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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 7:27 PM

 

"On the masthead, it's--from top down--an all-around white light; an all-around red; and the 135° masthead white."


Hey Capn, more questions. I plan to build all three lights but only light the 135 masthead white. I believe the last one is the one you said I should light. My question is this. For the red light, is the lens red or are they using a red bulb? Would you know? 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, October 27, 2022 4:41 PM

Bakster
For the red light, is the lens red or are they using a red bulb? Would you know?

I would.  Lens is red until the last 4 years or so, when powerful enough LEDs became available.

Red lense means only needing to stock one kind of incandescent lamps for the fixtures.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:18 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
For the red light, is the lens red or are they using a red bulb? Would you know?

 

I would.  Lens is red until the last 4 years or so, when powerful enough LEDs became available.

Red lense means only needing to stock one kind of incandescent lamps for the fixtures.

 

I figured you would. Thanks for the info!

Btw. I ordered the PE. Will see how it looks. Yes

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Thursday, October 27, 2022 7:06 PM

If you decide to go with the motorized  radar/ weather  array ...

I have a few of those "vibrating" motors.

They have an elliptical cam on the end of the shafts. That's what makes the phone vibrate/dance. Their easily removable. 

I used one to make working windshield wipers on a 1/87 scale locomotive.

They worked great ..... but I'm NEVER doing that again !!!

If you want, I could send some your way.

Cap is right, you will need some resistors to slow them down.

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 27, 2022 8:47 PM

littletimmy

If you decide to go with the motorized  radar/ weather  array ...

I have a few of those "vibrating" motors.

They have an elliptical cam on the end of the shafts. That's what makes the phone vibrate/dance. Their easily removable. 

I used one to make working windshield wipers on a 1/87 scale locomotive.

They worked great ..... but I'm NEVER doing that again !!!

If you want, I could send some your way.

Cap is right, you will need some resistors to slow them down.

 

 

Thanks for the offer and I will let you know if I go that route. So you said that you will never do that again. Why?

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, October 27, 2022 9:27 PM

Here is what I am up to. 

1. I made and installed a bulkhead just forward of the last brace on the right. The reason for the bulkhead is that the model had it open and light would pour out from there.

2. LEDs are wired and installed. I went with three LEDs to distribute light more evenly. I went with yellow to mimic incandescent.

3. Sprue-goo was used to seal gaps on the bulkhead assemblies and to strengthen the connections.

I had to turn off the main light to show the effect. My camera phone was not capturing it. And of course, no light blocking is in place yet. You must use your imagination at this point.

The top deck above the cabin area is not attached. That piece is gonna be a bear to attach. Something towards the stern is causing it to not seat properly. I will need to look at that more closely. I wanted to attach that section after paint because I didn't want to deal with masking the portholes and I planned to make the windows from the inside. But... in light of how badly that piece fits... I might have to attach it with copeous amounts of glue and that is best done before paint. Time will tell. If I can figure out the fit issue.. maybe not a problem. Worst case I have punches that I can make masks and it should reduce the pain of masking.

Btw. I purchased UV resin to make the windows. I have not tried the stuff before for that and I want to give it a whirl. I will first experiment on some scrap.

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Friday, October 28, 2022 1:07 AM

Some pics of local trawlers for you. Will get on board a couple next week for some better shots.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Friday, October 28, 2022 1:18 AM

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Friday, October 28, 2022 1:35 AM

Sorry about the quality of the photos. Just from my phone and some trouble with shaky hands. These boats operate from Lakes Entrance in Victoria's far East. Their fishing grounds range from relatively local, through Bass Straight to the Southern Ocean on the far side of Tasmania. Bass Straight is acknowledged as one of the roughest stretches of water in the world, so they take quite a battering.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Friday, October 28, 2022 3:03 AM

Hopefully these photos are of some use Bakster.

Dodgy

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by lurch on Friday, October 28, 2022 9:00 AM

Those are some fantastic pictures Dodgy. They show alot of details that would be very important. Thank you for doing that.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 28, 2022 9:09 AM

Hey Ferg-- thanks for all the work you put into posting those images.  I already see some things of interest.  And you mentioned blurred photos-- they look fine to me!

Btw. In another thread you mentioned working on a trawler as well.  Feel free to post pics here, if you like. Or maybe you want to start your own build thread! That would be very cool...

Thanks again my Friend.  

