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  • Member since
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Revell Northsea Fishing Trawler WIP
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 12:12 PM
 

Don’t look to this build as being an expert boat builder showing his skils. I am not an accomplished boat builder and I know even less about boats. You can consider me a green horn or a landlubber. With that said, I love boats, and we must all start somewhere. This build is ripe for many mundane questions which many of you are in the know.
 
The release of this kit goes back many years and many of you may have built this at one time or another. So, feel free to offer up tips, thoughts, history, whatever. Consider it an open thread to educate me, but not only me, many others that might be in the same “boat." It will be a great opportunity for teaching and learning.
 
Looking at the kit I see some things I don’t like, but—for $15 and change and several months fun—I will do what I can to overcome them. And just maybe—with your help—turn out a decent build and in the process learn a heap more about boats.
 
Leaving my options open I may add a seascape to the equation. I am pushing the envelope of my skills with a seascape; anything can happen. Could be a sinking-- or a victory.
 
Lasty--I think this thread has the “potential” for one heck of a seafaring ride.
 
More to come.

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Posted by MR TOM SCHRY on Thursday, October 13, 2022 12:23 PM

Bakster, I have this kit in my stash too so I'll be following your build closely.  I have the Russian Spy Ship version from the 70's.  I want to do mine up as a crusty rusty ship that has seens years & years of service.  Good luck with your build!

tjs

TJS

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 12:54 PM

MR TOM SCHRY

Bakster, I have this kit in my stash too so I'll be following your build closely.  I have the Russian Spy Ship version from the 70's.  I want to do mine up as a crusty rusty ship that has seens years & years of service.  Good luck with your build!

tjs

 

Hey Tom, very cool!  Yeah mine will be weathered too. Not sure how heavily. Glad you will be following and that this will be helpful to you. This is a good start to the thread.

Great to have you aboard! Wink

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Posted by keavdog on Thursday, October 13, 2022 1:53 PM

That looks like fun!  I would have grabbed it at that price as well and I am not a ship builder either.  Go Go Go!

Thanks,

John

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 2:53 PM

keavdog

That looks like fun!  I would have grabbed it at that price as well and I am not a ship builder either.  Go Go Go!

 


Lol. Right? Who can pass up a good deal! And I agree... it does look like fun. There are not a ton of parts to it, which is, A Ok with me.

Thanks for your unbridled enthusiasm, John!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 3:22 PM

Speaking of low parts count. I meant to post this earlier. Just a reference.

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, October 13, 2022 5:10 PM

And, you are in luck, there's tons of reference photos

Dutch trawler

Bottom drag rig

Deck winch:

Cabin interior:

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, October 13, 2022 5:29 PM

The kit represents an "aft house" (vice "fore house") "purse drag" trawler.  The format is similar to a herring trawler, too.  That latter using a "cone" net rather than a purse.

Herring boat can run one or two nets, depending on how many lines they want to manage, and now many fish are in the water column.

Purse net uses "otters" (which very much resemble shipping pallets) to hold the purse open.  Floats hold the top of the net open, and weights the bottom--these are tailored to how deep the net is run.  This is retrieved using an inhaul line which collapses the net mouth closed, and allows the net to be drawn up to one side or the other. 

The kit omits the "block" which is typically used to drag the net aboard (the frames are present, but not the tackle).

The main deck typically has batter boards which can be made up in a grid to sort the catch before passing it to the hold.

The kit can be moderized a bit by adding streaming booms at either side of the mast.  These sometimes stream otters to help hold the boat stable.  Or, are used to steer the net.

A bottom trawler will want a drawbar (or two), and a stouter boom for gettign the net aboard.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:43 PM

I too had the "spy" version. Built it many years ago.

I didn't like the cabin/ bridge section, so I scratchbuilt  my own that backdated the kit to something from the early 1900's

Sorry, no pictures of it ( it was back in the early 80s, and I was prone to succumbing to the use of fireworks.)

I do not recall any problems with the kit, other than the ones I created for myself.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:25 PM

Hey a Capn, nice work with the images and the background info on the various trawlers. The winch image answered one of my questions and the cabin interior helped me as well. Smiling here. 

I wish I had the knowledge base you have because I could create a more detailed and most of all more accurate build. Most of what you outlined flew over my head. I will have to research it. But that is part of the process. I guess if I'd come out of this build even 50% more knowledgeable, I will be happy.

The trawler won't be dead on accurate but maybe we can make it better than out of the box. I will be happy with that. But something tells me that together we will do better than that.

Thanks again, Capn. You stepped up admirably. Much appreciate and this is a great start to the thread. It is reminiscent of the John T days.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:27 PM

littletimmy

I too had the "spy" version. Built it many years ago.

