap.  Or if you've got a Workmate, make use of the gap in it.)  It helps to have an assistant.  Get down under the table with a screwdriver and take out the screws.  Have the assistant hold the model still and pick it up when it comes loose.  Shove the screws up through the holes in the permanent baseboard, and have the assistant hold the model while you drive the screws back into it.  I wish I had a dollar for every time I've gone through that ritual with my Hancock model (though I admit it still makes me a little nervous).  That one has two baseboards.  One forms the base of the case where the model normally lives; the other is a piece of plywood with decorated edges, which I've used on several occasions when the model has been temporarily exhibited in a bigger case at a museum.  That second baseboard also comes in handy for taking photos.  One time I happened to have the Hancock out of its case upstairs, in a bedroom adjacent to the bathroom.  Out of sheer curiosity I filled the sink with water and gently lowered the model into it.  Much to my surprise it floated on an even keel - though a little low in the water.  That was its maiden - and only - voyage.

One other thought - when you get your brass pedestals, the last thing you should do before mounting them to the model for the last time is to polish them and give them a coat of clear, gloss lacquer.  (A good way to do it is to buy a small can at the hardware store and carefully dip the pedestals in it.)  Otherwise they'll turn black in a few months.

Good luck.

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, July 9, 2006 9:51 PM
Fippy,

I am right with you on all these things you are considering. I was wondering myself the advantage of having the 'cradle' that they suggest other than holding the ship after the hull is completed.

I have progressed to starting planking above the Wales. I used my stripper that I made and stripped the 1/32 thick planks by 3/32 wide or .100 wide which ever. This will produce about 6" wide plank to 3/16" scale or thereabouts. No one is going to argue casually looking at the model (at my house) !


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 9, 2006 4:55 PM
Thanks! That all sounds like very sound advice. I like to consider these things in advance. I've always been trained to think ahead. I was planning on using the brass pedestals from Model-Expo, as well as their presentation board (whilst I can router, I'm not that accurate). It seems to me that I would be best to mount the pedestals to the hull immediately after finishing and painting the hull, keel and rudder (basically anything that requires the hull be inverted), and then mount it all permanently to the presentation board so that I'm not fighting later with trying to mount the completed model to the presentation board. I could then cover the presentation board with a thick cloth or padding to prevent damage, paint drips, etc.

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:30 AM

I'll take the liberty of offering a couple of small suggestions based on bitter experience. 

Eventually you're almost certainly going to want to fasten the model down permanently to some sort of base.  There are lots of ways to do that - pedestals, cradles, keel blocks, etc. - but all of them entail mounting some sort of fastenings (probably wood screws) in the bottom of the hull.  A permanent mounting system is especially important if you're going to put the finished model in a case - as I hope you are.

Whatever mounting method you use, the sooner you figure it out and make provision for the fastenings, the better.  If, for example, you intend to mount the model on a pair of those nice Model Shipways brass pedestals, you'll eventually have to drill a pair of holes through the keel and into the hull.  It's far, far easier to do that before you install the bulwarks, deck furniture, etc., while you can still lay the hull upside down on your workbench without damaging something.  (Obviously the best tool for the job is a drill press, but it's not essential.)  A good way to do it is to make up a couple of simple wood blocks to substitute temporarily for the pedestals themselves while the model is still under construction, and install the real pedestals at the last minute.  Then screw the model down to a conveniently-sized board or sheet of plywood.  It's not a bad idea to put a couple of additional blocks, with some sort of cloth padding on top of them, so that if you have to exert any forces that tend to twist the hull the mounting screws won't have to take all the strain.

In any case, having the hull screwed down firmly to a board will make your life a great deal easier. As you get further along with the detailing process, you don't want to have to hold the hull in your hands.  A further small sophistication is to fasten a couple of strips of wood underneath the temporary baseboard that can be clamped in your vise, to hold the model rigid on your bench.   

The idea of gluing a tracing of the transom onto the hull as a shaping guide is sound up to a point - but be careful.  (This is going to be a little tough to verbalize, but if you visualize the situation it's pretty simple.)  Remember that the side, bow, and stern views on the plans are drawn as though the shapes in question were projected onto a vertical plane.  (Occasionally a draftsman will provide an additional "expanded" view of a part like a transom, but that's highly unusual.)  The transom is not a flat, vertical piece; it's slanted, and it curves slightly outward in the center.  So the view of it from the stern (which shows what it would look like if its outline were projected onto a vertical plane) is different from what the transom would look like if it were (hypothetically) removed from the ship and flattened out.  That flattened-out shape is, in essence, what you're going to have to make when you cut a piece of wood to form the transom.  If you trace the outline of the transom from the stern view onto a piece of wood (or styrene, or cardstock, or whatever) and wrap it around the curvature of the ship's stern, your transom will be too narrow (because you didn't allow for the curvature) and too short vertically (because you didn't allow for the fact that the transom is tilted).  That "projection" phenomenon will also affect the details on the transom.  The windows won't be tall enough, and - if the draftsman who drew the plans was really careful - the difference in width between the center window and the ones on the sides will be exaggerated. 