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, October 28, 2022 12:35 PM

Found this small motor (which likely needs a potentiometer to reduce rpm) that might be less work than a vibrator motor.

https://nfpshop.com/product/4mm-smallest-dc-motor-12mm-length-3-7v-dc-model-nfp-d0412-3978

There are some 3 rpm gearboxes for 12-14mm 3V motors, but noise could be an issue. 

Using the Ross Jackal photos, a person could use juts the one "bar" radar.

Both Erikson & Phillips made marine radar that were in 0.5m "disk" style enclosures, if a person were keen on having two radar.. 

For that matter the "bar" radar could be replaced with a circular disk enclosure around 1 x 0.2m to scale.  No visible moving parts required at all.

Might be some teeny motors from the railroad side of things--I'll keep looking.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, October 28, 2022 2:45 PM

Hey Capn, very interesting. The size looks great. A couple of things I see off the bat.

Once again I am using a 9volt battery for the lighting. I'd probably have to install a separate power source for that or find a voltage converter of some sort. But the other thing I noticed it says it runs in a CCW rotation. What direction do radars rotate?

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, October 28, 2022 3:31 PM

Hey Dodgy!

        I thought In the "Land Down Under" The fish jumped into your arms, That's what I was told! LOL, LOL!! Hey those are beautiful Trawler photos,my friend.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, October 28, 2022 3:33 PM

Hi Capn'

      Dont forget Furuno made some nice commercial grade long and short bar radars too. I had Furuno Radars and Bell(No relation to Bell aircraft) Radios.

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, October 29, 2022 10:52 AM

Bakster
What direction do radars rotate?

Clockwise except for when they go anticlockwise.  CW may be more common, but, we are back to being a "representation" too.

Many motors will reverse simply by wiring them "backwards" too.

Or, model one of these:

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, October 29, 2022 8:37 PM

Bakster

 

 
littletimmy

If you decide to go with the motorized  radar/ weather  array ...

I have a few of those "vibrating" motors.

They have an elliptical cam on the end of the shafts. That's what makes the phone vibrate/dance. Their easily removable. 

I used one to make working windshield wipers on a 1/87 scale locomotive.

They worked great ..... but I'm NEVER doing that again !!!

If you want, I could send some your way.

Cap is right, you will need some resistors to slow them down.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the offer and I will let you know if I go that route. So you said that you will never do that again. Why?

 

 

My eyes ain't what they use to be...

That, and my sausage fingers didn't really fit into the locomotive cab..... and therfore the project took on " HILARIOUS"  problems.

( just imagine building wiper arms out of  1/16th of an inch long pieces of Brass ... three pieces ...EACH !   PLUS THE GEAR ! )

But, it DID work! 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, October 30, 2022 1:09 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
What direction do radars rotate?

 

Clockwise except for when they go anticlockwise.  CW may be more common, but, we are back to being a "representation" too.

Many motors will reverse simply by wiring them "backwards" too.

Or, model one of these:

 

Thanks, Capn. I may buy a few to experiment with. They are cheap enough. If the stars align I might do it. If too much work, I think punt. Thanks for the work on this and your suggestions. 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, October 30, 2022 1:10 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster

 

 
littletimmy

If you decide to go with the motorized  radar/ weather  array ...

I have a few of those "vibrating" motors.

They have an elliptical cam on the end of the shafts. That's what makes the phone vibrate/dance. Their easily removable. 

I used one to make working windshield wipers on a 1/87 scale locomotive.

They worked great ..... but I'm NEVER doing that again !!!

If you want, I could send some your way.

Cap is right, you will need some resistors to slow them down.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the offer and I will let you know if I go that route. So you said that you will never do that again. Why?

 

 

 

 

My eyes ain't what they use to be...

That, and my sausage fingers didn't really fit into the locomotive cab..... and therfore the project took on " HILARIOUS"  problems.

( just imagine building wiper arms out of  1/16th of an inch long pieces of Brass ... three pieces ...EACH !   PLUS THE GEAR ! )

But, it DID work! 

 

Oh I hear that about the eyes. Same here.

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Posted by lurch on Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:21 AM

Yea my eyes are going also. Have to make that appointment again. 

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, November 1, 2022 8:01 PM

lurch

Yea my eyes are going also. Have to make that appointment again. 

 

It's not my eyes that trouble me so much as the clutz that lives inside me and loves to break out every once in a while!!Crying

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 2:22 PM

Hi!

