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DML Sdkfz 164 Nashorn COMPLETE pics p.14 03-13-10

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DML Sdkfz 164 Nashorn COMPLETE pics p.14 03-13-10
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:17 PM

Another weekend means the start of a new build and I decided to tackle an open-topped project that has been sitting and waiting for a while, DML's Premium kit of the Sdkfz 164 Nashorn Panzerjager. Since this weekend also coincided with NFL Divisional level playoff games, I didn't get in as much build time as I might have otherwise but still made the most of it. I'm not adding a whole lot to this kit aside from the workable tracks and some brass ammo from AFV Club and am using Nuts & Bolts Vol 14 as my guide throughout the build.

As mentioned, the NFL playoff games provided ample opportunity to take care of some of the tedious/routine tasks while watching TV and the first order of business in Step 1 was the cleanup of the many road wheel halves, assembly of the return rollers, idlers, and sprockets. The Premium kit provides the choice of either early or later style Pz III sprockets since the Nashorn used a grab-bag of readily available Pz III and IV components. N&B 14 has quite a few photos of the sPzJgAbt 525 in Italy and while there's a consensus of "early" vs. "standard" features, it's not uncommon to see vehicles sporting a motley combination of both early and standard features. With that in mind, I decided to use the earlier style Pz III sprockets after checking their fit with the 40cm MK SK-18 links. All of the road wheel halves had their molded on seam sanded down and left unassembled to allow for better detail painting in later stages. I mistakenly cleaned up all 20 of the road wheel halves provided even though only 18 will be used...the other 2 are extras but are cleaned up for when/if I ever need them in the future.

The kit instructions are the color photograph type where photos of the actual model parts in various stages of assembly are used vs. the more familiar b&w line drawing type...and as such, I have to remind myself to examine all the photos carefully in each step as many parts are shown already installed and the call-outs not so obvious. For example, I overlooked part C18 whenever I took the shot below and had to go back and install it when I noticed that later on. Step 2 deals with the lower hull tub and adds the front tow point extensions along with the final drive housings  and suspension elements. There were several shallow ejector marks in various spots around the lower hull, some raised and others sunken, that had to be dealt with before I added the suspension bogies. The suspension elements have to be carefully added to the hull side since there's a bit of play in their mount points so I test fit some of the road wheels on both sides to make sure they all sat level before the glue had set up. I left off the sprockets and idlers and the rest of the wheels for now and will install those much later on in the build.

That's as far with the construction as I wanted to go while sitting in the living room so I spent the rest of the time working on the MK tracks. The SK-18 set includes 208 links and the DML instructions call for 104 links per side since the Nashorn/Hummel hulls were stretched Pz IV hulls so the set may just barely provide enough links with no spares depending. The idler arm is adjustable somewhat so I think I'll be able to play with that when the time comes to insure the set will work. If not, I have extras left over from previous builds that can be called on if needed. I got about 2/3 of one track side done before calling it quits.

This one's on it's way and more progress to come next weekend!

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Posted by I make stuff on Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:46 PM

Cool the feature is just starting, and this front row seat is empty.

Watching with interest, Bill,

Bill

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:08 PM

Oh NO it ain't empty bro.Cool I don't know if i'll get use to these 3D glasses or not but I got my popcorn and my Black Crow gum drops.

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:30 PM

 

  Bill been feeling a little down since my Pats were knocked out last weekend so I was in need of some thing to get my mind off it and this will be just the ticketBig Smile.

  Surprising that MK doesn't give you a few more links with this set. Especially when these are intended to be used with the Nashorn.

  I have the older DML Nashorn, kit 6001, that I won in a raffle. Came with a couple of PE sets and a metal barrel wich was nice but I hear there are some inaccuracies with itConfused. If so would you know what they are?

               Steve

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:58 PM

Thanks Bill and Tony, glad you've got prime seats and are along for the ride!

Steve,

We all have to seek consolation where we can! My team is the Niners so I've been waiting a loooong time for the "rebuilding" to get done and let's just leave it at that! Wink To be fair to the MK set, it's designed for the Pz III/IV and not specifically for the Nashorn and, under those conditions, would provide plenty of spares since a Pz IV typically only needs 99-100 links per side and a Pz III only 92-93. The set is just barely big enough to also accomodate the Nashorn and I thought I should point that out early on for those who might be considering that as an AM option. The Premium kit does include Magic indy links and those will be used for the spare run across the nose.

