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DML Sdkfz 164 Nashorn COMPLETE pics p.14 03-13-10

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:24 PM

No worries Wayne, glad to have you along for the ride! Beer

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Posted by EliteModelling on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:54 PM

thank you for the response and thank you for giving me some information on the nashorn / hummel i guess we can call it! this will be a fun ride! thank you. Big Smile

-Adam J.

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, January 25, 2010 12:49 PM

Well, what a way to get the creative juices flowing! Have not done anything model related in about a month (citing holiday recovery), so I'm excited to see how this comes out. Hopefully will give me a swift kick of motivation too.

Herd (pun) about Cattleman's when I was going through school at Ft. Bliss, just a little out of a Spec. price range.

-StephenCowboy

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 25, 2010 1:53 PM

Thanks Stephen! You're definitely on the money in terms of the Cattleman's prices...only time I ever go out there is when we're entertaining certain clients. Too pricey and too far to drive otherwise! Wink

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Monday, January 25, 2010 6:02 PM

Wow, that is looking real good!! The Nashorn is my favorite open top vehicle of World War 2 as well, it really is just a great looking machine.

 

    Thanks, Jim

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Posted by EliteModelling on Monday, January 25, 2010 7:31 PM

i have to say the Marder III Ausf M is my favorite open top vehicle. the Dragon Marder is a very nice model(high recommendation) . many details. 

-Adam J.

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:34 PM

Thanks Jim, appreciate the comments! Beer

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:52 PM

Looking great wbill!  Hummel is one of my fav open top vehicles... body looks pretty same to your Nashorn so I wll be watching your work very closely as usual.  Best news... I already have the kit so no worries about me and my wife thing. LOL 

Andy

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:41 AM

Thanks Andy! The Nashorn seems to be a general crowd favorite! Wink

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:07 PM

As promised, I managed to get the MK tracks built for both sides between the last update and this one. I assembled 102 links per side and will wait until it's time for the installation to see exactly how many links I will need and add the extras then.

Returning today to the instructions, I picked up at Step 7 which starts work on the 8.8cm gun. Even though the Premium kit includes an aluminum barrel, the breech and first half of the gun are styrene and are a two-part assembly. I glued the two halves together with regular glue and then very carefully sanded the seam on either side with a sanding twig. The block itself required sanding as well to get a seamless look in several places and the semi-auto breech cylinder was added. I also assembled the breech and test fit it but didn't glue it into place since it will be easier to paint separately later on.

Step 8 assembles the recoil sled and tray I went ahead and attached the rear half of the gun to the sled before I added the barrel itself. This was to help insure that when I installed the barrel, I had the brake lined up properly. Most of the tray is hidden by the sled but the rear-most portion is exposed so I sanded that area to remove the join seam from the two tray halves. The undersides of the tray that are visible on the exterior of the vehicle as well as the interior fighting compartment were puttied and sanded smooth. A small amount of putty was needed at the front where the attachment point from the tray to the barrel meets up with the sled since DML designed this as a separate part vs. it being integrated with the sled on the real deal.

With all that taken care of, I assembled the slide-molded multi-part muzzle brake and sanded the join line at the top and bottom smooth with a sanding twig. The muzzle brake was installed to the aluminum barrel with CA gel and then the barrel itself installed to the rear half also with CA gel. The clamp for the travel lock was added after everything was set up with liquid glue and carefully adjusted so it lined up straight with the underside.

That led to Step 9 which added the two halves of the recoil cylinder. The join at the top of the cylinder was carefully sanded down with a sanding twig to create a seamless surface.

Step 10 assembles the equilibrator pistons and attaches them to the gun but there is a little bit of a head scratcher here since the lower arms of the pistons aren't supposed to be glued into position to allow the gun to properly elevate. The head scratcher is that the unglued lower portions don't have anything to hold on to until the side plates of the gun mount are added in the next step! I assembled the cylinders and added them but left the pistons off for the moment. The small curved portion of the splinter shield is also added to the top of the gun in this step however mine had a slight sink hole in the face that required some putty work and sanding to correct before it could be installed.

Step 11 adds the base and side plates for the gun mount. While the instructions don't indicate this, if you don't apply glue at the top points where it attaches to the swivel pins, the gun can be freely elevated instead of fixed in position. The lower portions of the equilibrator pistons were added as well now that they had a place to attach to.

Step 12 starts to add the details to the mount itself, dealing with the left side first. The front support plate for the curved splinter shield is installed along with the recoil guard for the gunner, the elevation and traverse wheels, and the gunner's seat and its mount. Many of these parts are delicate and I had to think through exactly how I wanted to install them since the photo shows many of them already in place. I opted to install the wheel mounts first, then add the wheels, then add the gunner's seat and mount to avoid running out of room to maneuver in the process.

Step 13 adds the details for the right side of the mount. The side plate for the splinter shield is added here also along with the auxiliary traverse wheel for the loader.

