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  • Member since
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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:05 PM

I started the rigging tonight.

I'll take a pic when my hands stop shaking. 

Marc  

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Friday, November 16, 2007 9:23 AM

Marc,

Reading your WIP woes has got MY hands shaking!  Just the thought of my upcoming battles with PE control horns and such has got me sweating. Black Eye [B)]

I ATTEMPTED painting the woodgrain "stripes" on my prop yesterday, and I have to say it's about the worst job I've seen.  I am going to strip it this weekend and have another go at it.

Frank 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, November 16, 2007 5:56 PM

Sorry to put you to work Frank but the 1st page needs updating ‘cause I’M DONE!

Even with all the breakages… cabanes about 7 or 8 times, 1 of the interplane struts 3 times, the elevators 3 times, and I just stopped counting the control horns… I really had a blast building this little guy.  Dunno what’s accurate or not as far as parts, markings or anything else…. I just followed the directions. And as someone said in an earlier post, yup this WWI stuff sure is different.  Turned out the thing that I was afraid of the most turned out to be one of my favorite parts of the build… the rigging.  I used a method described in the IPMS Stockholm site. I fed the invisible thread through holes and weighted it with hemostats to pull it tight while little drops of CA cured and made a clean cut with a new razor blade.  After it all had a chance to set up I brushed each wire with India ink.

I am not happy with a few things like the re,re,re,re,re,glued joints in places, but overall I am pleased with the way it turned out.

As always comments and criticism welcome.  And yes, I will be doing more WWI.

 

Marc  

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  • From: Vernon, BC, Canada
Posted by razordws on Friday, November 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Beautiful Marc Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]

Dave

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Posted by Daywalker on Friday, November 16, 2007 6:27 PM

 razordws wrote:
Beautiful Marc Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]

That is truly a work of art!  I have gladly updated page 1 for you, but I didn't know which one you were going to start on next so I left that space blank (for now). Big Smile [:D]

Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ModelNerd on Friday, November 16, 2007 7:53 PM

Nice work Marc. Came out great. Very realistic. I never would have known you had any problems with it. Thumbs Up [tup]

 

- Mark

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, November 16, 2007 8:13 PM
Very nice work Marc.  Looks great from here.

Bob

 

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Posted by wyoroy on Friday, November 16, 2007 8:43 PM

Mark, very well done sireThumbs Up [tup]

Roy

Roy (Capt. Wyoroy FAAGB/USNFAWGB)

John 3:16

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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Friday, November 16, 2007 9:00 PM

Good lord! Shock [:O] Marc, your skill never ceases to amaze this model builder. I seriously think that there is nothing about this hobby that you haven't mastered or couldn't master. Considering what I've seen of your work since I've joined, I have to say with all honesty that you are at a level that few achieve. I am truly in awe of your talent, sir! Bow [bow] That is one impressive model!

...and thanks for the head's up on the interplane struts, my friend. Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Mark, welcome to the GB! I can only echo what others have said in that it is an honor to have you aboard! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by ModelNerd on Friday, November 16, 2007 11:22 PM
 ruddratt wrote:

...Mark, welcome to the GB! I can only echo what others have said in that it is an honor to have you aboard! Thumbs Up [tup]

Well thank you kindly, but you might take that back once you see my plane!Dunce [D)]

- Mark

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  • From: Lubbock, TX
Posted by MrDrummy on Friday, November 16, 2007 11:52 PM

Man!  Marc, that looks great!!  The rigging looks perfect!  Are you really going to do another WWI bird for the build?  Looking forward to that!

It's exciting to see some stuff getting finished!  Anyone else got any progress pics?

-Justin
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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:02 AM

 wing_nut wrote:
Sorry to put you to work Frank but the 1st page needs updating ‘cause I’M DONE! . . .I am not happy with a few things like the re,re,re,re,re,glued joints in places, but overall I am pleased with the way it turned out.  As always comments and criticism welcome.  And yes, I will be doing more WWI.

As well you should be.  Let me just comment on this please.

You chose one of the more involved WWI aviation kits (out of the box) that exists today.  British machines always involve more rigging than many other kits.  Even though you ran into several areas that were unfamiliar you weren't afraid to persevere and try something new.  It looks pretty straight and true (plumb and square).

My only critique is that rigging should always pass through the wing or fuselage surface adjacent to the struts. "Just my opinion."  It saves frustration, keeps the built-in strut strength and is closer to the original.   But you have done an excellent job of the overall effect.  I look forward to your next build. 

P.S. I know several good modelers that have had partially built Camels in their original boxes for more than a couple years.  They still haven't finished their builds.  Yours looks good and its finished properly.   Regards Stephen

 

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:38 AM

Nice work, Marc.  I've got to stop my whining and get my SS III done.  It could be worse, I could have a Camel on my tail!

So, what kind of a balance are we going to have at the finish?  More Huns, or more Allies?

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:26 AM

Thank you all so much for the very kind words.

 

Thanks Frank for running a great GB.  Action packed (at least on my bench[:-^)  and full of info.  I have a special project I want to start but when done... I may come back to make some noise (the kind that doesn't smellWhistling [:-^]) on the western front.Smile [:)]

Marc  

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:29 AM
It's been a pleasure Marc!  Your talent, wit and sense of humor are always welcome!  We'll keep a spot open on the bench for ya!

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:12 AM

 ModelNerd wrote:
Well thank you kindly, but you might take that back once you see my plane!Dunce [D)]

Oh, I've seen your work, Mark. Trust me, your skills will only add to the integrity of this GB. Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:09 PM

 ModelNerd wrote:
"HEY! I didn't know you boys were doin' a WWI group build! Can I play, too? As it turns out, I have an old Monogram Fokker D.VII on the bench as we speak. Room for one more? Please? Huh? Please?"

