Revell Northsea Fishing Trawler WIP

Concur with Don.

Would have been a large incandescent lamp in the fixture (there was a fetish of a sort, back i nthe 60s for mercury-vapor lamps, but that was not common).

MV Tregurtha is called "Queen of the Lakes"--not only the last of the "thousand footers" built, but the longests at 1013'-6".  105 feet wide (max permitted by the Soo Locks).

The Duluth Ship Cnanal is oriented almost due East, and when the wind comes in off the Lake, it will build up a serious fetch which the canal focuses into a serious chop. 

The build is progressing nicely.

missileman2000

Look at the windows.  I think this is just the artists impression of the reflection of blue sea.

 

 

Yep. My thoughts too. Thanks Don.

Look at the windows.  I think this is just the artists impression of the reflection of blue sea.

And the work continues.

Imagine the piece with a solid flat face. And below, material is milled out. I will use a 1206 LED for the light source. 

 Couple of points.

1. A few months back I watched a video where a builder used a drill bit to mill with. I was amazed at how nicely it cut for him. So, I tried it, and holy cats, it works great. I have a number of dremel bits for stuff like this and I tell ya, I have so much more control and precision using a drill bit. It worked really well on the piece above. Thought I'd share that and in case it might be of use to others.

2. A question for Capn and/or others. The artwork on the box has the floodlight lens having a bluish cast. Is there a precedence for this or is this just an artists imagination.

Okay. As mentioned the holes are cut and the LEDs fitted. The wires are soldered to the LED chips and the LEDs tested while in the wheelhouse assembly.

I must say... they looked awesome lit up. The brightness is perfect and the angle of view looked decent too. I tried imaging them but the pics were blown out. Id have to try it with my camera. My smart phone is terrible for LEDs. But for now, I pulled the lights out and stowed em. I will affix them when I am ready to install the wheelhouse.

I will probably try making a lens for them using UV epoxy. I have seen other modelers use the stuff for lenses and to good effect. I would do that once they are installed. I might try cleaning up the frame some using sprue-goo. Then at some point I need to make the cabin lighting. That should be an easy deal.

That's it for now.

Thanks, Capn. That pretty much answers all my questions and that is a cool video too.  

Now its a matter of doing. I started cutting holes into the wheelhouse light housings. Amazingly, I may have pulled it off. They are tiny. I can just fit an 0603 LED chip into them. Not sure if the light will be to scale but it's the best I can do. I will use 1206 chips for the mast and stern lights. They are larger LEDs and should produced a larger light footprint.

You have been a massive help on this.  Thanks again.

Speaking of cool video. I came across this video in my searches. It's not related to this build but I thought it cool to watch.

https://youtu.be/4RG6eupGVL4

Bakster

 Bingo! I noticed this last night. Below is a screen shot of the model from the link that I posted days back. You can see the builder colored it red. The other side from another angle not shown here is blue or green, can't tell. I think that is where they are supposed to go on this model. Is it technically correct? Who knows but since they put it there, that is where I will put them.

I looked at the assembly closer and sure enough, they are there and they look like the lights you noted below.

Here is how he has the bow light. I assume it the second down? Not sure.

And below, that boxy looking piece below the flag perhaps his stern light?

 

Tes, on all counts. 
Green is the specified starboard color, but must juridiictions will aloow blue (although that's more for aviation).

On the masthead, it's--from top down--an all-around white light; an all-around red; and the 135° masthead white.

Yes, that's the stern light fixture, the "box" is its "batwings" to limit the light to the reuired angle.  That one might be the hardest one to "light" at this scale.  A person could be forgiven for moving it to the top of the stern turtlebback, allowing LED insertion from below.

Oh, and this popped up last night from Duluth as a good example of commercial vessel lighting.  And, how a person can pick out the reuired nav lights from all the other lights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDpFAkNg1DE

(Wow, Kalmbach has "busted" the YT link again [headsmack])

missileman2000

Ordered the kit from Amazon a week ago.  Got notice yesterday kit will arrive sometime in December!  I didn't realize they had a source in Antartica.

 

Don... what the heck about December! Sorry to hear about the delay. I think my local HobbyTown even has one. Ugh... Maybe cancel and look elsewhere. 

Ordered the kit from Amazon a week ago.  Got notice yesterday kit will arrive sometime in December!  I didn't realize they had a source in Antartica.

CapnMac82

Ok, this is a test (it is only a test )

In this image:

The circled items ought be the sidelights (if with too-heavy  trim boards)

 

 

 

Bingo! I noticed this last night. Below is a screen shot of the model from the link that I posted days back. You can see the builder colored it red. The other side from another angle not shown here is blue or green, can't tell. I think that is where they are supposed to go on this model. Is it technically correct? Who knows but since they put it there, that is where I will put them.

I looked at the assembly closer and sure enough, they are there and they look like the lights you noted below.

