Castles of Steel, 1880 - 1914 *Group Build* (pg 17)...

bondoman

Well, you know he and Doenitz were seen examining the Campbeltown. That's supposedly him on the bridge.

Curiously, they left for lunch at about 11.55 am.

Coming soon:

It will be nice to see the Ching Yuen kit when it is finally released.

Sprue-ce Goose

We may soon be calling him Vice Admiral.......

Singing turalai, urali, urali.. turalai, urali, urali ay!

bondoman

 

 

 

There's been some discussion here relating to various "Yuen" ships., where language translation becomes difficult. There are four models available AFAIK, the Chih 致遠, the Ching 靖遠 ,the Ting  定远 and the Chen 鎮遠. These were all counties in China.

The first two were single stack cruisers built by Armstrong Whitworth at the Elswick yard and are the same as Manstein's kit.

The latter two were twin stack cruisers built by Stettiner Vulcan in Stettin Germany and are also sold by Bronco.

The USS New Orleans belongs to the latter two. If anyone makes the effort to do a little research, there are at least two dozen ships that are derivatives of these hulls.

I've been really interested in the Spanish Navy because my great grandfather served in the US Army in the Philippines from 1905 to 1908. West Point 1903 with MacArthur. I think that there's potential in these Bronco kits for a few ships.

 

Are you referring to the USS New Orleans that was CL 22? I would love to do a conversion since I really like that old turn of the century look, but the quick poking around I've done looking at pictures for comparison; I don't see any similarities between the Ting Yuen and the New Orleans. One was built in Germany the other in Britain. If you could elaborate on this some more I would appreciate it, since I may not be looking in the right places.

Tracy White

 

Sprue-ce Goose:

We may soon be calling him Vice Admiral.......

 

Singing turalai, urali, urali.. turalai, urali, urali ay!

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Just an old sea shanty that comes to mind when someone says "Admiral."

Ah....

for some reason when I typed Admiral,  I was thinking more in terms of Gilbert and Sullivan....

Or an old vacuum tube television set...

I heartily recommend Oscar Brand's Sea Shanties album, and the sample of "Turalai" they've posted online has the exact refrain I was thinking of. Happens when someone says "Captain" too....

bondoman

Or an old vacuum tube television set...

LOL.....

Tracy White

I heartily recommend Oscar Brand's Sea Shanties album, and the sample of "Turalai" they've posted online has the exact refrain I was thinking of. Happens when someone says "Captain" too....

Thanks for the link.

I found the lyrics but didn't search for an MP3 online.

monsterravinglooney

Are you referring to the USS New Orleans that was CL 22? I would love to do a conversion since I really like that old turn of the century look, but the quick poking around I've done looking at pictures for comparison; I don't see any similarities between the Ting Yuen and the New Orleans. One was built in Germany the other in Britain. If you could elaborate on this some more I would appreciate it, since I may not be looking in the right places.

The best I can try to CMA is that New Orleans was built in the same yard as Chih Yuen and Chin Yuen, and that I see the answer to Mansteins question as-

any one who gets interested in turn of the 20th century warships has a good chance of learning a lot about the world at that time, since they were pretty emblematic of power and technology.

But you are right, I compared twin funnel cruisers, while I meant British cruisers.

The Russian cruiser Varyag that Tracy mentioned was built by Cramp and Sons in Philadelphia.

The IJN Mikasa was built by Vickers at Barrow-in-Furness.

All of which is to say that there's a great deal of fruit to be picked studying all of the ships built by the few countries capable of doing so, where they went, where they ended up; from that period. Cruisers were a good design in terms of commerce raiding, denial and counter denial of sea power.

And Captain McGiffin, former USN commanded a ship at the Battle of the Yalu River.

It's hard not to like this stuff, at least for me.

The Spanish Cruiser Infanta Maria Teresa 1895.

interesting... this is turning out to be ,, yes..