Step 14 is a delicate step in that it adds the supports for the curved splinter shield to the sides of the gun mount. I say delicate because the attachment points for the top and bottom supports on either side are small so until the glue sets they want to sag a bit under their own weight. I left the shield itself off for now to make it easier to get in and paint all the nooks and crannies.

Rounding out the gun construction was Step 15. This added the top crash bar to prevent the gun from being elevated too high as well as the gunner's sight. It took me a little while to figure out exactly how to assemble the 3 parts that make up the sight mount and base since the photo shows them already assembled but eventually I got it sorted out. I drilled out the top face of the sight with a drill bit and pin vise and also drilled out the eyepiece on the bottom with a #68 finger drill before adding the leather head pad.

Next up will start work on the fighting compartment!

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:12 AM

SWEET,  I really like those tracks, are the modelkasten tracks really good?

 

 

        Thanks, Jim

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:22 AM

Looks like it's starting to take shape now, Bill---make sure you get that barrel straight!

You wanna go mad, try matching up three or four different resin pieces from the Verlinden set with no locating holes or tabs to speak of, and sloppy tolerances in the fit! You're probably more sane at the outcome of this build than you might otherwiise have been going that route like I did!

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:43 AM

Bill - Very nice work on the gun.....my favorite part. Wink

Your descriptions are as usual are great. My only comment would be in the description of the "elevating pistons" which are normally called "equalibrators". The purpose is to "equalize" the pressure or torque on the elevating gear no matter what position the barrel is in. The equalibrators are normally pistons or combination of pistions and springs.

The equalibrators allow the uniform elevation and depression of the barrel and also alow it to stay in place when the elevation is set.

Just being anal....and now back to Bill's great build!!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:02 AM

Jim, thanks for the comments! In answer to your question about the MK tracks, they are my personal preferred choice for replacement tracks due to price and availability vs. Fruils for example. They do take some work to get together since the guide horns on this particular set are molded separate to create the hollow horn but otherwise I like them.

Karl, thanks for stopping in as well, hope your time in Europe is going well! Just to be sure, are you saying that the barrel doesn't look straight? If so, it must be the light reflection off the aluminum or the tilted angle of the pics due to the stand that creates that impression, In actuality the barrel itself is perfectly straight but it did take some doing to get it all lined up since the base of the aluminum barrel essentially was just a replica of the styrene parts and didn't have any sort of contact point aside from where the two parts met. Just wanted to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding the intent of your comment. Wink I hear you about trying to line up resin stuff with no locating tabs or such, that can be a maddening exercise under any conditions! Big Smile

Mike, thanks for the comments and the correction on my poor descriptive terminology. I have to keep reminding myself that they are "equilibrators"...mea culpa, it was late last night when I typed it up. Big Smile I will fix so as not to lead anyone astray with poorly defined terms on the boom-thingy! Yes

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:10 AM

Bill,

No, no, no! I was not inferring any such matter--just reminiscing on the "fun" I had with the Verlinden set which you wisely eschewed in favor of this arrangement!

The tour went well--tonight's the last show, and I'm coming home Tuesday! WAHOOOO!!! I can't WAIT to get back to the bench!!

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:21 AM

No worries Karl, I figured you were talking about the nightmare of the Verlinden set! Glad to hear you're almost done and ready to get back to the bench! Beer

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:15 AM

Bill you did real nice on the gun,clean the way I like em.Yes

Tony Lee

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:40 PM

Making good progress Bill. I love the looks of that big 88, but it would have sucked to actually be on the receiving end of that killer.

Well buddy you know what part of the build I'm waiting for.........PAINT Wink

 

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:49 PM

Thanks Tony! The gun takes up most of the parts in the kit believe it or not and has the most steps devoted to its assembly so it was definitely a major milestone to clear!

Rob, I hear you about being on the receiving end...there are field reports of them making kills out to 3km or more on the Eastern Front. The paint stage is still a little ways off due to the fact that I'm going to have to tackle this in sections due to the open top and interior but perhaps next weekend, we shall see! Smile

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:17 PM

  Bill looking good as alwaysYes.

   Man that barrel is long! Am I correct that this the same gun that would later be mounted on the King Tiger the K43/71?

 

Gotta love the MK's. The results are well worth the time.

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Posted by mm23t on Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:20 PM

Bill, excellent work up with the gun and all those little thingees that go with it. Looking forward to the rest of the build. Onward my friend!

Medals are not "Won", they are "Earned".

Mike..

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:25 PM

Steve, thanks for the comments! I had the same reaction whenever I got the gun assembled, it's huge! It is indeed the same gun as that mounted on the KT.

Mike, thanks as well, an update on today's progess soon to follow!

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:58 PM

Work continued today on the interior and the fighting compartment. The first item of business was to return to Step 4 and add the plate which covers the engine compartment and provides the base for the gun mount. This is part C2 and it's a large part that fit well except for the front where it joined the angled glacis plate. I had to use some putty and careful sanding there to fill gaps while not destroying the bolt detail in the area in the process.

