Revell Northsea Fishing Trawler WIP

Hi Bill!

     You are so right! Even in the Deepwater Tuna Fleets each Fleet had it's ground, Don't trespass or you might get rammed or worse. Uncle Joe stayed out of that stuff.

 Like he said."Theysa stupido, Cotcha da fich, notta the punch onna de jaw!"

The tongers have their own grounds where dredgers cant go.

Any fishing ground, and I've been on a few; can get very contentious and sometimes a little violent.

Bill

Bakster

Also, you mentioned the net is drug along the bottom. Is that literally pulled along the seafloor? You'd think it'd snag on something. 

Largely, you frag for bivalves--oysters, scallops, and the like.

The net has a toothed frame designed to "chatter" on the bottom.  And, it's a small affair, perhaps a meter wide.

The draggers also "know their bottom," they don't drag where they get snags or the like.  (This is also a benefit of being under sail--no ripping the winches out or the like.)

Shrimp trawlers have their nets just above the bottom.  In days of old, there was a "necklace" with dangling chains ahead o the net, to "spook" the shrimp up off the bottom.  This is not allowed in modern fisheries.

The skipjacks Bill notes use a pushboat to get to the fishing ground, but are olny allowed to "dredge" under sail-this is to protect the oyster beds. The pushboats don't have rudders, as they are lashed to the sides/sterns o the skipjacks.

A limited number of powerboats are allowed out on the oysterbeds, but, they are restricted to "tong-ing" for their catch.  The tongs are set up like a pair of 1m wide rakes with 3m hafts, pivoted like scissors.  You want to be a stout fellow to work the tongs and raise enough fresh oysters to make a living of it.

The North Sea trawlers, like the Tigers, made their living in the mid-depths, going after specific speies of fish--like herring or hake or the like.

Well... the model threw me another curve ball. All the while I was making rungs I was thinking-- something is not right. I stopped to check the pitch several times and it checked out. The number of rungs between the rail anchors look good-- keep going Steve.

About halfway down the mast I thought --dang it-- something is off! There are far too many rungs!

I found a 1:1 image. Looking at it closely I counted roughly a total of seven anchors.

Look at the mast from the model. They have double that! 

That was the problem. I used those anchors as a gauge to pitch the rungs. I was building twice the number I should be. Who designed this model, Mickey Mouse? Lol.

Three hours into it I start ripping it apart. At this point, I had to repair some glue damage, then start over.

Below: I removed the extra anchors. I still don't think it is entirely right because the spacing changes towards the bottom of the mast. I was not about to fix that too; close enough.

I used .020 round stock for the side rails and .010 flat stock mounted on end for the rungs.

What do you know... the mast is done.

I will probably work on the fiber optic next.

End of update.

Capn or other. 

So... being a dragger, edumecate me. What sort of aquatic are they fishing for? Also, you mentioned the net is drug along the bottom. Is that literally pulled along the seafloor? You'd think it'd snag on something. 

GMorrison

Or, the remaining skipjacks used for oyster dredging use a little push boat two days a week IIRC.

 

Bill

 

Ah... interesting. 

Or, the remaining skipjacks used for oyster dredging use a little push boat two days a week IIRC.

Bill

Speaking of Friendo...

This guy made the movie worth watching.

CapnMac82

 

 

Bakster

Not much to see here but it's an update. 

Notice the mount from the mast to the spar. 

 

 

 

Excellent view of the mast head lights, too.

Note that the "spar" is nothing but a spreader bar for the long-base radio antenna.

The halyard and sail head show that this vessel is a "dragger."  Fishing regulations vary nation-by-nation, and the conservation rules especially so.  So, some bottom fishing, where a trawl is drug across the bottom, is only permitted if not under power.  So, even modern vessels might be fitted with sails, so as to drift down wind.

 

Bakster

Not much to see here but it's an update. 

Notice the mount from the mast to the spar. 

Excellent view of the mast head lights, too.

Note that the "spar" is nothing but a spreader bar for the long-base radio antenna.