I didn't like the cabin/ bridge section, so I scratchbuilt  my own that backdated the kit to something from the early 1900's

Sorry, no pictures of it ( it was back in the early 80s, and I was prone to succumbing to the use of fireworks.)

I do not recall any problems with the kit, other than the ones I created for myself.

 

Yo Tim...  nice to hear from you. Your build sounds awesome! Wish I could have seen it.

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  • From: back country of SO-CAL, at the birth place of Naval Aviation
Posted by DUSTER on Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:32 PM

 Yo, Ho, Yo Ho it a pirates Life -- oh, my bad---Fisherman’s life for me. 

Say where do they mount the wings?Wink 

 

 

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:37 PM

DUSTER

 Yo, Ho, Yo Ho it a pirates Life -- oh, my bad---Fisherman’s life for me. 

Say where do they mount the wings?Wink 

 

 

 

Oh boy. Not sure where to go with that. Lol.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:49 PM

Btw. I just realized I used ship in my intro when technically it's a boat. I updated the intro. I told you I was a landlubber! Sad

Maybe it was fine the way it was. Maybe too much out of nothing? it's changed though.

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, October 14, 2022 8:41 AM

Super cool Bakster!!! A bit simple kit but so many options to superdetail her!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Est.1961 on Friday, October 14, 2022 10:24 AM
I’m becoming increasingly anxious that the fishing trawler will have no idea that the Nautilus will be in the vicinity.
 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, October 14, 2022 12:14 PM

Bakster
The trawler won't be dead on accurate but maybe we can make it better than out of the box. I will be happy with that. But something tells me that together we will do better than that.

Well, that kit is notoriously "bare" of deck details and only "suggestive" of things that ought to be defined.  So, both the average viewer and average builder will be left with "I wunner why thas like that?"  And, as a modeler, seeing something with soft details that could be sharper can sore nag at a person.

So, the function of the ship/boat (technically, a ship is a vessel large enough to carry a boat) is to tow nets through desireable food fish.

Such a net might look like this:

Or,

Note how these suggest streaming line on two sides.  That's deceptive.
The otters have a steering line which will cause them to either stream or collapse.
Which allows opening or closing the net on demand. 

Beam drag nets:

Use the beam to either hold the net open. or to scrape the bottom to give up biomass.

 

Now, later on, many trawlers changed over to purse seine nets:

Wher you stream the net over the side, then loop around your target biomass until you close the loop.  Tuna boats use a separate "purse boat" to "chase" the net around fast-moving tuna--so, shuch ships have a uniue look to them.

So, all this "stuff" wants various booms, spars, and tackle.

And, of course, the nets.  First thing overboard, last thing aboard--so they are atop all else.  Along with the streaming line, which might be 100 fathoms of 1 or 2 inch line, which might be laked out on deck, rather than reeled up out of the way, as it will be deployed on the next trip to sea.  (Fishermen run with a limited number of deckhands, so, an hour saved is an hour earned.)

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, October 14, 2022 12:15 PM

Wait, why hasn't TankerBuilder chimed in yet?  He's built this kit at least several times.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 14, 2022 3:24 PM

Gamera

Super cool Bakster!!! A bit simple kit but so many options to superdetail her!

 

Well said. It's what we make of it.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 14, 2022 3:26 PM

Est.1961
I’m becoming increasingly anxious that the fishing trawler will have no idea that the Nautilus will be in the vicinity.
 
 

Funny you should say that. The hull has many sinkmarks. I was wondering if Nemo was using the harpoon on it. Stick out tongue

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 14, 2022 3:29 PM

CapnMac82

Wait, why hasn't TankerBuilder chimed in yet?  He's built this kit at least several times.

 

Capn, might have to do with this:

https://cs.finescale.com/fsm/general_discussion/f/50/t/191284.aspx

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 14, 2022 3:32 PM

"Well, that kit is notoriously "bare" of deck details and only "suggestive" of things that ought to be defined.  So, both the average viewer and average builder will be left with "I wunner why thas like that?"  And, as a modeler, seeing something with soft details that could be sharper can sore nag at a person."

Lol. 

And thanks for the read about the nets! Extremely interesting!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 14, 2022 11:26 PM

Bakster

 

 
Est.1961
I’m becoming increasingly anxious that the fishing trawler will have no idea that the Nautilus will be in the vicinity.
 
 

 

 

Funny you should say that. The hull has many sinkmarks. I was wondering if Nemo was using the harpoon on it. Stick out tongue

 

Speaking of sink marks--the hull is riddled with them. I guess I got the $15 molding. Tongue Tied

The arrow points to sink marks not circled. They are present near where each one of those ribs are located.

