Plane Build

and just to verify, which do i post in??? hehehe

funny i can keep this going for a long time.

joe

So I guess this rodeo has started huh. Well I figured that before I jumped into a nice expensive kit I would do a trial run on a cheaper kit and get it built so I can hang it up in my boy's room so they will quit buggin me to get it built for them. Only have really spent about an hour and a half on it so far.
Biggest thing that I have had trouble with is the decals, they are thick and a pain to get to stick. Plus there were a few that just basically disentigrated when i was trying to get them on top of the wings and at the same time messed up the paint. So looks llike a bit more painting now.
I am going to try to get paints needed for the Dauntless this Fri and get to work on it over the week end.

Oh yea, so how is the posting for this build going to work, are the armor regulars going to keep it in the armor forum and the same for the plane regulars keep it in thier forum , or is there going to be a mutual thread for everyone to post in? If I missed this before somewhere , feel free to ignore me

I "tried" foiling the canopy on a Wildcat as a mask for spraying the framwork. It left a bad residue all over the "glass". I haven't been able to get it off yet. I sprayed Metalizer Aluminum Plate on the little wingy thingy guy. I missed a lot of seam filling and rescribing (and you guys are worried about scribing zimmerit!! Ha!) I'll let you be the judge.

I tried foiling the 51 first, but gave up on that. Have to try it agian sometime. Hmmm, maybe I could foil a tank! That would be interesting! lol

now bill are you saying something about the nmf finishes? the only one crazier than a builder of indy tracks is one who foils a plane................................................wait thats me...........................................

ummmmmmmmmmmm.............................back to the regularly scheduled programing..........................please.

joe

Asuf, getting zimm to look good isn't nearly as tough as getting an NMF to look good. Take my word for it!

btw, I resanded my 1/72 p-51 wingy thingy over the weekend and reshot the aluminum over it. I don't think it came out too bad. I'll post a pic tonight (maybe) in the AF forum and see what everyone thinks of it.

Joe,
I know you think that harmless little Me109 will be tough and even harder with the PE and dopey flat resin wheel, but Holy Cow, you're taking on a lot here.
I never tried either yet, but Zimm and Indies seem to be the bain of the Armor world.
This should be a good group build.
As my friend Nitzsche says....If it doesn't kill ya, well you know....

Joe, if you really want to use Squadron Green, you might try mixing a little liquid cement with the putty. It will give it a little more work time. Needless to say, it will make it thinner, too and you don't want it to run. You will have to expirement with it to come up with any kind of a ratio as I've never done it.

Yes indeed the testors liquid cement is great it gives more flex time. I know the feeling Joe.Mine is all used up as well.I found squadron putty hard touse, I hope you have better luck.

ron and eric thanks. great suggestions.

ron the problem im running into is i have already blown my alotted money for this month and the paint order i have for next month blows it. i think i may end up using the squadron putty and doing small areas. it should work ok, just timeconsuming. wait i think i have something time consuming now that i am working on.

eric thanks for the tips. i will take your advice on the links. slow and steady.

joe

Joe, Tamiya makes these neat little zimmerit tools, about $8-9.

Sorry, I wasn't aware of the start date, just assumed it did. We should post build dates in the subject line, so people will know without inquiring all the time.

Best advice on the tracks is to take your time. I admit they scared me to death, but found them to be easy. Some people like to use a homemade jig to align them. I just make about 15-20 link sections them wrap them around the drive sprocket and head towards the idler and work my way back to the drive sprocket. Seems to work well. I prefer Testors liquid cement to allow time to set and still be flexible.

Joe;

Here's another possibility, if you want to drop another $30 on the Tiger.

Atak Model has a full resin zimm kit out for it. Check Great Models and search for atk35025. It looks pretty inclusive! I might go that route. I'm not sure yet.

Softening the plastic with liquid cement and impressing the zimm pattern into it is a very daunting task, in 1/35, IMO. Squadron green putty can be used to do zimm, it just dries fast so you have to do small areas. Tamiya Polyester Putty gives you a little more work time. Other possibilities areMilliput (there's a thread pointing to an article on doing it floating around here somewhere), Apoxie Sculpt (Aves), and Zimm it Rite (RJ Products). Aves usually has an advert in FSM, if you want to look them up.