The halyard and sail head show that this vessel is a "dragger."  Fishing regulations vary nation-by-nation, and the conservation rules especially so.  So, some bottom fishing, where a trawl is drug across the bottom, is only permitted if not under power.  So, even modern vessels might be fitted with sails, so as to drift down wind.

Hey Greg, thanks Friend-o.

Nautical verbiage has been a topic of discussion.  For us landlubbers, long skinny thing must do.

I like your what if idea about the Great lakes touring boat. 

Nice work on the mass* standoff and the long skinny thing that holds those lines. As should be intuitively obvious, I am also not a boat expert. 

Edit:

*Mast. Some one-liners about a mass standoff come to mind, though.

Not much to see here but it's an update. 

Notice the mount from the mast to the spar. 

I tried to duplicate it.

And mounted.

Next to work on are the ladder rungs.

Straycat1911

 

 

Bakster

 

Don’t look to this build as being an expert boat builder showing his skils. I am not an accomplished boat builder and I know even less about boats. You can consider me a green horn or a landlubber. With that said, I love boats, and we must all start somewhere. This build is ripe for many mundane questions which many of you are in the know.

 

The release of this kit goes back many years and many of you may have built this at one time or another. So, feel free to offer up tips, thoughts, history, whatever. Consider it an open thread to educate me, but not only me, many others that might be in the same “boat." It will be a great opportunity for teaching and learning.

 

Looking at the kit I see some things I don’t like, but—for $15 and change and several months fun—I will do what I can to overcome them. And just maybe—with your help—turn out a decent build and in the process learn a heap more about boats.

 

Leaving my options open I may add a seascape to the equation. I am pushing the envelope of my skills with a seascape; anything can happen. Could be a sinking-- or a victory.

 

Lasty--I think this thread has the “potential” for one heck of a seafaring ride.

 

More to come.

 

 

 

 

I've got this one started; I'm doing it as a "what if" Great Lakes tour boat. 

 

Sounds cool!

Bakster

 

Don’t look to this build as being an expert boat builder showing his skils. I am not an accomplished boat builder and I know even less about boats. You can consider me a green horn or a landlubber. With that said, I love boats, and we must all start somewhere. This build is ripe for many mundane questions which many of you are in the know.

 

The release of this kit goes back many years and many of you may have built this at one time or another. So, feel free to offer up tips, thoughts, history, whatever. Consider it an open thread to educate me, but not only me, many others that might be in the same “boat." It will be a great opportunity for teaching and learning.

 

Looking at the kit I see some things I don’t like, but—for $15 and change and several months fun—I will do what I can to overcome them. And just maybe—with your help—turn out a decent build and in the process learn a heap more about boats.

 

Leaving my options open I may add a seascape to the equation. I am pushing the envelope of my skills with a seascape; anything can happen. Could be a sinking-- or a victory.

 

Lasty--I think this thread has the “potential” for one heck of a seafaring ride.

 

More to come.

 

I've got this one started; I'm doing it as a "what if" Great Lakes tour boat. 

Dodgy

(Pussers. Australian and British term for the RN and the RAN. Derives from the family name of a ship's Chandler's who supplied the RN in Nelson's day. Same principle as GI. Government Issue, Pussers Issue).

Which has always been a bit of epynomous back-and-forth in maritime history.

In English, the senior member of the Service staff serving passengers has the title "Purser."

This is true for modern ships, and even airliners, where the flight attendants will have a supervisor titled Purser.  In many ocean liners, the Purser wears four stripes, and is considered as senior as the ship's Captain.  If not being in the command structure of operating the ship.

The person ranking just below the Purser is the Steward.

Etymology tells us "purser" comes from "the person carrying the Ship's Purse."  In Naval lingo, that would be a Disbursing Officer.

With a nudge from the anglo-french burser, which gives us Bursar in English.  (The latter is the formal title for a Treasurer at academic institutions.)

So then we have Mr Pusser, who sold rhum by the cask to the Royal Navy, dating back to the 1650s.  The casks had the Pusser's name branded into their heads.  And were acquired by the Ship's Purser.  Wh might be a Bursar in some navies.  For illiterate or semi-literate, sailors speaking Nautial English as a 3rd or 4th tongue, conflating Pusser with Purser is/was virtually inevitable.