Here is how he has the bow light. I assume it the second down? Not sure.

And below, that boxy looking piece below the flag perhaps his stern light?

Ok, this is a test (it is only a test )

In this image:

The circled items ought be the sidelights (if with too-heavy  trim boards)

"Scalemates gves the trawlers scale at 1:142  which would give you a shot at 1:144 PE ladders- maybe?"

Say Duster, agreed, but that is the issue. I can't seem to find ladders near that scale. But that is where I am not very good at finding stuff like that. Will keep looking.

Good to see it's not all LEDs and high tech PE parts. Sometimes ya just gotta go for the basics  so the other can follow along later. 

Scalemates gves the trawlers scale at 1:142  which would give you a shot at 1:144 PE ladders- maybe? 

Back to some actual work. I am showing you this mundane stuff not to show off modeling prowess. No, not in the least. Basic stuff here. Just sharing so you can follow along with the build. 

I opened up the portholes on pieces 11 and 12. They had them closed. No magic here. I used a small drill to cut a hole and I then opened the remaining using a fine needle file. Afterwards, I applied a little Tamiya Extra Thin to smooth out the roughness.

I glued those same pieces to part 9. I have the top deck positioned, not glued, so that those same pieces orient correctly. I used Extra Thin to attach them but I also used sprue-goo on the underside of the join for added strength. I also cut and glued a piece of sprue to brace the walls. I don't want the joins breaking as I manhandle the assembly. And there probably will be some of that when it comes time to attach the assembly to the main deck. There are some funky alignments and I think to get a clean join it will require some pressure. I don't want things to snap after paint. Hence the proactive reinforment.

Once cured, I will smooth out the corner joins.

I want to replace the molded ladders with PE. Hopefully, I can get a proper scale. I am not very good at figuring out that stuff. 

Oh man Capn-- that is awesome!!!  And with all of that you provided--I am probably 95% of the way there. This is gonna be cool.  I am looking forward to building these. 

THANKS!

That wa sa handy video.  Note the floodlight under the wheelhouse overhang at 01:40

Bakster

You mention the marker lights through the cabin walls. That is too general for my brain. I located some videos of the Ross Tiger and I struggle to see any sort of marker lights on the cabin. In one shot, maybe on an arm extending from the side. It's not clear enough to see if there is a light housing on it. I need to do more research.

As Bill mentions, the red/green lamps are 112.5° fixtures.

Which might be a fisture up agains the cabin side like this:

In days of old, they often were fit on ledges:

Which has to do with the regulations that want this:

Putting "wings" on the light fixtures is/was pretty common to achieve legal compliance.
This is a masthead 135° fixture:

Stern lights would be similar.  Stern lights also mounted to bulkheads directly, and would not require the post base.

Mast lights either go straight on the face of the mast

Or, more classically on a pedestal:

All the various angles are meant to be comlimentary

Probably woud be some lights under the wheelhouse overhang, and for sure in the bow shelter.

Deciding how to model the garish lighting used by fishermen is compicated:

GMorrison

The main thing to remember is that the side marker lights must NOT be visible from astern.

 

Bill

 

NOTED.  I will make a housing for them. Thanks Bill!

The main thing to remember is that the side marker lights must NOT be visible from astern.

Bill

Bakster

Btw. In one video I was able to freeze frame on a section of the ship that shows the circles I asked about. It was clear to me that light came through the small holes. So they are open. On the larger one, it looked like there were two smaller holes within the larger circle. So the entire circle was not opened up but two smaller circles within it. I need to capture it in my computer and take a closer look to make sure I see what I saw.

GMorrison

If you are punking up the model with misc. pipes and scale conduits etc., those can serve as LED connectors. Use brass rod or tube, solder your lamp leads to them paint them whatever color and glue them in.

 

Bill

 

Hey Bill, always great to hear from you and thanks for the tips. I will keep that in mind!

"guess that the easiest/most reasonable at-sea dislay is either with stowed nets, or just having lines over the side (which also means fewest number of people on deck, too).

That could simplify the lighting.  Underway with no nets overboard, it would only be the one white masthead light, and the sidemarkers through the cabin walls, and a stern light."

All excellent info, Capn. What you noted above seems like the way to go. I think that will look cool and it will add a lot to the visual impact. Doing those lights should not be a problem at all.

However...the hard part remains that I still need a clearer mental picture of what makes sence for locations, (not general locations), what the housings might look like, and how they are mounted. I realize I am getting into to the weeds but I should try to make a minimal effort for what would make sence. At the extreme minimum I could slap on some chip LEDs and call it good. If I can garner more info on what the housings looked like, how and where they are mounted, I might fashion something closer to reality. 

You mention the marker lights through the cabin walls. That is too general for my brain. I located some videos of the Ross Tiger and I struggle to see any sort of marker lights on the cabin. In one shot, maybe on an arm extending from the side. It's not clear enough to see if there is a light housing on it. I need to do more research.

