Winter Warriors GB 2008

Hello there, can I enter in a 1/35 Dragon King Tiger Late Production Ardennes 1944.  I bought this at Hobby Lobby for 25 bucks, it was marked down from 49.99.

FeldMarSchall Model wrote:

Hello there, can I enter in a 1/35 Dragon King Tiger Late Production Ardennes 1944.  I bought this at Hobby Lobby for 25 bucks, it was marked down from 49.99.

That's exactly how I got mine last year - clearance at Hobby Lobby.  You won't be disappointed with this kit.  The fit is essentially perfect, and with the extras included in the box, an OOB build will look very good.

Larry

dupes wrote:

Larry - did you use 2 different methods on each of these? Or did you just "tone down" the effect on the second one? Seems to me that most of the time the numbers/markings are either excluded from the whitewashing (leaving a small border of the original color around the marking) or repainted on top of the whitewash, rather than covered up.

I was wondering about how to do the markings - pre or after whitewash.  I was following what I read in the "Modelling the IS Heavy Tank" book by Nicola Cortese...and excellent book by the way.  He shows how to create a weathered worn white wash look by (1) applying base color, then (2) whitewash, then (3) apply more base color using a cosmetic sponge.  Iterate on steps 2 and 3 until the desire results are obtained. 

I used the same technique for the M8 and the T-70.  I performed 3 iterations on the M8, and only 2 on the T-70.  So consequently, the more iterations, the more refined and subtle the results.  I also used different colors on the sponge step for the T-70, while stayed with straight Tamiya OD for the M8.

Larry

Plastic_Cross - Yeah when I was looking throw what they had, and found this and saw the discount price I was going to get it.  I also found a Panther early production Tamiya kit, which was 21 dollors.  I hope this second King Tiger bulid will turn out better, than my first one did.  So far the parts fit very nicely, have had no problems yet.  And what is OOB, Im lost? 

And another thing, one of main coat colors is Middel stone, which looks very close to dark yellow.  Who sells this kinda paint? I haven't been able to find it. 

Thanks 

Ruddratt - we've always got room for more! Same goes for you as well, Feldmarschall Model. Consider both of yourselves offically added.

This is starting to turn into a big one...anyone have any WIP pics of their kits yet?

I've got a fairly boring one...got a bunch of mindless wheel and suspension stuff done while watching football this weekend - but now I get to start in on the fun stuff.

bufflehead wrote:

Larry, the M8 looks pretty good to me!  I'm not sure what you mean by "too extreme" on the T-70...looks like a vehicle whose whitewash is almost completely faded or worn off. What method did you use for both?

Thanks a lot bufflehead. I was thinking the T-70 looked too decayed. I appreciate your perspective and feedback.  Maybe it looks ok for a vehicle in the late stages of fading.  I gave a extremely brief explanation of the technique in response to Dupes below.  Let me know if you'd like me to expand on it some more.

Larry

FeldMarSchall Model wrote:

And another thing, one of main coat colors is Middel stone, which looks very close to dark yellow.  Who sells this kinda paint? I haven't been able to find it.

If I remember correctly FM, middlestone is the name for that color as manufactured by the paint company DML references in their instructions - I think it's Gunze Sangyo? They just mean to use good ol' dunkelgelb.

Oh, and "OOB" is Out Of Box, as in no aftermarket goodies.

dupes wrote:

FeldMarSchall Model wrote: And another thing, one of main coat colors is Middel stone, which looks very close to dark yellow.  Who sells this kinda paint? I haven't been able to find it.  If I remember correctly FM, middlestone is the name for that color as manufactured by the paint company DML references in their instructions - I think it's Gunze Sangyo? They just mean to use good ol' dunkelgelb. Oh, and "OOB" is Out Of Box, as in no aftermarket goodies.

Thanks for clearing that up dupes, I'll be going my LHS tommorrow to pick up paint needed for this King.  

Dupes, bufflehead, thanks for the warm welcome fellas! Got a few projects that I'm in the process of buttoning up, and after those I'll be commencing on a few others, this one included.

FeldMarSchall Model , middlestone is one of the colors used by the RAF in their tropical camo schemes. Gunze and MM both make it. Might be a bit too yellow for your Tiger.

I wasn't planning on posting these, but since dupes asked 

This is what I managed to do this weekend on my Dragon PzKpfw IV Ausf. G "Kharkov".  The detail is incredible compared to my old Tamiya Ausf. H!  Fit & finish was fantastic!  This is my first DML Smart Kit and I am impressed.

So what are you saying about the Tamiya Pz IV H? I've got one in the stash still waiting to be built...