Tanker-Builder

Hello Bakster!

 Hey like Dodgy said, if Bako makes you uncomfortable I won't do it anymore. I just lost another close friend. That's three in five months. Jeez, Getting old is the pits. But, Then I see a model I wanna put through the wringer and all is right again!

 

Sorry for your losses too, TB.

Tanker-Builder

Hey You(Bako)!!

     Don't worry about terminology. I have never seen terminology build a model! I only use things like that when i am talking to a Ship or Plane guy or gal when we are deep in the subject. That's like baing on a sub! They call em Boats! I call them U-Boots so who cares? We are talking about subs in this context right?  See!You will get the hang of it!

 

Yeah that is true. So many variants depending.

THANKS TB.

steve5

just heard about your sister mate so sorry , I lost one of mine last year , 2022 hasn't been a good year either , 4 funerals in the last 5 months , 

 

Hi Steve, thanks. In my case she suffered with a debilitating illness for over 30 years. The tradgedy was in her suffering. I have faith her soul lives on and in a much better place.

Sorry about your losses as well!

You mentioned 4 funerals in 5 month. I feel your pain, Mate. I can relate. In the last two years:

I lost 3 aunts, 1 uncle, my sister, my Mom, a pet, and that is just the beginning. My Dad had a stroke early 2020. He is physically fairly strong but his mind is splintered, and his every waking moment spent trying to make sence of an altered reality. Then there is my best friend who is holed up a nursing home for rehab. Every time she gets close to being released, another wave of Covid hits the nursing home causing staff shortages, and setting her release back weeks to months. She has been in there near a year. Sadly, I see her health failing and I am bracing for the worst. The situation wearing her down.

Three weeks ago a coworker died suddenly. His health was not good but noone expected him to suddenly die. Another friend of mine recently lost his wife to a long battle with cancer and just 2 weeks ago one of his best friends died in a biking accident. About a year ago a coworker lost both her parents to covid and all within a weeks time. And with another coworker the man  jumped from a bridge to his death. Suicide. With one of my aunts, the day after she passed, her daughter-in-law died suddenly. Not expected.

Add all the supply chain shortages at work, all the Covid issues, and everything else going on in the world, it's like the dogs of hell were released.

I am sure many of us have similar stories. Not looking for sympathy, just sharing.

Hey Dodgy, thanks. And absolutely no worries about using Bako. I mentioned my sister only because I throught it was cool. So keep using it if you like.

Thanks, Mate!

Hey You(Bako)!!

     Don't worry about terminology. I have never seen terminology build a model! I only use things like that when i am talking to a Ship or Plane guy or gal when we are deep in the subject. That's like baing on a sub! They call em Boats! I call them U-Boots so who cares? We are talking about subs in this context right?  See!You will get the hang of it!

Hello Bakster!

 Hey like Dodgy said, if Bako makes you uncomfortable I won't do it anymore. I just lost another close friend. That's three in five months. Jeez, Getting old is the pits. But, Then I see a model I wanna put through the wringer and all is right again!

just heard about your sister mate so sorry , I lost one of mine last year , 2022 hasn't been a good year either , 4 funerals in the last 5 months , 

I'm sorry to hear about your sister old mate. I fear mine may pass soon as she is elderly and not well. Do you mind me calling you Bako? If you're not comfortable with it, just say so.

Dodgy

Tanker-Builder

Bako!

        Not being a Mariner Mistakes in identifying something is normal. Don't sweat the Small S&^*! Build away, cause she's coming along nicely. After you finish that I would like to recommend a nice easy build that you can do lighting on, or not. It's WALTHER'S 1/87 Scale Waterline Railroad Tug Model. It's a nice size, Well Molded and you can do a Tall or short Wheelhouse. Your choice!

        I like them because they are easy to populate with "Wee Folks" and Bring to life, Lighting too! I heve done Both versions and detailing the wheelhouse is fun,As a matter of fact, that was an intended(unofficial) trademark of my Miniatures Company. Any ship or boat model always had a fully detailed Wheelhouse!