 

Capn had an interesting idea. I should add scratches and call it dents. Good idea but I will take this opportunity to practice my filling.

And speaking of filling; it is sort of timely. My jar of Tamiya cement is getting low. It occurred to me that I should make sprue-goo out of the kits styrene. The goo I have is gray and here is a good opportunity to make some white. I will use it on the hull. I have the bits melting and maybe by Sunday it will be good for use. Maybe even tomorrow if I am lucky.

In another post I alluded to things I don't like about the kit. Two things primarily.

1. Closed in windows and portals. Not  a terrible problem because I can open them but ... why should I have to. Yes I know... old mold and what do you want for $15. Sad

2. I think the railings are seriously out of scale. I was gonna ask for opinions on that but its funny. Last night I watched a YouTube review of the kit and one of the first things the guy says is-- the railings are out of scale. Bang! A little down the road I will image it and see what you guys think. Or--maybe you already know that to be a fact. The thing is ... in my opinion--it's bad enough to make the boat look toyish and that grates on me. I can't have that. I am not sure how I will address that yet but scratch building might be on the docket. Blah.

Below: The windows. Delicate work but I think I can... I think I can.

Below: Are those hatch covers?

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  • From: Twin cities, MN
Posted by missileman2000 on Saturday, October 15, 2022 8:59 AM

Would 1:144 PE railings be close enough?

The portals are a natural for windows materials like Microscale.  If you get them cut out okay, I would think a single sheet of thin acrylic would bend easily enough that you could cover bridge windows all with one strip.

BTW, I love civil working boats, and your thread has reminded me of how neat that kit is.  I'm now shopping for one.

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 15, 2022 10:48 AM

missileman2000
Would 1:144 PE railings be close enough?

  Not sure but I will check.

missileman2000
If you get them cut out okay, I would think a single sheet of thin acrylic would bend easily enough that you could cover bridge windows all with one strip.

That is exactly what I was envisioning as well. Should be easy to afix it as well.

missileman2000
BTW, I love civil working boats, and your thread has reminded me of how neat that kit is.  I'm now shopping for one

  That is awesome, Don! Good luck with your search. You should have no problem finding one!

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, October 15, 2022 12:16 PM

1/144 accessories are likely to be the way to go.

From memory, most fishing boats use rigid pipe rails, with a mx of panted and chromed, and retaining dents and dings.

There's a trick I've been seeing online where a person uses a bit of smooth tape for portholes (or airliner windows) and uses a drop of UV-cured clear resin, then used a small UV flashlight to cure the galzing in situ.

The other recent dodge I heard for middle-scale portholes is to use shiny black Mylar tape and glue that behind drilled-out portholes.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 15, 2022 3:17 PM

CapnMac82

1/144 accessories are likely to be the way to go.

From memory, most fishing boats use rigid pipe rails, with a mx of panted and chromed, and retaining dents and dings.

There's a trick I've been seeing online where a person uses a bit of smooth tape for portholes (or airliner windows) and uses a drop of UV-cured clear resin, then used a small UV flashlight to cure the galzing in situ.

The other recent dodge I heard for middle-scale portholes is to use shiny black Mylar tape and glue that behind drilled-out portholes.

 

 

Those are good tips about the porthole glass. I have been meaning to get some UV. Might be time to pull the trigger.

Regariding the PE, I don't see any that look like what comes with the kit and as shown below. Unless I am missing it.

I don't want to change the scale at the cost of the correct look. That is a deal killer for me. Might have to scratch build.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 15, 2022 8:24 PM

I knocked out the windows today. Basically, I ran a drill through then using the bit cut out as much as I felt safe to. After that I used a blade up to the frame. Finally, I used Tamiya Extra Thin to soften the rough edges. Overall, it came out close enough for my eye.

Tomorrow I will clean up the backside of these pieces so there are no high spots. There are some issues there that will interfere with the clear styrene strips.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 15, 2022 11:57 PM

I just found this informative artlcle about the model and a persons methodology to improve it. I won't take my revamp to his level, not even close, but I can draw from it some. He DOES replace the railings by using wire. I had been thinking of using wire because wire can be bent and formed easily. We shall see when I get there.

https://modelingmadness.com/review/misc/ships/gb/spahrtrawl.htm

 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, October 16, 2022 8:02 AM

Hi There!

 Been out of Computer pocket for a few. As to whether I have built this kit. The ( North Sea Fishing Trawler) by Revell. Yes, I have! Not as a Trawler though. I have used the hull for Trawler version Yachts. After being raised around the "Tuna Clipper" style boat as modeled by Lifelike/Lindberg I really had no desire to build something that when in port after a haul resembled nothing like what's in the Box and Detail, Never Mind!
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