The Starfleet Museum group build

Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:00 PM

Here are keyline drawings of the front side views. The top mound is 1.77 times taller than the bottom mound, but their edges seem to match up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Masao/destroyerlines2.jpg

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Woody

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From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:22 PM

Masao, Does the convex shape on top of the saucer mirror the convex shape on the bottom? They look like they should be the same to my eye.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:51 PM

I don't have ventral schematics, but here are some of the relevant parts of renders by Jan Wehlack.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Masao/Wehlack1.jpg (112 kb)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Masao/Wehlack2.jpg (104 kb)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Masao/Wehlack3.jpg (68 kb)

Hey, Andrew! I remember that project. You were working on a few of my ships, if I remember correctly.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:52 AM

I found the remains of my Torsk relatively intact, and actually did a litle work on it. Pictures can be seen at:
http://tinyurl.com/4h78y
Also seen are the parts to make a chunky saucer, secondary hull, and big turret for the something-kinda-like -Paris-class project.
More news as it happens,
Andrew

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Woody

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From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:58 AM

Masao, You wouldn't happen to have a ventral view of the Avenger like the PV image above?

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:49 AM

I don't know, Woody. Since becoming a computer schematic draftsman, I've gotten used to have my hands clean and my fingers unbandaged. I'm a wuss, I know.

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Woody

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From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:09 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Masao

I haven't built anything for years (I just draw now) but I'm thinking about trying something small and simple, maybe a Moskva or Comet. If I do, I'll probably be needing a lot of advice from you guys.

Jump in Masao! Approve [^]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 24, 2005 7:41 PM

I was rooting around my hard disc and found this small picture of the ventral surface of PV. I remember drawing it at the requesti of the modeler who did the render I showed.

I sometimes say that my schematics aren't complete so that modelers may have the chance to be creative. However, that's just an excuse. The truth is that my meager drafting skills don't allow me to accurately draw complex interactions between curved surfaces!

Remember that the 3-D model is just one person's interpretation of my incomplete and inaccurate drawing. Your's may differ.

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maxx1969

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May 2004
From: Oregon

Posted by maxx1969 on Monday, January 24, 2005 1:34 AM

First thing a great big THANK YOU Big Smile [:D]

to Masao and Woody for their help on the bottom detail. I pryed off the old bottom detail (note to self: Less super glue!) and after clean up made the new dome on the bottom as well as the "TWO" smaller domes. This is about as close as I can get to the 3D model from the pic. I do plan on widening the back of the sensor section as it does appear to be more pronounced than mine.

Thanks again for the help and feedback,
Matt

~Matt T Meyer

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 24, 2005 12:39 AM

maxx1969, your Pyotr Velikiy class looks "ochen' chorosho." I'm impressed. As for my entry in the Starfleet Museum Group Build - the Daedalus Class - I have scrapped all of my first attempt save the nacelle, as the patterns were not up to scratch. I began a new secondary hull this evening and hope to post some pics later today (Monday). Must get to bed now. Ciao!

Lauren Oliver

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 24, 2005 12:00 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by SNOOPY

I am in but still having trouble picking an easy one for a first time scratchbuilder with no special machines.

Snoopy:
The Bison class and all of it's variants are pretty darn simple- hemispheres, tubes, and spheres, mainly. Just look around your parts box, the dollar store, and the toy section of the thrift store and see what looks like a likely part. Spend some time playing with the shapes you have and something will start to make sense. Follow the link to my Torsk parts and page back a few images and you'll see what I started with. Hope this helps,
Andrew

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maxx1969

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May 2004
From: Oregon

Posted by maxx1969 on Sunday, January 23, 2005 7:51 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Masao

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. This pic is pretty close to what I intended the bottom of the disk to look like: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Masao/PV_wip_011.jpg

WOW...Bummer...I'll have to re-work the bottom. Some how I missed the 3D image of the bottom and went with the conversation we had last year about the PV so I tried to interpret from the 4 view schematics and went with a reversal of the top side on the bottom. I'll switch to the full dome and two small bumps. Thanks so much for you help and patients.

Thanks guys for the feedback and looking forward to seeing what you bring to the build Steven.

Matt

~Matt T Meyer

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:43 PM

I haven't built anything for years (I just draw now) but I'm thinking about trying something small and simple, maybe a Moskva or Comet. If I do, I'll probably be needing a lot of advice from you guys.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:33 PM

Nice work Matt. I may join this later, I like the Kestrel.

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Woody

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From: Third rock from the sun.

Posted by Woody on Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:14 PM

Great work Matt. Looks like two seperate bumps to me.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:55 AM

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. This pic is pretty close to what I intended the bottom of the disk to look like: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Masao/PV_wip_011.jpg

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maxx1969

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May 2004
From: Oregon

Posted by maxx1969 on Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:39 AM

Hi Andrew and welcome to the build. Looks like you have a great start to your project looking forward to see this.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Masao

Maxx: The progress on the PV looks great!

Note to all: If you have any questions or need any supplementary schematics or enlarged graphics (ship markings, insignias for model bases), please contact me.

