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1/48 B-17 Group Build...ALL INVITED TO JOIN!

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  • From: Ohio
Posted by B-17 Guy on Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:26 PM

I've got the 2 48th scale forts going on right now. Well, I've decided to add 2 more forts to the project. Not saying what they are but will say they are both G's and I'm using the regular G kit and a pro-modeler kit, here's a preview.

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Posted by AdrianUK on Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:55 PM

Still working on my B-17, just about got the interior done and started to work on the landing gear and gun emplacements,,, but I wanted to ask, as I'm doing the Chow Hound version what is the closest Tamiya colour for the underside of the plane?

I have a 2nd kit that I am going to spruce up and really go to town as far as AM parts and decals.

On The Bench.....  Tamiya Lancaster

Started PreProduction...   Tamiya Mosquito

In The Hanger...  , HobbyCraft JU88-A4, Mobieus Ironman MK 3, Revell HE 111, , Revell B-17 Memphis Belle, , Dragon ME 262, Arado Ar 234, Eduard Tempest Mk V, Airfix Model club Me109 Ltd Edt, Academy F15 Iraq Freedom. Airfix 1:24th Mosquito

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Posted by B-17 Guy on Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:37 PM

I dont know my way around tamiya paints but the underside color for your fort is neutral grey.

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Posted by B17Pilot on Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:11 PM

If it helps the FS number on my MM Enamel bottle is 36270. Like B-17 Guy said, not familiar with Tamiya paint.

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Posted by B-17 Guy on Thursday, July 7, 2011 8:13 PM

Ok, more progress on my engines.

Each prop governor is 6 seperate pieces, believe it or not.

This what I'm going for


Now do it this many times....

But I've got company when I'm at the bench.

She's hiding....

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  • From: Green Bay, WI
Posted by redraider56 on Thursday, July 7, 2011 9:29 PM

Dam, nice work Guy. If you don't mind, I'm gonna 'borrow' your take on the governor since mine turned out like crap when I tried to recreate them last year

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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Posted by B-17 Guy on Friday, July 8, 2011 8:53 AM

Feel free buddy, I dont mind at all.

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Posted by B17Pilot on Saturday, July 9, 2011 5:04 PM

Pictures at long last!  Got the nose done and fixed to -D standard.  Had to reassemble like a ship in a bottle. The pictures show the progress.  I have begun to tape the nose cone, and then move on the fixing the cockpit area.

Window fit wasn't all that great, but I think it'll pass once its painted, and well some of them weren't that clear, but had no choice but to use 'em.  Oh, well, onto the cockpit, once the nose cone is masked and installed.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, July 11, 2011 12:34 AM

AdrianUK

Can I ask how you dry brush,, I have tried it and my results are no way near as good as what I see in these pics, do u use plain white or silver and do you use washes over the top?

It's too much typing to go into every detail of dry-brushing here, but there's gobs of information in here about it, especially in the Techniques and the  Painting & Airbrushing Forums.. /search/SearchResults.aspx?q=Dry+Brushing+AND+sectionid%3a13&o=Relevance

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But here's a general overview...

Dry-brushing is as much art as science, but when it comes to the actual mechanics of it, it's fairly simple.. You want to rid the brush of as much paint as possible, first of all.. Do that by dipping your brush (a flat is best for this technique), and wipe it back and forth on a piece of cloth or paper towel until the paint is almost gone..

Then you lightly drag it across the model, catching only the raised details.. Do it little by little, don't try to get it done in one pass..  If the paint streaks, then you have too much paint on the brush.  If it's not grabbing the detail, too little...

As for colors, use progressively lighter shades of the BASE color... Not silver or white...  (For NMF finishes though, it's a little different.. I use darker shades of silver for that...)  Once you've painted the base color, add a little white to it (be conservative), then start the dry-brushing..

With each color change, apply less pressure on the brush, until you're just barely hitting the raised details.. Then, just when you think that ONE more pass will do it,  STOP.. It can't be "undone"...

Washes are a bit different.. First, you want it collect in the recessed areas of the surface... Make sure that you use a different kind of paint as well.. If you painted the model with enamels, then wash with acrylics (or Tempera, which is my personal fav since you can wipe it off even after it's dry), and vice versa with an acrylic-finished model (You can use oils as well).  I perfer a "Pin-Wash" (pin-point wash), loading the brush with the wash and letting capillary action pull the paint into the recesses..