Anyhow, we are much closer than before settling the lighting issue. For now, I have other things I can work on and I can circle back later if needed.

Btw. In one video I was able to freeze frame on a section of the ship that shows the circles I asked about. It was clear to me that light came through the small holes. So they are open. On the larger one, it looked like there were two smaller holes within the larger circle. So the entire circle was not opened up but two smaller circles within it. I need to capture it in my computer and take a closer look to make sure I see what I saw.

Here is a good video on the Ross Tiger.

https://youtu.be/-Or-euo84nI

If you are punking up the model with misc. pipes and scale conduits etc., those can serve as LED connectors. Use brass rod or tube, solder your lamp leads to them paint them whatever color and glue them in.

Bill

Bakster

but there are small and larger circles that run along the length of the hull. Not the hand drawn circles, the molded ones.

Those look like "freeing ports" (aka scuppers).

I'd be sore inclined to measure more than a ew of those versus the deck put in place temporarily.

As deck drains (a lot of water comes aboard with the nets and fish) they want to be right at the deck elevation.  Neither below, nor above--as both of those would introduce modeling headaches.

The larger one might just be access panels, or they could be line-handling ports (which ought have a lip around them to not chafe lines).

To help with understanding lighting

Link:  https://www.brighthubengineering.com/seafaring/35064-basics-of-sea-collision-regulations-lights-shapes-and-sound-signals/#lights-on-other-vessels

Now, this might be less helpful, as it would mean needing many teent tiny lights up the masts.

I'll guess that the easiest/most reasonable at-sea dislay is either with stowed nets, or just having lines over the side (which also means fewest number of people on deck, too).

That could simplify the lighting.  Underway with no nets overboard, it would only be the one white masthead light, and the sidemarkers through the cabin walls, and a stern light.

Luvspinball

I think you did a marvelous job hiding the wonky seam.  Kudos!

There are a gazillion ways now to light the cabin and below decks with LEDs if you so choose.  Most important thing to know is that light leaks! Through any and every seam.  So you have to be very careful to make your areas "light tight."  Not hard, just tedious.  Best method I learned was to fill all seams; prime with black; coat of silver; another coat of black; finish with whatever color you wish.  The sandwich of black-silver-black makes it virtually impossible for any light to leak through the seams.  Hide the wiring in plumbing; there is always pipes and plumbing in a ship.

Bob

 

Hey thanks for the advice, Bob. Noted! And thanks for the kudos and for posting.

keavdog

All this fishing boat talk reminds me of the Andrea Gail from perfect storm. Keep her above water Bako! (Dodgy reference lol)

 

Lol.

Hey.. good movie! I wonder if I could get some build insight from that boat? Either way I think I should watch just for inspiration!

Thanks for posting, John!

I think you did a marvelous job hiding the wonky seam.  Kudos!

There are a gazillion ways now to light the cabin and below decks with LEDs if you so choose.  Most important thing to know is that light leaks! Through any and every seam.  So you have to be very careful to make your areas "light tight."  Not hard, just tedious.  Best method I learned was to fill all seams; prime with black; coat of silver; another coat of black; finish with whatever color you wish.  The sandwich of black-silver-black makes it virtually impossible for any light to leak through the seams.  Hide the wiring in plumbing; there is always pipes and plumbing in a ship.

Bob

And now a dumb question. I don't know if you can see it in the image but there are small and larger circles that run along the length of the hull. Not the hand drawn circles, the molded ones. I tried to find good photos revealing what those are and if I should open those up. But no luck. What are those?

Okay so remember the join issue. 

After: 

There may be a bit of wonkiness to it but I think it's mostly the lighting make it look that way. The shadow of the join is coming through. I won't know until I get primer on it. 

I think I had mentioned using sprue-goo to fill those joins. It worked well. What remains to be seen is how much more it will shrink back. It might be a week to two before I see for sure. But if there is some wonky, I am not too terribly concerned. As most know, ships are like that and Capn alluded to it too.

Not sure where I go from here. I think I need to decide what I am gonna do about the decking. I am leaning toward leaving as it. I would not mind replanking, I think it would be kind of fun. The issue I see is removing what's there. I really do not want to pile planks on top of planks. That creates new problems. And sanding all that back would be a major job. I don't see it worth the effort.  Again... a dumbed down boat.

All this fishing boat talk reminds me of the Andrea Gail from perfect storm. Keep her above water Bako! (Dodgy reference lol)

Hi Capn... thanks for all that about the lighting. I will take what I can from it. Being a landlubber, it's tough. I'd love to add most of what you noted but I am a visual person. I have to see it to understand and to duplicate it.

I did some searches with not much luck. So, unless I can find clear images of it all, it probably won't be added.

This will likely remain a dumbed down boat and I am ok with that. That was my expectation to begin with. Just trying keep peoples expectations low, like mine. Lol.

Thanks again and we will see where this goes.