One thing about this kit that's kind of weird, there's a big insert that goes on the left side of the turret, right under the commanders cupola. It has a pistol port molded on it, I believe, so is probably so they can do other versions without it. (It would have been better to just mold the port as a separate part, I think.) Anyway, it probably won't be a big deal since that area will/should be zimmed over anyway.

I got out just about every plane in my stash I could lay my hands on yesterday. I went over all the instructions. I have so many low end kits with no cockpit detail (or even no cockpit at all), I can't believe it. I guess I'll do on of the Accurate Miniatures or Hasagewa kits I have. At least they have decent to great detail! But still, I'm not doing an NMF!

ron thanks for the suggestion. i dont have the tamiya putty only squadron green. i remember reading that a light coat of plastic glue can be used to soften the plastic enough to work the plastic.

gotta find that issue of fsm.

joe

Tamiya putty works great. there is also a zim kit from cavalie rthat is thin sheets of resin.Some dont like it I found it to work farely well. Here is a pic.

ok. i opened it. took me about thirty minutes to get my breathing to calm down. man there is a lot of parts for this bad boy. wow. now i have to figure out a decent way to do zimmerite. and a relatively painless way.

joe

Go ahead, open it up...you'll be glad you did!! Until you see the indy links, that is!! lol

thanks dwight. the kit is very intimidating. havent opened the wrap yet.

joe

Good luck on that kit, Joe. Great kit, I heard. Don't worry those indies just look intimidating but once you get two or three together...it will be a walk in the park.

QUOTE: Originally posted by monrad QUOTE: Originally posted by ausf QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw (I still don't know when we're shooting for!). We're shooting for planes, when? I don't know... Did we hit any yet. Awasoda is away this week, so I guess we have to wait for a starting date. July / August is the last I heard

About half of my stack of wingy thingies fell over while I was a home for lunch. Does that count as a hit?? LOL

QUOTE: Originally posted by ausf QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw [br (I still don't know when we're shooting for!). We're shooting for planes, when? I don't know...

Did we hit any yet.

Awasoda is away this week, so I guess we have to wait for a starting date. July / August is the last I heard

QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw [br (I still don't know when we're shooting for!).

We're shooting for planes, when? I don't know...

I've got that one too, Joe. It's a cool kit. You're biggest challenge will probably be the zimmerit, as I understand all the Porsche Kings had zimm on them.

I'm looking forward to hearing about your build once this thing gets started (I still don't know when we're shooting for!).

tis the porsche turrent.

joe

okay, Joe, that's half the battle!!

Which King is it? The Henchel (production) or the Porsche Turret?

QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw Joe, my mind is weak. Which King are you doing? One of the Tamiya's or one of the Dragon's??

it is dml/dragon. and the beast is huge. it is the third largest kit box i have seen, or should i say have had in my hands.

ummmmmmmmm thanks, i think, tigerman. i...................... ummmmmm.................dont know where to start. i guess i had better look at the instructions.

joe

QUOTE: Originally posted by fightnjoe well, i am not sure what i have gotten myself into now. the king tiger arrived today. wow, the beast is huge. my jaw dropped when it when i took it out of the shipping box. wow. i am just overwhelmed by the size. and heavy too. but, as i swallow loudly, onward. when do we start again???? joe

Hehehe. Well good luck Joe. Have fun with them indies. I think it has started already.

Joe, my mind is weak. Which King are you doing? One of the Tamiya's or one of the Dragon's??

well, i am not sure what i have gotten myself into now. the king tiger arrived today. wow, the beast is huge. my jaw dropped when it when i took it out of the shipping box. wow. i am just overwhelmed by the size. and heavy too. but, as i swallow loudly, onward. when do we start again????

joe

Sorry, Adian, I looked but couldn't find anything about this model. The e-bay pics make it look like a nice model, though. Good luck with it.

Thundergod:

Well, I'll stick with masking tape. Been using it when I was into 1/72 A/C. At least if I fail I can always blame it on the masking tape. He-he-he.

If you con still get it testers makes a produce called para-film. awesome for canopies. I got mine years ago when I was into planes.