Returning to the instruction order, I skipped Step 16 since this involves the installation of the tracks and I'm not quite ready to do that at this time. Steps 17 and 18 deal with the side panels of the fighting compartment and I studied the diagrams carefully in these steps and the remaining steps to determine which molded on locator marks weren't needed. The instructions don't indicate which should be removed and there are many provided that are obviously intended for the Hummel and not the Nashorn, so once I figured out which had to go, it was a matter of sanding them down along with some faint ejector marks to get them ready for further assembly.

I elected not to use the kit-provided PE option for the side air intakes due to the large amount of surgery required to use them vs. minimal detail gain IMHO but did opt to use the PE version of the MG34 ammo rack for the right side. The rack was bent to shape and installed with Gator Grip glue and will get populated later on with ammo cans and other goodies. I also installed the MG34 mount and will add the MG34 itself later as well. The instructions want you to install the triangular braces, parts C13/B22, directly to the lower hull but I opted to install them to the sides first to allow for a truer fit and also to facilitate painting.
 

For the left side, I added the large vehicle tool box as well as the smaller box for the top. This box has molded on hinge detail but the backside is hollow, so to prevent it from being visible after installation, I added a strip of sheet styrene to simulate the rest of the box and blank it off. I also added some 0.5mm solder conduit wire for the intercom box and glued this in place with liquid glue. The mount for the "rabbit ears" periscope was also installed and I assembled it carefully so that the swivel would remain workable but will add the scope itself later after painting.

This step also involves the rear plate of the fighting compartment but only deals with the exterior details. I skipped ahead to Step 19 and added the grab handles and MP40 mounts and also removed the unneeded molded on locator marks and raised ejector marks as well. In a reversal I left off all the exterior details and will add those later after the plate is installed.

Step 19 deals primarily with the installation of the left side ammo bin and has all the diagrams for the possible use of the PE options if the bins are shown open. Since I'm only tentatively planning to show the loader's side bin open, I installed the gunner's side bin using the styrene options and in the closed position. The lifting eyes were fitted in place using the locator jigs from Step 4 and I added missing conduit detail for this side as well using 0.5mm diameter solder. The long conduit above the floor had some brackets added using scrap PE 'fingers' from an Eduard fret bent to shape and glued in place.


In preparation for painting I also went ahead and installed the remaining interior details featured in Steps 23 and 24 in the form of lifting eyes, the heater air pipe for the crew, and the remote travel lock release lever and cable conduit. In order to insure that the conduit was placed correctly, I also installed the curved base plate on the splinter shield from Step 25. The heater air pipe was molded solid so I drilled out the end with a large drill bit and pin vise to give it the proper scale thickness for sheet metal before installing it.

Rather than try to jam in the effort on the loader's side ammo bin, I'm going to tackle that one when I'm fresh since it's got a lot of little bitty PE to work with. Once that's done and installed, I can start the paint and detail work for the fighting compartment.

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:36 PM

Tracks done. Gun finished. Hull almost complet. At this rate Bill could next weekends update be including some paintStick out tongue?

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:43 PM

Very likely Steve at least for the interior! Wink

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:51 PM

Get it on,Get it on.Yes

Hey Bill I sure hope you don't have the fit problems that some have had by installing that splinter or splatter shield. I installed it after I had the rest of the casement and gun installed temporarily to make sure it didn't interfere with anything and it paid off.

Until next weekend

Tony LeeSmile

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:31 PM

Bill -  as always looking good.

As I read through this it came to me.....DML or whoever should hire you to review a new kit before it comes out and ....re-write the directions......you WIPs would be much better than what the manufacturer supplies.

Now that your index pin is back in on your recuperator after that equilibrator situation, you are right on the mark...Wink

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:19 PM

Tony, thanks for the heads-up! I checked the fit and so long as I don't install the side angled plates and the gun can freely rotate, it's possible to get it in place but it is tight. I can see where it could cause problems for the unwary, thanks for watching my back. Wink

Mike, high praise indeed and I wish DML would hire someone to proof their instructions, it would sure save a lot of headaches! Believe it or not the whole reason I started writing build log threads was due to that very shortcoming...that and the fact that at the time there weren't a whole lot of people out there blogging their builds so it was kind of hit or miss as to whether or not you could find someone who'd already gone through the pain and lived to tell about it. Big Smile

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, February 1, 2010 2:12 PM

Someone has been a busy little boyWink  Just got caught up with your build and it look mighty fine.

Marc  

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, February 1, 2010 2:26 PM

redleg12

As I read through this it came to me.....DML or whoever should hire you to review a new kit before it comes out and ....re-write the directions......you WIPs would be much better than what the manufacturer supplies.

Rounds Complete!!

 Here! Here! Mike

wbill76

Mike, high praise indeed and I wish DML would hire someone to proof their instructions, it would sure save a lot of headaches! Believe it or not the whole reason I started writing build log threads was due to that very shortcoming...that and the fact that at the time there weren't a whole lot of people out there blogging their builds so it was kind of hit or miss as to whether or not you could find someone who'd already gone through the pain and lived to tell about it. Big Smile

   Your pain has been our gain Bill and I for one thank youBow DownToast!

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

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