Also (though it seems obvious, but believe me, people have done it) make sure that the dry-brushing is done AFTER the wash, not before...  Once your done with dry-brushing, you can start to apply pastels for stains, faded areas, etc, if you choose to do so.... But that's another thread..

Wahes add depth and pop-out the detail, the dry-brushing highlights it.. Used together, along with other weathering techniques,  it's the difference between a good looking model and a so-so one.... But generally, you need to use both for the bestt results..

It takes parctice though, so find a paint-hulk or hangar-queen and practice on it until you feel comfortable and acheive the results you want... And don't forget about those parts numbers on the sprues... Practice on them too.. Once you can highlight them without leaving paint anywhere on the tab but the numbers, you probably got it..

 

 

 

 

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Posted by eng62ine on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:51 AM

I;ve been lurking on here for a littel while after I bought the Revel B-17G kit. My oldest and I are going to do it as a father-son project and so far so good.  I figured we'd start on the bomb cart so he could get some practice with the airbrush as well as learn about masking, washes, etc.  Thanks to all of you for the great pictures and research on here and I'll try and get some of our pics up soon.

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Posted by redraider56 on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:48 PM

Welcome eng62ine Welcome Sign

Looking forward to your pics.  The B-17 is a great starter kit.  I myself got into modeling by building the Memphis Belle with my dad

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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Posted by redraider56 on Monday, July 18, 2011 11:45 AM

Ok I got a couple questions for the resident Fort experts I started painting some of the damaged control surfaces from Teknics yesterday (rudder and elevator)and I've been experimenting with different colors. This is my first question- was the skelton of the B-17 the same color of the interior, or would there be a couple different colors, for example, could the interio be painted a an interior green color and the spars and stuff be a yellowish zinc chromate?  I used Testors flat green to paint the inreior on mine .  Under some lights it looks like a light interior green almost, and under other light it looks like a British gray-green.  When I used it to paint the damaged parts of the rudder (spars and inside of fabric) it just didnt look right, but it looked much better when I used a yellow zinc chromate.  HOWEVER, it may not be the green per-se thats causing the problem.  I'm just not sure what the color on the inside of the fabric on the control surfaces was.  Any body know?  I've tried green spars and yellow zinc on the fabric but the colors didnt really look right.  Maybe the fabric was a light tan?  I'm thinking this is the problem since it doesnt seem to me that it would the same color as the interior or surronding metal.  I'll try some of the other stuff and then get some pictures to see what you guys think

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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Posted by Illinimarine7 on Monday, July 18, 2011 11:53 AM

Thats a pretty good question.  When I did mine I used flat black since I put it behind an engine fire and the carbon from the black smoke would have stained it. 


But to answer  your question, I would do a google image search for B-17 restorations.  And I would color match from there.  Color photos of disassembled forts from the period are probably hard to come by, so e-mailing a restoration group or doing an image search would probably help alot. 


I know the Sally B team loves to talk about their fort you could probably get a good answer from them, the EAA with Aluminum Overcast or the Collings Foundation. 


Sorry I didnt have a better answer for you.

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Monday, July 18, 2011 12:01 PM

Red.  Check out this link.  It's a B17 undergoing restoration and shows some nice detail of the frame and skin interior.

 

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090831-f-1234b-001.jpg

 

 

redraider56

Ok I got a couple questions for the resident Fort experts I started painting some of the damaged control surfaces from Teknics yesterday (rudder and elevator)and I've been experimenting with different colors. This is my first question- was the skelton of the B-17 the same color of the interior, or would there be a couple different colors, for example, could the interio be painted a an interior green color and the spars and stuff be a yellowish zinc chromate?  I used Testors flat green to paint the inreior on mine .  Under some lights it looks like a light interior green almost, and under other light it looks like a British gray-green.  When I used it to paint the damaged parts of the rudder (spars and inside of fabric) it just didnt look right, but it looked much better when I used a yellow zinc chromate.  HOWEVER, it may not be the green per-se thats causing the problem.  I'm just not sure what the color on the inside of the fabric on the control surfaces was.  Any body know?  I've tried green spars and yellow zinc on the fabric but the colors didnt really look right.  Maybe the fabric was a light tan?  I'm thinking this is the problem since it doesnt seem to me that it would the same color as the interior or surronding metal.  I'll try some of the other stuff and then get some pictures to see what you guys think

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: Toledo Area OH
Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Monday, July 18, 2011 12:03 PM

There's also a few images on google of the Liberty Belle as she burned after an emergency landing.  Sad, but the aftermath images show a lot of fire damage detail.