While I really haven't built any ships since a couple of carriers and a USS New Jersey while in high school, I actually find this one.... interesting. I like the look of older (WW1 & earlier in my mind) steel warships. They just have a nice aesthetic about them.

p38jl

interesting... this is turning out to be ,, yes..

Hate to say I told you so, but uhh, you know!

i believe TING YUEN and CHEN YUEN are referred to as barbette battleships and not cruisers. the main guns were in open barbettes in 1894. the cover art shows them enclosed as in 1886 but the covering, while looking like a turret, is really notn what we usually think of as a turret. i suspect it was little more than a weather shield instead of being armored. will look into this more when i get home. in 1894 they were the most powerful ships in asia.

and there was the distinction between armored cruisr and protected cruiser. everything was in a state of transition which makes for interesting ships. i will discuus this in more detail when i get home unless someone beats me to it.

now i have 2 CHIH YUENs though i suspect CHING YUEN is identical so i may not need to buy her but probably will anyway.

and reseaerching is always interesting since the ship's name can be spelled 2 or 3 different ways depending on which transliteration system is being used.

Just ordered mine from Free Time Hobbies for $43...Great Models has a few for $50...

According to "The Chinese Steam Navy", those shields were 1 inch thick. Here's a diagram of the ship from the book, hope it helps everyone out with the rigging.

i have that book at the house but i am at work. interesting that the model doesn't have 3 yards on the foremast. i have seen photos with and without rat lines since there are steps on the aft part of the masts. doubt if i will do every line since it is 1/350.  won't do yard foot ropes unless i get really crazy and lay out a pe fret with ratlines , footropes, etc like GMM's EMDEN pe set has.

ka-models (?) out of korea makes laser cut wood decks but you have to cut al the deck furniture from the plastic deck. not sure if that is time effective.

also have some 1/350 anchor chain

guess i better get going on finishing a bunch of kits so i can start on new ones. will build them simultaneously. i find that to be a lot of fun and time efficient.

Looks like there is a very generous amount of PE in the kit...

bondoman

...It's the earliest dated plastic model of a pre dreadnaught that I'm aware of, accurate too. Along with Hase's Mikasa and the Zvezda Borodinos, a gem.

Do you mean the date of the subject, or of the kit's release?  If we're talking kit release, Revell's old Olympia and William Bros' Oregon both pre-date any of these, don't they?  And if talking date of the subject, I think those two might also pre-date these, too, though that's off the top of my head, and I'm also thinking that they were all contemporaries, that is, on active duty at the same time.

It is certainly a neat kit, and an interesting subject, to me.  De gustibus non disputandem, eh?

Best regards,

Brad

The Chinese ships pre-date the others by a few years. They were sunk before the Oregon, Olympia, etc. were commissioned.

I meant the date of the ship. Wiki FWIW calls them protected cruisers (talking about the Chih and the Chin one stackers). The Wiki articles list Wright's book The Chinese Steam Navy 1862-1945 as a reference, so it's probably correct. but I'm interested in what you come up with.

page 73. CHIH YUEN and CHING YUEN were protected cruisers and KING YUEN and LAI YUEN (no kits yet, maybe?) were armored cruisers. armored cruisers had a side amrno belt while protected cruisers had an armored deck over the vitals. protected cruisers were lighter and faster.

Thanks, Navigator and Bondo, for clearing that up!  Filling in some holes in my knowledge of naval history

You're welcome!

So where does the Maine fit in with this type, pre or post?

Commissioned in 1889

Mine arrived today and OH BOY is this MOJO a real gem...only thing that sorta took me off guard was the size of it: about 9-10 inces in hull length...for some reason I thought it was larger than 350th...anyway, really nice instruction booklet that is very thick and precise and large etched fret...mouldings are very crisp and sharp...cool flags...Free Time Hobbies seems to have the cheapest price and plenty in stock...

As a wise man once said:

"Get building and post pics!"