Revell Northsea Fishing Trawler WIP

Yours too?

      My landlady says I am the bind Kind, always of my own making, of course!

DUSTER

 

 

Bakster

 

My builds are about perceived realism. I want them to look real, not necessarily be accurate. ...   

  

 

 

 

A very nice turn of phrase.  Perfectly sums up my building philosophy as well.   Though I still get myself into a “build bind” (of my own making) most of the time.  Oh well. 

 

 

Laughing. Getting into binds is my middle name. 

Hey !

 Here's an idea. The stanchions, being slightly larger than scale can be left and you can cut off the rail. Then, where you've got that flat spot, drill a hole and then carefully using a vertical movement sand the stanchions till they look scale, Thread in soft wire or smaller plastic rod and Viola" new rails that look better.

 I have found that thinning also helps in this department. That can be accomplished by the good old scrape with an X-Acto blade held sideways, for sure. I had to do that on a German High speed patrol boat. NEW (West German) I can't remember who did the kit, but like Airfixe's Lifeboats it looked great with thinned rails.

Tanker-Builder

Hey Bakster!

      No matter what I say, some things will be confusing. I sometimes use a bad choice of word groups. I have built so many bad ones it would knock yer socks off. I thought the "Shell Welder" kit, back in the day was, although crude at least representative of a class we had  and one as a model,Finally!

      Models of coasters are rare and I was grateful for her. Five of them later I have Not used the kits parts above the deck, only Mine, Some of the parts are nothing but trash. Why? Well, talk about wearing out a set of Model,s Molding  heads, Wow!

 

Speaking of the sprue-goo. I had applied the filler to the hull on Saturday. The concotion was melted as I needed it. I sanded the areas yesterday and they came out great. I also used the stuff to fill gaps and reinforce the cabin assembly. 

lurch

That is a good question Baxter. I think you are correct about the photographic memory. 

 

I wish I had a photographic memory. It would sure make my day job easier. I spend 80% of my day looking for emails to reconstruct things. It seems all I do is regurgitate the same answers to problems that take forever to resolve. Constantly having to find the answers that I already gave. Maddening.

That is a good question Baxter. I think you are correct about the photographic memory. 

Hey Bakster!

      No matter what I say, some things will be confusing. I sometimes use a bad choice of word groups. I have built so many bad ones it would knock yer socks off. I thought the "Shell Welder" kit, back in the day was, although crude at least representative of a class we had  and one as a model,Finally!

      Models of coasters are rare and I was grateful for her. Five of them later I have Not used the kits parts above the deck, only Mine, Some of the parts are nothing but trash. Why? Well, talk about wearing out a set of Model,s Molding  heads, Wow!

Bakster

 

My builds are about perceived realism. I want them to look real, not necessarily be accurate. ...   

  

A very nice turn of phrase.  Perfectly sums up my building philosophy as well.   Though I still get myself into a “build bind” (of my own making) most of the time.  Oh well. 

Btw Capn. How have you come to be so knowledgable about boats and ships? You seem to have a deep understanding on most anything that floats, dives, whatever. And not only that, but you know about things that span decades. You must have a photographic memory or something. 

"These things in reality have to much for a modeler to worry about. Unless it's a museum piece  all things are possible."

TB, I do not disagree. Too much work that a modeler should not need to worry about. I gripe about that all the time and probably so much that others may say, shut up and build.

Unfortunately, for this build, the railing is something that sticks in my craw. I don't sweat all the details that master ship builders might worry about, typically, but with something like this that even to a novice looking at it may say, gee, that looks weird. It will look odd and toyish, I can't live with it. That is where I draw the line because for me, if I can't present an "element" of believability, then what's the point? I will never be a master boat/ship builder, so I have to shoot for the lesser.

My builds are about perceived realism. I want them to look real, not necessarily be accurate. If I had the knowledge base that some of you have, I might take it to another level. But I don't, and so I won't. Having said that. I appreciate the information such as what Capn just posted. That is excellent information. Will I use all that? I don't know but it is great that he offers it up for consideration and if I won't, maybe another reader can and will.

I don't like the raised detail on the planking either but I think that will be less noticeable. If the gumption strikes me, maybe I will make new ones. But that is a big maybe.

Good input, thanks Capn.

Oh, No, No!

    I didn't mean to disparage what you are doing. I was just commenting On what I saw compared to what is offered on the model market. I built yachts out of them so's i wouldn't turn to counting rivets! I hated the look of my finished model with the oversize rails and lack of equipment.

    These things in reality have to much for a modeler to worry about. Unless it's a museum piece  all things are possible. Heck, You could pile hairnet on the deck and that wouldn't bother me! Build it and enjoy the job. Don't worry about those damn rivets, cause in that scale ya can't see them anyway!

     Remember the Revell Buckley? A D.E. First of the "Larger" with railings of thread on molded [osts. The posts in scale would've been the diameter of a welders tank set! I replaced them with Home-Made double loop wire the same heighth and my Foster dad helped me do that. She looked way better. He said the Bow rails looked in profile like a shallow stairway with molded posts and thread! 