As for the inaccuracies in kit #6001, I can't provide you with an exact list but I know it needs a lot of work especially in the details department. I believe there were also dimensional and detail issues with the glacis hull and the fighting compartment side panels but don't know the specifics. As the number suggests, it was DML's first all-in-house injection kit and it suffered as a result. N&B 14 comments that the area that suffers the most is the gun and recommends replacing that with resin sets from manufacturers I've never heard of. The PE sets will probably help dress up the interior and provide a lot of missing detail.

The "Premium" treatment that DML included has a pretty large PE fret that aims mostly at providing better detail for the ammo lockers as well as new sprues for the road wheels, sprockets, etc. but it addresses issues or updates the parts that were in their 2nd attempt, kit #6166 which PMMS has a review on: http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/dragon/dr6166.htm . So what you've got is actually 2 generations removed from the "Premium" kit  I'm working on...sorry I can't be of more help than that!

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:33 PM

 

    Thanks for that info Bill! Much appreciated.

49's huh? I figured you for a cowboys fanWink.

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:43 PM

Ho hum, Bill starts another kit. LOL Just kidding. It's amazing to see such dedication and drive to get on to the next project. I was all gung-ho myself, and my new space got taken over, so I'm a week or so from getting back into the game.

This has always been an intiguing subject that we don't get to see much of. Look forwrd to it.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, January 18, 2010 2:13 AM

panzerguy

    I have the older DML Nashorn, kit 6001, that I won in a raffle. Came with a couple of PE sets and a metal barrel wich was nice but I hear there are some inaccuracies with itConfused. If so would you know what they are?

               Steve

Steve, the old Nashorns and Hummel Kits were made by Dragon, and were simply "plopped" onto already-existing models of PZ IV hulls--which resulted in inaccurate dimensions because the actual vehicles were built on a lengthened hull. One of the other flaws were the funky-looking engine vents on the side, which were out-of dimension and the wrong shape. All those have been corrected in this kit, I'm pretty sure. You have to go waaaay back to find one of those old kits now.--the one that Bill has is NOT one of those old kits.

The Nashorn I did last year was this same kit, I believe, Bill. I used a Verlinden upgrade set with the resin gun as well. I also used those early sprockets too. I'll be watching with nostalgic pleasure...Cool

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 18, 2010 9:21 AM

Steve, yeah I hear that a lot...especially where I live in the state...El Paso is a near 100% Cowboys town! Big Smile

Eric, it's a sickness I think...I have to build! Wink It's my main avenue for stress relief and something I look forward to each weekend. Since I only build one kit at a time, as soon as one rolls off the bench it's time for the next one. Sorry to hear you've been deprived lately, hopefully you can get back to the bench quickly!

Karl, thanks for the long-distance interest! It's funny since N&B 14 says that the Verlinden set is inaccurate for the gun but doesn't say how/why...so take that for what it's worth. There's not a whole lot of parts for this kit so the build process shouldn't take too long (famous last words!).

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Posted by detailfreak on Monday, January 18, 2010 10:21 AM

Wbill76:glad to hear your not a cowboys fan as it saves you from a ribbin.VIKES RULE,had to do that ,Its been a long time coming.The convertible top afv's have always been a fav..Still kinda finishing up the Hornisse#6165 that I started for the 1000 road wheels g.b..Does that P.E. set contain ammo boxes/cabinets? As with all of your builds,I'll be keepin an eye on this one.Yes

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Posted by hughes2682 on Monday, January 18, 2010 10:25 AM

Bill,

Excellent! Another fellow modeler who paints armor wheels off.  I'm looking forward to watching the build of this kit.  "Shouldn't take too long".  That ranks up there with "Hey watch this" preceding a trip the ER.  Not that this will end you up in the ER

Cheers

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Posted by the doog on Monday, January 18, 2010 10:46 AM

Hey Bill,

I'm not surprised at all to hear that the Verlinden gun was inaccurate--remember the work I had to do to the fanciful Hetzer interior to accurize THAT?! lol!