I'm not sure how big the discrepancies are; I'd have to look at the plans to tell.  I remember when I was working on my little Revolutionary War frigate I plotted out the difference between (a) the vertical height of the transom, as taken from the scrap view in the Admiralty draft, and (b) the actual, linear distance from the top of the transom to the bottom of it, as measured on the sheer plan.  The difference was, if I remember correctly, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1/8".  On 1/128 scale, that's quite a bit. 

There are two ways to solve this problem.  The more accurate and meticulous is to make a "true-view" drawing of the transom, plotting out its dimensions from the sheer, body, and deck plans.  That isn't as difficult as it sounds, but it does require some careful drawing and a little plane geometry.  The other approach is to "eyeball it."  Take the actual measurement from the top of the transom to the bottom from the sheer plan (side view).  Take the measurement of its width from the body plan (stern view) and add, say, 1/4" to compensate for the curvature.  That's too much.  So after the transom is in place, trim the ends of it down till they look right.  (The first and second Golden Rules of woodworking:  #1 - Measure twice, cut once.  #2 - It's easier to make a piece of wood smaller than to make it bigger.)

By the way - give careful thought to the material you're going to use for the transom.  You can make it from thin sheet basswood; if the model is going to be in natural finish overall that's probably the best route.  On my Hancock,  whose stern was destined to be painted black and yellow, I eventually decided to make the entire transom assembly from sheet styrene.  It's amply flexible to wrap around the curvature of the stern, holds a nice, sharp edge, and can easily be cut to form the window openings.  (I made the windows themselves from clear styrene sheet, with the "frames" made from waterslide decal stripes.  But I was working on a scale twice as small as the Sultana's.  Remember that the window in the center of the transom is a painted dummy; real glass in that location would only serve to give outsiders a view of the rudder.  (I know of at least one other famous ship that had a fake window in her transom.  An entry in the logbook of H.M.S. Bounty  mentions that, one nasty day off Cape Horn, a sea "struck the stern and stove all to pieces between the cabbin windows, where the sham window is.")

Good luck.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 9, 2006 1:17 AM
Thanks Chuck! That's a splendid idea. I'll try that.

This afternoon I made my little cradle according to the instruction manual, ready to start carving the bulwarks. The cradle works great but it brought up an immediate question:

The verticals of my cradle (stations 2 & 7) come right up to the deck line. I wanted maximum suport for the hull so that it wouldn't roll in the cradle. However, when I come to add the wale and planksheer, my cradle is going to get in the way. I'm also figuring that the cradle (made from 1/4" ply) is going to scratch the nicely painted hull when I move onto deck furniture and rigging.

I'm thinking of moving to a different form of cradle - one that uses horizontally mounted C-clamps to push against the hull with padded tips, say 2 per side. Has anyone built such a jig or want to comment on my primitive inginuity? :)

Excuse the hurried sketch. An Artist I am not.



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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 8, 2006 9:18 PM

Fippy,

It's coming along fine.  If I might make a suggestion?  Photocopy the transom and tape it to your hull.  You have carved it to the point where if you do so it will give you a better idea of how the final shape will look.  You will be able to see if the counter is even and how the transom will fit.  If you like the transom straight up and down than so be it.  If after you see the taped transom in place and you dont like it, then you can simply glue some wood back on the hull and reshape it.  Either way as you progress further my guess is that you will want to keep working the stern. 

The curved "Tuck" of the hull below the counter can be shaped with some coarse sanpaper.  Just round it as best you can.   Good job and keep the photos coming.

Chuck

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 8, 2006 5:27 PM
I've been finding the stern particularly challenging, but I think I have it almost done now. I'd appreciate comments:

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I don't think my transom piece is angled enough but I personally like the slight angle that I have it as. I really didn't know what to do with the rounded piece so I carved it the best I could. I haven't done the little curved counter yet. I was saving that for when I do the rudder.

Obviously it is only coursely sanded right now and I may patch it with filler in a couple of places to try to get sharp edges.

Comments from ye expertes? :)
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 11:40 PM
Thanks,  that answers my question on the wale,  I remember reading that most of the paints were just creations of different materials to get a colored water seal,  not paint like it is today. 
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Posted by Russ39 on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 10:19 PM

Dan:

Ships of that era almost always had their wales heavily coated with tar. Although the tar of the period was a very dark brown concoction, after several applications over a period of time, this would result in an almost black color. I have never seen any mention of the color green for wales.

Russ

 

 

 

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