Thankyou again for the feedback and help. I do have another question for you on the PV Masao. It has to do with the two bumps on the bottom. I marked it in the pics is this an optical illusion from the front of the saucer or separate protrusion detail on the flat section toward the rear?:

Many thanks,
Matt

~Matt T Meyer

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:54 PM

Yes.
Andrew

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:28 PM

Hey Andrew! Are you in? Cool [8D]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:14 PM

This looks like the kick in the pants I need to finish up a Torsk -class ship I started a long time back. There is a picture of most of the parts at the Modelers and Hobby Forum-
http://groups.msn.com/ModelersAndHobbyForum/starfleetmuseumship.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=537
I'll have to do some digging to find it, but it's just about ready for final assembly and finishing If I can remember that far back. And worse, today running around town and digging through dumspters I found an emergency light lens and a plastic cover for a combination lock file cabinet that make a dandy saucer- I'm picturing a cross between a Paris class and a Piotr Veliky...
Andrew

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:36 AM

Looks like we are getting an interesting mix of ships. Cool [8D]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:01 PM

Hey, Snoopy! A lot of the Romulan War-era ships are based on spheres and cylinders, so they were fairly easy to draw and I'd think they'd be fairly easy to scratchbuild. Wasp (an early postwar Starfleet ship) also has a sphere for a primary hull (this was my first design), so also shouldn't be too hard. The Asia class was actually designed by Bernd Schneider, so is not quite built in the style.

Maxx: The progress on the PV looks great!

Note to all: If you have any questions or need any supplementary schematics or enlarged graphics (ship markings, insignias for model bases), please contact me.

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:44 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by SNOOPY

I am in but still having trouble picking an easy one for a first time scratchbuilder with no special machines. Everything I see has nice rounded edges. It looks like there are about 7 types that seem like their beginner type builds. They are as follows: Asia Class, Moska Class, Al Burak Class, Space Staions of either G or J, San Fransisco Class, UFP Daedalus Class, or the Wasp Class. Does anyone have any suggestions on which of these would be easily built.

I would say the Daedalus and Al Burak classes are very doable. The Asia class is kind of deceptive. It looks so familiar in form that one might be fooled into thinking that it could be easily converted from the good ole Connie. The Romulan era UFP ships also have some great starter potential.
Snoopy remember to break your project up into it's base componets and treat each of these as a model unto itself. See Matt's wonderful example above.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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maxx1969

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Posted by maxx1969 on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:15 PM

Hey Snoopy. Not saying you have to build this one but heres a plan view for one that might help set up a project. Also some parts ideas that can help, Easter eggs are some what out of the stores now but check the second hand stores as they usally have bags full of them. Don't forget about the hardware stores for tubing, pvc pipe and tons of pre-shaped plastic parts for plubing ect.

Matt

~Matt T Meyer

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maxx1969

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From: Oregon

Posted by maxx1969 on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:55 PM

Quick update. Here is the saucer section of the Pyotr Velikiy:

This shot shows the back edge a little better:

Here is the build up of the top side:

I decided to go with a skin over frame for the short secondary and this is the frame:

Here are the parts on top of the drawings. The nacelles are from Polar Lights TOS Enterprise kit:

Well back to work Big Smile [:D]

Matt

~Matt T Meyer

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SNOOPY

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Posted by SNOOPY on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:49 PM

I am in but still having trouble picking an easy one for a first time scratchbuilder with no special machines. Everything I see has nice rounded edges. It looks like there are about 7 types that seem like their beginner type builds. They are as follows: Asia Class, Moska Class, Al Burak Class, Space Staions of either G or J, San Fransisco Class, UFP Daedalus Class, or the Wasp Class. Does anyone have any suggestions on which of these would be easily built. I figure trips to some arts and craft stores, hardware store, and sporting goods stores (for ping pong balls) might be appropriate. It is tough deciding which to do. I am eager to learn how to scratchbuild and what techniques are involved.

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maxx1969

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Posted by maxx1969 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:51 PM

Perfect! Thanks for the quick reply. I liked the production look as well so I'll go that route.
I have the layout for it done and started the saucer section today. This is going to be a fun one with all the diferent shapes to the top and bottom sides of the saucer. Big Smile [:D]

Tonight I'll start working on the upper layers of the saucer. I think the best way to go about the bottom is to first build up the secondary hull so it can blend in a little better. Thanks again Masao.

Matt

~Matt T Meyer

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:59 PM

I think that like Constitution, Pyotr Velikiy was updated as new technology was introduced. When launched it probably had the 1st-pilot–style nacelles and bridge, then got the production-style bridge and nacelles sometime around 2264 (i.e., first season of Star Trek). I personally like the sleeker production style, but both configurations existed at different times.

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maxx1969

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Posted by maxx1969 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:27 PM

LOL! Hi there Masao. Love the GB badge thanks.
The question I had about the PV is the bridge and nacelles. Given time line it looked like in a couple of drawings to have the taller bridge and nacelles like the pilot version of the Enterprise but all of the CG images have the later version. Not that its a big deal but with both sets of parts available in the Polar Lights TOS Enterprise kit and the PV will be in the same scale(kit parts will make life easier) I thought I would ask and see before the glue comes out. Big Smile [:D]

Matt

~Matt T Meyer

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:03 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by maxx1969

Cool is he going to stop by the forum? I hope so I had a question about the PV I was hoping he could answer.

Matt

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I'm here! How can I help?

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