    Whether they are oversize or not, at least she has rails. Heller's version of "La-Suriot" has plastic rails too. They make her look busy, but they are out of scale too.

Bakster

I just found this informative artlcle about the model and a persons methodology to improve it

That was a good article.  It really did not seem an extreme amunt of labor (or labour in his case).

Those photos of the museum ship ought to be handy.

Now, a decision will be wanted on the "when" of this kit.  Back in the 50s, she would have been steam powered, and probably might have had a wood deck, at least at the stern.  If into the 70s-80s, the deck would have been big steel plates, more like the museum ship.

The Stack would be the same on the outside.  There would be a boiler exhuast, and the galley stack, too, and the bypass steam exhaust.  In the 70s after a diesel conversion would have the diesel exhaust, a generator exhaust, and the galley stack, all through a blanking plate suare on top of the stack.

Back in the 50s-60s, probably the radar wuld want  deleting.  60s-70s a singe radar with abotu a 1m long bar might be fit.  For 70s-80s the radar bars ought be a 1m bar for the navigation set, and a 22m bar for the weather set.  Mind Decca and Phillips had radar in circular FG discs around 100 x 20cm

A person wanting brass stanchions would probably want 6mm /1/4" at 1/142

Mind, a 2" stanchion comes out at 0.35mm scaring 1/64" pretty hard, so having to scootch up in scale might be reuired. (Using 1mm/1/32" tube probably is an answer.)

All sorts of possibilities.

Probably not too soon to start looking at getting Some diamond-shaped "cargo" blocks
http://www.bluejacketinc.com/fittings/fittings1.htm

Or other brass bits:  http://www.bluejacketinc.com/fittings/fittings30.htm

Tanker-Builder

Hi There!

 Been out of Computer pocket for a few. As to whether I have built this kit. The ( North Sea Fishing Trawler) by Revell. Yes, I have! Not as a Trawler though. I have used the hull for Trawler version Yachts. After being raised around the "Tuna Clipper" style boat as modeled by Lifelike/Lindberg ireally had no desire to build something that when in port after a haul resembled nothing like what's in the Box and Detail, Never Mind!

 

Well that didn't take long.

I can appreciate your thoughts on the model TB, I surely can. I have no problem with any of that.

I reread your post a dozen times and I what I cannot appreciate is how you ended it. In short, the model stinks for it's intended purpose, and by association, so does your build.

There is no other way to take it. You completely ignore the spirit of the build. I hope that was not your intent because that comes off as rivet counter snobbery and it is precisely why I avoided the ships forum for so long. I have seen this before.

It's just a model folks. This is not a museum piece that I am building. And that too is why I carefully crafted the intro to this build so as to dispel any other notions. But apparently, I didn't debase myself enough.

siiirhd88

 

 

Bakster

Below: Are those hatch covers?

 

 

Those are engine room skylights or skylight covers.  Hinged toward the centerline, they fold up when open for light or ventilation.  Typically they are solid covers over windows, and both can open, but I have seen just solid covers or just windows.  Google "engine room skylight" for pics.  Sometimes they are just a row of round portholes.

Bob

 

 

Thanks for catching my question Bob, and for educating us on that. Much appreciate.

Bakster

Below: Are those hatch covers?

Those are engine room skylights or skylight covers.  Hinged toward the centerline, they fold up when open for light or ventilation.  Typically they are solid covers over windows, and both can open, but I have seen just solid covers or just windows.  Google "engine room skylight" for pics.  Sometimes they are just a row of round portholes.

Bob

Hi There!

I just found this informative artlcle about the model and a persons methodology to improve it. I won't take my revamp to his level, not even close, but I can draw from it some. He DOES replace the railings by using wire. I had been thinking of using wire because wire can be bent and formed easily. We shall see when I get there.

https://modelingmadness.com/review/misc/ships/gb/spahrtrawl.htm

I knocked out the windows today. Basically, I ran a drill through then using the bit cut out as much as I felt safe to. After that I used a blade up to the frame. Finally, I used Tamiya Extra Thin to soften the rough edges. Overall, it came out close enough for my eye.

Tomorrow I will clean up the backside of these pieces so there are no high spots. There are some issues there that will interfere with the clear styrene strips.

CapnMac82

1/144 accessories are likely to be the way to go.

From memory, most fishing boats use rigid pipe rails, with a mx of panted and chromed, and retaining dents and dings.

There's a trick I've been seeing online where a person uses a bit of smooth tape for portholes (or airliner windows) and uses a drop of UV-cured clear resin, then used a small UV flashlight to cure the galzing in situ.

The other recent dodge I heard for middle-scale portholes is to use shiny black Mylar tape and glue that behind drilled-out portholes.

 

Those are good tips about the porthole glass. I have been meaning to get some UV. Might be time to pull the trigger.

Regariding the PE, I don't see any that look like what comes with the kit and as shown below. Unless I am missing it.

I don't want to change the scale at the cost of the correct look. That is a deal killer for me. Might have to scratch build.

1/144 accessories are likely to be the way to go.