     Eyes, who said eyes? Did you factor in the rest? I have long wondered if I could invent pull-on hands similar to prostehetics but more close to human in ability. Then I could build till I fall over! I would get some Nerd to fix me up with a set of sensory goggles that fed info right into the optic nerve too. Oh Shoot!, I forgot this is only 2022!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 5, 2022 11:35 AM

Here is an interesting video about the Artic Corsair. In ways seems similar to the one I am building but I see differences as well. Capn may have further commentary perhaps. I am posting it because it is an interesting video and it offers some good info that can be gleaned from it.

https://youtu.be/xI6h_mX5Dkc 

Today I am working on the stern light, and maybe the mast lights.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, November 5, 2022 11:53 AM

Hi!

      Well, I remember them from when I was a kid. That Video brought back a LOT of memories. The fact is, They were on one side of the harbor and the Tuna Clippers(Yes! Like the Lindberg/Life-Like) model were on the other side. The Tunamen didn't like them because the nets caught fish indiscrimantley whereas we chummed and only brought Tuna on board with barbless hooks!

      But, there were some of the captains that were concientious and we respected them. they were beautiful of line and did what they were designed for. They weathered sea states that many would not want to be in by choice! The Hull Ship has some Mods of course. I couldn't pin them down, but she did look different somewhat.

      I think this is a nice model to learn detailing and weathering on! It's solid and even with out of scale rails she looks interesting. Especially to those who have never seen one of these up close and personal! As usual I suspect you are gonna knock our socks off! NOTE:

      My Furuno Bar Radars rotated clockwise on the Oil Spill response boats.(Converted LCM-6s)

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 5, 2022 3:13 PM

Tanker-Builder

Hi!

      Well, I remember them from when I was a kid. That Video brought back a LOT of memories. The fact is, They were on one side of the harbor and the Tuna Clippers(Yes! Like the Lindberg/Life-Like) model were on the other side. The Tunamen didn't like them because the nets caught fish indiscrimantley whereas we chummed and only brought Tuna on board with barbless hooks!

      But, there were some of the captains that were concientious and we respected them. they were beautiful of line and did what they were designed for. They weathered sea states that many would not want to be in by choice! The Hull Ship has some Mods of course. I couldn't pin them down, but she did look different somewhat.

      I think this is a nice model to learn detailing and weathering on! It's solid and even with out of scale rails she looks interesting. Especially to those who have never seen one of these up close and personal! As usual I suspect you are gonna knock our socks off! NOTE:

      My Furuno Bar Radars rotated clockwise on the Oil Spill response boats.(Converted LCM-6s)

 

Thanks for the commentary, TB. Always interesting.

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 5, 2022 4:27 PM

I received the PE. Clearly-- smaller than the model but if the ladder is anything like the railing-- it is out of scale.  What do you guys think? 

I am hoping to use the stairs that came with the PE.

Today I worked on the stern light. I found that 1206 size LEDs are a bit too large, I went with an 0805. Using Evergreen Ibeam stock I cut an opening for the LED chip to poke through.  

The soldering side from the back.

I used Evergreen flat stock to make a top and bottom.  Not shown in an image.

My next decision was where to mount it. 

Below: I found and captured an image showing how the Tiger has it mounted.

Below: A very bad image of the Arctic Corsair. The arrow points to what I think the stern light is and how they have it mounted to the deck. The latter is in line with what Capn mentioned. I toyed with mounting it to a brass tube but in the end, I decided to mount it to the deck. Seems like an acceptable compromise to me.

Railing not glued and just for perspective. 

Greatly underexposed so as to show some light detail. Otherwise--blown out.

I mountend it where the model has the flagpole. Truth is -- on the Tiger-- the pole is on the inward side of the railing. And if I left the pole in place as per the model--the pole would block the light. So--I will move the pole to the other side.

If time allows tomorrow, I might start on the mast lights.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, November 5, 2022 9:24 PM

Those ladders are smaller than the cast on one's, but I believe they WILL look better.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, November 6, 2022 12:16 AM

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Those ladders are smaller than the cast on one's, but I believe they WILL look better.

 

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That is my thinking too, Tim.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 6, 2022 7:12 AM

Well!

  Nice save on the sternlight! As to the ladders, just what I meant. Standing off from the bulkhead they will look so much better.

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