 

Its always a pleasure to see that smiling avatar and its acompanying comments!  Model On!

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:16 PM
Very nice work Marc.  Very impressive.

Bob

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:04 PM

Unusually quiet here today....hmmmm

Well, first let me say that I am in awe of the talent being displayed.  I'm hesitant to post progress pics, but since I lost my pride in a poker game many years ago.....

I'm ok with the prop & interior bits.  Not sure about the interior of the fuselage.  Just couldn't come up with the color combo that I was looking for.  I've got to do some testing before I paint the outside of the Albatros (varnished plywood) or go with the purple/black option.

edit-I decided that I the pic wasn't big enough so I took a few a little closer...hey, pixels are cheap...

Any & all suggestions/comments/critiques welcome.

Bob

 

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Posted by ModelNerd on Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:27 PM
Calling Stephen Lawson.... Come in Mr. Lawson...

Would you please validate (or reprimand) my decal drawing of my five-color lozenge artwork for my D.VII top wing? Based on all the data I could find on the web (including your well-written Aeroscale article), I think I understand, but then again, I stopped taking my medication years ago, and therefore I tend to think I know lots of things!

If I understand correctly, the bolt of cloth is laid out chordwise, and repeats, unlike the four-color lozenge, which is turned 180 degrees alternately each panel. The flaps were covered left-right, at 90 degrees off of the wing layout. I think. The whole thing can be rather confusing.



Many thanks for your input.

- Mark

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Posted by ModelNerd on Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:31 PM
 bobbaily wrote:
I'm ok with the prop & interior bits.  Not sure about the interior of the fuselage.  Just couldn't come up with the color combo that I was looking for.  I've got to do some testing before I paint the outside of the Albatros (varnished plywood) or go with the purple/black option.

Any & all suggestions welcome.



Looks like wood to me. Nothing wrong with it. Do not hesitate to post progress pics. Be proud of your work!

- Mark

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Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:59 PM
Thanks Mark.  I'm finding that it's hard to make plastic look like wood.

Bob

 

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Posted by ModelNerd on Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:03 PM

 bobbaily wrote:
Thanks Mark.  I'm finding that it's hard to make plastic look like wood.

Think that's hard? Try making wood look like plastic! Wink [;)]

- Mark

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:10 PM

Bob,

I think it looks just like wood!  What technique are you using for it?

Frank 

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:21 PM
 Daywalker wrote:

Bob,

I think it looks just like wood!  What technique are you using for it?

Thanks.  You know, I fiddled with it so much, I'm not sure....ok, for the interior bits, it was MM acrylic wood with a raw or dark umber oil wash with a 'rake' brush, followed by MM clear orange.  The prop was either tan or wood (wood I think) with leather in the center, again with clear orange.  The fuselage was MM wood, which I though was too dark, then painted with MM tan.  Then I drybrushed MM leather & tan  to attempt the woodgrain.  The framing was MM leather.  Then a coat of Tamiya clear yellow.  I really should have taken notes..Dead [xx(]

 

 

Bob

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:26 PM
Well, whichever one you used it looks just right to my eyes.  I think you should do the woodgrain on the outside of the fuse too! Tongue [:P]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ModelNerd on Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:00 PM

Time for the Ol' Nerd to deliver a progress report.

Monogram's D.VII will never be among the "cutting edge" in D.VII kit offerings, but as I stated earlier, this was a free kit, and who among us really cares turn down a free anything, right? I just saved myself around 30 bucks, too! This kit has plenty of room for improvement, here's what I've done so far:

Monogram gives you three cockpit components only: a control column, a seat, and a highly inaccurate instrument panel (according to my research. I should post a disclaimer right now that I am no authority on WWI aircraft, lest anyone mistakenly assume so!) The seat looked as if the pilot would slide right off, as there was little room for his fanny. So I added a little sheet styrene to make it pass the smell test:

 

If I did not add these bulkheads to the fuselage interior, there would have been noticeable gaps behind the engine and the seat. Again, just plain ol' sheet styrene:

 

If I wanted anything even close to passable, I was going to have to scratch my own cockpit. Here's the beginnings. Sheet styrene, styrene rod, and copper wire. I was able to use the kits control stick (the dark green part), as it was passable:

 

The guns are pretty basic, but again, as I am a cheap so-and-so, I was not inclined to replace them. I simply drilled out the barrels for a bit more authentic feel:

 

Here's a shot of some of the smaller parts/assemblies, ready for installation. The wood grain effect was accomplished by first spraying a tan color, then applying watercolor browns with a wide brush. The seat cushion was sculpted out of Sculpey (a craft clay which can be baked in the oven):

 

Here's a shot of my scratched instrument panel. Only about 95% accurate, I know, but don't tell the judges! Mike Grant decals were used.  The interior will eventually get lozenge pattern:

 

Here's the guns again. I added faux gunsights punched from sheet styrene. Should pass the "two foot" test, I think:

 

More to follow, comments welcome.

- Mark

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:02 PM
Looks good from where I'm sitting, Bob. There have been so many different techniques on display here, trying to achieve that wood effect, and each one has produced their own unique and at the same time spectacular results. Just one of the many aspects of GB's that make them so appealing to me.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:08 PM
Mark, that is some very nice work! Thumbs Up [tup] I've been witness to your scratchbuilding skills in the past, and have been eagerly anticipating what steps you were going to take with the Monogram kit. It was well worth the wait! That is exceptional work all around! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:16 PM

Thanks Frank-I hope to do the exterior as 'natural' but I am reserving the right to cover it with paint if necessary.

Thanks Mike.

Mark-great work with the scratch building. 

Bob

 

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