If you come across the explanation why, lemme know--I'm curious to know if it's a "rivet counting" thang, or if it's something to fret about. For a guitarist, "fretting" comes natural-like....Propeller

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 18, 2010 1:13 PM

detailrfreak, yes it was very gratifying to see the Vikings really hand it to the Cowboys...especially that final touchdown. Big Smile Like you I'm a big fan of open topped AFVs and SPGs but have to keep a balance of course. The PE that comes in the Premium kit includes PE doors for the ammo cabinets with the option of posing them either open or closed and also includes PE for the ammo holders and racks as well but stops short of replacing the entire cabinet. Glad to have you along for the ride!

BeerDave, true enough about "famous last words"! I always paint my wheels off...makes life that much easier when using the draftsmans template IMHO.

Karl, can't offer you much more detail than what was mentioned...but my guess is that it probably had to do with barrel length/accuracy more than anything else as that was a problem on the original DML kit as well. I wouldn't "fret" too much, would hate for you to get a finger cramp! Propeller

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, January 18, 2010 2:04 PM

J-E-T-S  JETS JETS JETS

 

I was filppin' back and forth between the game and this show about steak houses with huge steaks. OMG it was a carnivores dream.  There one gigundo place in El Paso and I immediately though of you Bill.... and that I should go meet some of my modeling buddiesWhistling and... oh... I dunno... go have a big steakStick out tongue

 

Oh yeah,  nice work on the Hashorn tooBig Smile

Marc  

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 18, 2010 2:40 PM

Marc,

The description sounds like Cattleman's Steakhouse...they have some truly massive Porterhouse steaks with the biggest at 24 oz if memory serves called the "Cowboy". This of course comes with all the fixin's so it's one massive meal. Whenever we would entertain visitors from Air France they always wanted to to out there because they said it was something they just couldn't get in Europe! Texas does like to do everything bigger whenever they can for sure. If you ever find yourself down this way, it's definitely a place to check out. It's a fully functional cattle ranch and the food is excellent. Wink 

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 18, 2010 4:11 PM

Nothing like parts cleanup in front of the TV....(we will not discuss Dallas Whistling.....nor will we talk about the Jets

Off to another clean start. Picture directions can be deceptive. You have to look close and it depends at times what angle the photos are take from.  As an engineer.....always prefer the drawings Wink

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 18, 2010 7:32 PM

Thanks Mike! I was tempted to do more while in front of the TV but once I saw that there were ejector marks on the outside surfaces of the hull I knew that things would need to have closer inspection before assembly. That ruled out doing it in the non-bench quality lighting and of course distractions of the game! Wink

I hear you about the picture directions...it was an experiment that Dragon tried and abandoned but the Premium kits still get the old directions when they were used and are just upgraded with additional b/w diagrams were needed to use the "Premium" parts.

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, January 18, 2010 8:23 PM

detailfreak

Wbill76:glad to hear your not a cowboys fan as it saves you from a ribbin.VIKES RULE,had to do that ,Its been a long time coming.Yes

Vikes Rule! That game made my whole weekend. It didn't hurt that it came at the Cowgirls expense. Devil

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Posted by scratchmod on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:55 PM

Guess I missed the start of this build, but I've caught up now and am waiting on the next up date, can't wait. Go Bill Go

 

Rob

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Posted by figure freak on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:34 PM

You will love this kit, its really a nice kit and the suspension is nice because its still detailed but only one piece

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Posted by mg.mikael on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:17 PM

Yikes, I also missed the start of this build. But no worries I caught up quickly, and will be looking forward to the next update.Yes

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:34 AM

Rob, Figure Freak, Michael, nothing to worry about, this one's just barely getting off the ground. Glad to have you all along for the ride! Beer

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:22 PM

I made some more progress today and since tomorrow is the AFC and NFC Championship playoff games I'm going to continue working on tracks so figured I should go ahead and post the progress from today and get it out of the way.

Continuing on with the lower hull, I completed Step 3 which is a very simple step as it just adds the lower hatch insert for the radio operator's position to the underside of the glacis plate. While I had the plate loose, I decided to go ahead and address the molded on locator marks that are included there, some of which aren't used at all but the instructions don't indicate that you should remove any. You have to look ahead to Step 21 to see what would be used and what needed to be removed. I don't like leaving locator marks in place so I removed all of them due to their size as a matter of course with a micro chisel and then carefully sanded down the surfaces. The marks on the side of the driver's armored hood were the toughest to remove as they were thick and in a tight space due to the angles of the hood and the weld seams. For those I used the back of a #11 blade to carefully scrape them down and then sanded using an angled cut end of the sanding twig I normally use for tight spaces.