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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  • From: Ohio
Posted by B-17 Guy on Monday, July 18, 2011 12:48 PM

Look through here too, some really good pics in here.

http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=40406

 

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  • From: Green Bay, WI
Posted by redraider56 on Monday, July 18, 2011 9:39 PM
Tanks for links guys but I think I got it figured out. I lightened the flat green with white and neutral gray and used that to pant the inside of the fabric and it looks pretty good IMO. I got some paint drying right now and and have a little of touch up to do, so I'll get some pics up tomorrow to see what you guys think of it....dont be too harsh lol

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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  • From: Green Bay, WI
Posted by redraider56 on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:13 AM

 

Here they are....yay or nay?

 

 

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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Posted by Illinimarine7 on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:26 AM

Nice! But it looks a little jagged for a fabric covered control surface.  I would have it a little more torn.  Add micro strips of paper or felt and paint them OD green.  That way the edges aren't so rough.

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  • From: Green Bay, WI
Posted by redraider56 on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:25 AM

I agree. This was a resin set and it was molded that way but I'll see if I can get more of a torn effect

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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  • From: Frisco, TX
Posted by B17Pilot on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:17 PM

B-17 Guy

Look through here too, some really good pics in here.

http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=40406

 

That is an awesome link!

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:37 AM

redraider56

I agree. This was a resin set and it was molded that way but I'll see if I can get more of a torn effect

FWIW, I use foil tape to make the "torn fabric" effect..

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Posted by redraider56 on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:12 PM

Thanks for the tip Hans.  Really hope you resurrect that dio by the way....

-Matt

On The Bench: 1/48 HK B-17G "Man-O-War II"

On Deck: 1/48 Tamiya P-38H, 1/48 Revell PV-1

 

 

 

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:33 PM

Unfortunately, the Fort was a total loss.. BUT... I have several others.. So the dio will be finished... I don't have that cat that destroyed it anymore either..

I found some more info regarding the dope used on fabric control surfaces (in a 1977 issue of Scale Model).. Seems there were two major ones, one a red iron-oxide dope (used because of it's UV protection capabilities), and one that was aluminum flakes in a clear carrier... So, my call would be to use the silver dope for US-built aircraft, since the iron-oxide red was generally a Brit color, although some US manufacturers used it as well... 

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Posted by propbmbrz on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:25 PM

These B-17's are looking good.  I just found this group a few weeks ago, but have been working on a 1/48 B-17 for a few years now as time allows.  Its been an interesting build, I started the kit back in 1983, and it sat dormant until about the time this group build started.  I have been finishing the seam work, and hope to start the final painting before september.  I didnt initially plan to do much more than an out of the box build, but that may change with the inspiration of this group.  I will have to post some pictures.

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Posted by handiabled on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:14 AM

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:16 PM

You're off to a good start... Keep in mind though, that the Fort's controls surfaces were fabric covered, hence the paint didn't really "chip" on them...

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Posted by handiabled on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:18 PM

Thanks!!   yeah I got carried away weathering so I'm planning on touching them up,,,Dunce   your work is amazing by the way  Bow Down

                                           Brent

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:59 PM

Thanksee, Brent.. But there's far better builds going on than mine, lol.. Mine bit the dust, too. Well, actually, the floor.... Damn cat.. Never got a chance to finish the Fort OR the diorama...

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:24 PM

Hans von Hammer

Thanksee, Brent.. But there's far better builds going on than mine, lol.. Mine bit the dust, too. Well, actually, the floor.... Damn cat.. Never got a chance to finish the Fort OR the diorama...

I dunno Hans ......me thinks your builds are up there with the best of em for sure

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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