From memory, most fishing boats use rigid pipe rails, with a mx of panted and chromed, and retaining dents and dings.

There's a trick I've been seeing online where a person uses a bit of smooth tape for portholes (or airliner windows) and uses a drop of UV-cured clear resin, then used a small UV flashlight to cure the galzing in situ.

The other recent dodge I heard for middle-scale portholes is to use shiny black Mylar tape and glue that behind drilled-out portholes.

missileman2000

Would 1:144 PE railings be close enough?

missileman2000

If you get them cut out okay, I would think a single sheet of thin acrylic would bend easily enough that you could cover bridge windows all with one strip.

missileman2000

BTW, I love civil working boats, and your thread has reminded me of how neat that kit is.  I'm now shopping for one

Would 1:144 PE railings be close enough?

The portals are a natural for windows materials like Microscale.  If you get them cut out okay, I would think a single sheet of thin acrylic would bend easily enough that you could cover bridge windows all with one strip.

BTW, I love civil working boats, and your thread has reminded me of how neat that kit is.  I'm now shopping for one.

Bakster

 

 

Est.1961

I’m becoming increasingly anxious that the fishing trawler will have no idea that the Nautilus will be in the vicinity.

 

 

 

 

 

Funny you should say that. The hull has many sinkmarks. I was wondering if Nemo was using the harpoon on it. 

 

Speaking of sink marks--the hull is riddled with them. I guess I got the $15 molding. 

The arrow points to sink marks not circled. They are present near where each one of those ribs are located.

Capn had an interesting idea. I should add scratches and call it dents. Good idea but I will take this opportunity to practice my filling.

And speaking of filling; it is sort of timely. My jar of Tamiya cement is getting low. It occurred to me that I should make sprue-goo out of the kits styrene. The goo I have is gray and here is a good opportunity to make some white. I will use it on the hull. I have the bits melting and maybe by Sunday it will be good for use. Maybe even tomorrow if I am lucky.

In another post I alluded to things I don't like about the kit. Two things primarily.

1. Closed in windows and portals. Not  a terrible problem because I can open them but ... why should I have to. Yes I know... old mold and what do you want for $15. 

2. I think the railings are seriously out of scale. I was gonna ask for opinions on that but its funny. Last night I watched a YouTube review of the kit and one of the first things the guy says is-- the railings are out of scale. Bang! A little down the road I will image it and see what you guys think. Or--maybe you already know that to be a fact. The thing is ... in my opinion--it's bad enough to make the boat look toyish and that grates on me. I can't have that. I am not sure how I will address that yet but scratch building might be on the docket. Blah.

Below: The windows. Delicate work but I think I can... I think I can.

Below: Are those hatch covers?

"Well, that kit is notoriously "bare" of deck details and only "suggestive" of things that ought to be defined.  So, both the average viewer and average builder will be left with "I wunner why thas like that?"  And, as a modeler, seeing something with soft details that could be sharper can sore nag at a person."

Lol. 

And thanks for the read about the nets! Extremely interesting!

CapnMac82

Wait, why hasn't TankerBuilder chimed in yet?  He's built this kit at least several times.

 

Capn, might have to do with this:

https://cs.finescale.com/fsm/general_discussion/f/50/t/191284.aspx

Est.1961

I’m becoming increasingly anxious that the fishing trawler will have no idea that the Nautilus will be in the vicinity.

 

 

Funny you should say that. The hull has many sinkmarks. I was wondering if Nemo was using the harpoon on it. 

Gamera

Super cool Bakster!!! A bit simple kit but so many options to superdetail her!

 

Wait, why hasn't TankerBuilder chimed in yet?  He's built this kit at least several times.

Bakster

The trawler won't be dead on accurate but maybe we can make it better than out of the box. I will be happy with that. But something tells me that together we will do better than that.

Well, that kit is notoriously "bare" of deck details and only "suggestive" of things that ought to be defined.  So, both the average viewer and average builder will be left with "I wunner why thas like that?"  And, as a modeler, seeing something with soft details that could be sharper can sore nag at a person.

So, the function of the ship/boat (technically, a ship is a vessel large enough to carry a boat) is to tow nets through desireable food fish.

Such a net might look like this:

Or,

Note how these suggest streaming line on two sides.  That's deceptive.
The otters have a steering line which will cause them to either stream or collapse.
Which allows opening or closing the net on demand. 

Beam drag nets:

Use the beam to either hold the net open. or to scrape the bottom to give up biomass.

Now, later on, many trawlers changed over to purse seine nets:

Wher you stream the net over the side, then loop around your target biomass until you close the loop.  Tuna boats use a separate "purse boat" to "chase" the net around fast-moving tuna--so, shuch ships have a uniue look to them.

So, all this "stuff" wants various booms, spars, and tackle.

And, of course, the nets.  First thing overboard, last thing aboard--so they are atop all else.  Along with the streaming line, which might be 100 fathoms of 1 or 2 inch line, which might be laked out on deck, rather than reeled up out of the way, as it will be deployed on the next trip to sea.  (Fishermen run with a limited number of deckhands, so, an hour saved is an hour earned.)