Good progress! 

dupes, I'm talking about the ANCIENT Tamiya Panzer IV Ausf H...the one with the motorization holes.  Its an easy kit to build but the detail isn't anywhere close to the new DML releases and the fit can be horrible at times!

ruddratt, give the 1/35 range a try!  If you've built any of their new 1/72 Armor Pro series, its the same thing in regards to detail and quality!  DML may get a lot of flak on certain things (especially minute accuracy), but I've had nothing to complain about with their new releases.

ruddratt wrote:

Dupes, bufflehead, thanks for the warm welcome fellas! Got a few projects that I'm in the process of buttoning up, and after those I'll be commencing on a few others, this one included. FeldMarSchall Model , middlestone is one of the colors used by the RAF in their tropical camo schemes. Gunze and MM both make it. Might be a bit too yellow for your Tiger.

Didn't think I saw that at my LHS, but would dark yellow do? 

bufflehead wrote:

ruddratt, give the 1/35 range a try!  If you've built any of their new 1/72 Armor Pro series, its the same thing in regards to detail and quality!  DML may get a lot of flak on certain things (especially minute accuracy), but I've had nothing to complain about with their new releases.

I'm planning on doing just that, Ernest! Been thinking about taking a crack at their 1/35 88mm flak gun.....looks like an awesome kit!

....and great work on your Panzer IV! Wow, that thing looks better & better every time I see it!! Gotta ask how you did the zim. It looks fantastic!

FeldMarSchall Model wrote:

ruddratt wrote: Dupes, bufflehead, thanks for the warm welcome fellas! Got a few projects that I'm in the process of buttoning up, and after those I'll be commencing on a few others, this one included. FeldMarSchall Model , middlestone is one of the colors used by the RAF in their tropical camo schemes. Gunze and MM both make it. Might be a bit too yellow for your Tiger.   Didn't think I saw that at my LHS, but would dark yellow do?

That's what I would go with, either Tamiya's or Model Master's.

Mike, the actual color of German WW 2 tanks is not known for certain.  While the color was called dark yellow, the exact shade is unknown.  As long as it looks yellow, no one can prove that it is the right or wrong color, so I'm gonna say yes, almost any dark yellow will do. 

dupes, sorry I haven't gotten back to you.  I'll be building DML's skdfz 164 Nashorn.  I mistook the older old version for the new one when I bought it, and the old one (based on my research) was DML's first armor kit. 

It won't be the most detailed model ever, but I think I'm up to the challenge.  I'll fix what I can on the kit, and this will be the first kit that I attempt to correct and/or modify.  The only AM I plan to use at this point is a new sproket set, as the kit parts are poorly detailed and don't fit the tracks. 

DHM wrote:

Mike, the actual color of German WW 2 tanks is not known for certain.  While the color was called dark yellow, the exact shade is unknown.  As long as it looks yellow, no one can prove that it is the right or wrong color, so I'm gonna say yes, almost any dark yellow will do.

DHM, I know that you're correct in that. What I was stating was more of a personal preference. I once tried (in my earlier armor modeling days) middlestone as my dark yellow, but was unhappy with the results, as middlestone closely resembles yellow mustard in color. Just seemed a bit 'off' to me.

Think I'll go with dark yellow, made some progress today.  This is what I've done, the turret is almost done.

I think there is some confusion with the photos I posted today.  The first photo set is the DML Panzer IV...the one in gray styrene on the black cutting mat.  The 2nd photo of a more complete Panzer IV w/zim is an OLD Tamiya kit...tan styrene on the green cutting mat. I was just comparing the two for dupes.  Sorry if I misled anyone.  The Pz IV I'm doing for this GB won't have any zim since the timeframe is a few months before zim was introduced.

BTW, the zim on that old Pz IV is hand applied using R&J Zimm-it-Rite AND Aves Apoxie Sculpt (experimenting with both!), but the model still isn't painted yet.  Its a definite shelf queen, sitting there for over a year

Glad to see that lots of people are starting to make some progress! Sadly, I was ripping out my old power supply from my PC so the Panther sat idle on the bench all night.

Feldmarschall Model - dark yellow is definitely what you want as your base (in addition to  red/brown and dark green)...although for this build, the exact shade won't be CRITICALLY important, as most of it will be covered up in whitewash by the time you're done.

Detailfreak - you must have StuG fever! Like the looks of those...

Arki - can't wait to see that 109. You don't happen to have a scan of your markings sheet, do you...?

dupes wrote:

Arki - can't wait to see that 109. You don't happen to have a scan of your markings sheet, do you...?

Yeah, I should be able to come up with something for you.  It'll be tomorrow at best though.

Dupes, here's the winter scheme I'll be butchering.

The ICM kit is interesting.  I've built two Tamiya Bf-109E-7's and this isn't quite the same level of engineering.  ICM provides a full engine which is cool, but I'm planning on closing the cowls so it's just more work for little gain.  This engine also means the nose section and cowls are seperate pieces, so I'm sure I'm in for some ugly seam work. 

There's a good review of this kit here:

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=2597

I was hoping the quality control issue on the plastic would be limited to only the reviewers kit, but sadly that's not the case.  The orange peel is in full effect on the wings and there is a lot of flash to clean up.

I think I can, I think I can.....

Oh, this will be totally OOB.  That's two in a row for me!  Feeling lightheaded....