 

Thanks, TB. I will work to get out of the weeds. 

I am noting the RR tug model. 

I have said it before... would love to see your work. 

Lastly, not much for updates this week. It was one of them work weeks. I did do more filler work but it was nothing worth updating. With Thanksgiving holiday on the horizon, I hope to make more progress on the mast. I will make the spar and hopefully get to the ladders. It would be great if I could check the mast off as complete.

Dodgy

Don't understand all the electronic stuff, but it looks fantastic. Another great build Bako! I had big problems with the scuppers, yes I'm calling them scuppers because that's what we called them in pussers, and that's what the trawler crews call them. (Pussers. Australian and British term for the RN and the RAN. Derives from the family name of a ship's Chandler's who supplied the RN in Nelson's day. Same principle as GI. Government Issue, Pussers Issue).

Dodgy

 

Hey Dodgy, Bako here. I think from heaven my sis smiles at that because she called me Bako too.

Yeah the electronics stuff is not for everyone. It's kind of a pain to be honest. With luck, my adding lights will take the dio to another level of perceived realism. 

Thanks about the scuppers. It seems I may be sweating the details.

Hey Capn, that all makes sence. Your point is well taken and this whole scupper conversation highlights the issue well. I appreciate the leeway you guys are giving me. Just know that I WILL make mistakes in terms of verbiage and of course assembly too. Heck, even on things I know a little about I use wrong words. The brain is thinking one thing when my typing does another.

Thanks again for all that. It was nicely articulated.

Steve AKA BAKO.

Bakster

If you guys ever see me referring to something in error, please correct me.

It's, to my thinking, less about precision in terminology, than in knowing a particular function.

A person could refer to "pointy bits" on, say, an airplane, and that's not likely to help communications.

Calling a Deck a Floor, for instance, is only a problem if parts of ship's frame are being also discussed.  Left & Right and Port & Starboard are not a major issue; neither Front & Back versus Fore & Aft.

And, like all precision lingos, ther terms often seem obtuse and contradictory. 
All the long straight bits are "spars."
Some are vertical, and are Masts. 
Some are horizontal and are "yards."
Unless fastened at one end, an then become Booms (if near deck level) or Gaffs.
Some bits fastened to the deck are Staffs.

This is confusing unless the function of the thing is known.

A Hatch generally seals an opening to prevent ingress of water.  But, a Skylight, which can resemble (and function like) a hactch, is actually for ventilation and light.

Recognizing the the thingamabob is essential in depicting said gizmowicket.

So, let us consider the skin of an aircraft being modeled.  An aircraft with a wooden plywood skin wil not "show" rivets.  Neither will doped fabric surfaces.

At arm's reach, the materials are inredibly similar, and flush and smooth.  At model viewing distance, they need some difference in modeling, which can exaggerate the differences.  Which is needed to model them successfully.  But, it's the function, that typically defines.

At least for my 2¢

Bako!

        Not being a Mariner Mistakes in identifying something is normal. Don't sweat the Small S&^*! Build away, cause she's coming along nicely. After you finish that I would like to recommend a nice easy build that you can do lighting on, or not. It's WALTHER'S 1/87 Scale Waterline Railroad Tug Model. It's a nice size, Well Molded and you can do a Tall or short Wheelhouse. Your choice!

        I like them because they are easy to populate with "Wee Folks" and Bring to life, Lighting too! I heve done Both versions and detailing the wheelhouse is fun,As a matter of fact, that was an intended(unofficial) trademark of my Miniatures Company. Any ship or boat model always had a fully detailed Wheelhouse!

Don't understand all the electronic stuff, but it looks fantastic. Another great build Bako! I had big problems with the scuppers, yes I'm calling them scuppers because that's what we called them in pussers, and that's what the trawler crews call them. (Pussers. Australian and British term for the RN and the RAN. Derives from the family name of a ship's Chandler's who supplied the RN in Nelson's day. Same principle as GI. Government Issue, Pussers Issue).

Dodgy