Step 4 preps the fenders by calling for some holes to be opened up on both fenders and the jack block installed on the right fender. I opened the holes with a #68 finger drill but left the block off for now. On the left side the holes don't need to be opened for the mount of the Bosch light as they are already molded open. It was only after I took this pic that I realized I opened up the wrong holes in the left fender...the holes I opened up were for the twin Bosch light seen on the Hornisse but deleted on the Nashorn so I'm going to have to fill those and open up the right holes for the jack block farther back on the fender. Chalk that one up to carelessness on my part and I don't even have the excuse of watching a game on TV to fall back on this time!

Step 5 then attaches the fenders and glacis to the lower hull. I added the glacis first and the fit was mostly ok with just a little bit of putty work required around the triangular corners that are welded to the hull vs. bolted like the rest of the plate. The fenders were next and I used the angled fighting compartment panels C14/C15 to insure I had a good fit and match into their grooves so that when they are installed later on the fenders aren't drooping or causing gaps in that area.

This step also installs the rear hull plate and it had some very deep ejector marks that needed to be filled with putty. These will likely be hidden by the large stowage box that occupies the rear floor area but I didn't want to take any chances so some quick work with Squadron White and the sanding twig fixed it up right. Some additional putty on the exterior joins with the hull sides was also needed in places. The floor was installed and this step also has the infamous M14/M15 inserts that are used to align the lifting eyes properly on the interior sides of the fighting compartment. The instructions now have a blue text that says "for positioning L4 only" and the "do not glue" icon but you don't actually install L4 if following the instruction order until Step 18 so I made a note on the instructions and will do that then instead of now.

Step 6 rounds out the lower hull by adding the tow pintle mount, the exhausts, the rear tow hooks, the crew step, and the spare road wheel mounts as well as other miscellaneous details. I left off the mounts for now and will add them later on but everything else got installed at this step. The top side of the tow pintle mount had large and deep ejector marks that had to be puttied and sanded down before installation. There are some unused mount pins on the hull side that have to be removed on both sides, easily done with the #11 blade, in order for the tow hook and track pin nudge plate to install correctly.

Since there's 2 games tomorrow I should be able to get the tracks together and assembled but I guess that all depends on how good (or not) the games are!

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:35 PM

Yeah... big day 'round here starting at 3 pmStick out tongue

Keep up the good work on the Nashorn

Marc  

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:49 PM

Bill I had big plans for tomorrow too and I still may get a little done before the first kick-off.Smile

She's underway and going to be a slick chick before long.Yes

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Posted by M1Carbine on Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:16 AM

Bill, off to a running start I see.  I love the Nashorne, this kit looks like a gem as well.  Staying tuned.

 

Bob

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:26 AM

Looks great  Bill. I always love to watch your WIP's....very informative, and inspiring.Yes

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:46 AM

Moving along nicely...I sure many modelers like most people are planning around the games.

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Posted by EliteModelling on Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:48 AM

does the Nashorn have the same hull as the Hummel? i swear it is the same but with just a differnet gun. nice build btw. thank you

-Adam J

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:43 AM

Marc, I bet life will come to a complete standstill in your area for approximately 5 hours! Big Smile I think the Jets have a good chance at knocking off the Colts, all depends on how well their defense can stand up to the punishment I think. Good luck!

Tony, I might still be able to squeeze some time in since the games don't start until 1 pm MST but have to see. Thanks for the comments!

Bob, thanks! The Nashorn is one of my favorite open-top vehicles. There's just something about it hauling around that massive 8.8cm gun that is appealing I guess!

Nate, thanks for the kind words and glad to hear the WIPs are helpful to you. It's how I get inspired myself (in terms of reading others blogs not my own that would be just too wierd!).

Mike, yeah I'm really looking forward to both games today. I don't normally watch football games on Sunday during the regular season since I'm at the mercy of the regional agreements as to which games they show but once the playoffs start I pay attention.

Adam, yes the Nashorn shares the same basic hull and design as the Hummel. The Hummel underwent other modifications during its production run in terms of how the driver/radio operator compartment was redesigned that didn't translate over to the Nashorn but otherwise they were produced side-by-side from 1943 right through to the end in '45. Other differences such as ammo storage and the layout of the fighting compartment were also different depending on whether the final vehicle was a Hummel or a Nashorn. Glad to have you along for the ride! Yes 

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