ARMOR - Towed Gun Group Build (ends 7/1/04)

Boyd. 'Hanomag' is a generic term often applied to the 251 series. Hanomag of Hannover was in charge of the development of the SdKfz 11 3 ton chassis to make is suitable for fitting an amoured body to it. The actual body work was the responsibility of Bussing-Nag of Berlin.

Full production runs of the 251 series were manufactured in three stages-
Chassis by three other companies (including Skoda)
Body work by another 3 companes
final assembly by a further 3 companies. (9 different companies over all!)

In fact, Hanomag was not a producer of the vehicle as such but the name seems to have been attached somewhere along the way.

After the war, Chech companies, Skoda and Tatra continued to make the vehicles under the name OT-810.

QUOTE: Originally posted by bbrowniii QUOTE: Originally posted by jratz Yesterday while innocently walking an OHS (other hobby shop vs LHS), one of those AFV M-59 155's latched onto my arm & wouldn't let go, so I guess I have to do it. DEAR GOD MAN! Were you seriously injured? I think you need to get on the hook to Tom Ridge! This is definately a matter for Homeland Defense. "GET ME THE PENTAGON ON LINE 2, STAT!"

Nah, the wife didn't see it .... but I'll keep the thought as a fall-back another time ....

Is it 100? I seem to remember getting my second one at 200. Maybe I was wrong. Ah well

100... Well, that's doable. At the pace I'm going tonight, I might do it before I turn in for the evening.

On the suggestion of an earlier post, to satisfy my hunger, as it were, I have begun work on the Flakverling 37. I'm pretty much throwing it together, and I'll neaten it up after. My next challenge is to try to post some pictures of it up here. That way: a) I learn how to post pictures, and b) y'all can 'comment' on my work

By the way, I owe a word of thanks to all of you who provided references for me. The websites you all listed (back on page 16, I think) have been useful.

And finally, which one is the 251/10? That is NOT the Hanamog, right?

Actually you will get another one when you get to 100 posts.

200!!! Mother of PEARL! Its taken me like six months to get 46! I'll be 102 years old before I hit 200. Man! I gotta spend more time on this site!....

But I digress, towed guns. There, I'm back on topic

It's at 200 that you get your next one, then 500, then 1000, then I don't know.

I know what you mean, all these models will look SOOO cool. :)

Hey, how many posts do I need to get my next star?

I am SOOO excited to start this group build!

I gotta cut down on the caffeine. Look at this, I'm all over the map with this post...

QUOTE: Originally posted by jratz Yesterday while innocently walking an OHS (other hobby shop vs LHS), one of those AFV M-59 155's latched onto my arm & wouldn't let go, so I guess I have to do it.

DEAR GOD MAN! Were you seriously injured? I think you need to get on the hook to Tom Ridge! This is definately a matter for Homeland Defense.

"GET ME THE PENTAGON ON LINE 2, STAT!"

Larry, I don't think the 251/10 would have had a mortar in it too. They were used by platoon leaders, I think, and that would make for a lot of different ammo and radio equipment in one vehicle. Even the 251/2 was fazed out in favour of the 250/7 because it was considered overkill. These are just guesses though

By the way, if Dragon bring out a 250/7 I am quitting modelling and taking up needlecraft. Just converted one.

Matt

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat Thanks for the scoop Jon. Would have thought the 251/2 Mortar carrier or 251/7 engineer vehicle would have been easy for them, just the mortar and a few rounds or the side brackets and assault bridge (and a few bits and pieces for the inside) respectively. I want a 251/17 (2cm flak) luftwaffe version (the one with the drop down sides) but as usual I am dreaming (just like the dream of a mainstream manufacturer producing an affordable Archer, Sexton, Comet, etc) Wonder which gun shield they will use for the 251/10....probably the full shield from their 3.7mm kit. Be a nice gesture to have the lowered or half shields as options.

the photo of the 251/10 has the half shield, but its a photo of the real thing
Dragon has a 8cm mortar team on its way too, so they could combine the kits (if the 251/10 (oops) used the 8cm?)

Larry the late Sd Kfz 11 is a nice kit, it has a PE fret for the grill and the flatbed is like the type on the RSO (hope they bring a RSO out)

Found out what happened to my ICM kit. DIDN"T GET SENT OUT YET!! I'm royally pi$$3d off. Allanger CHARGED my stupid credit card, but didn't have my province, which is BS, cuz I have the confirmation clearly stating my address. I'm very very very angry.
Just add one more to the list of bad experiences I've had buying $#it off the internet.

QUOTE: Originally posted by johnpo I am in! Can't decide between German Flak 36 37, or 105 Howitzer. John

I built the Tamiya Flak 36/37 the not long ago and found it quite enjoyable. Very nice OOB but I am sure it could be improved if you were that way inclined. Comes with 9 figures and a motorcycle too.

Matt

QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman AFV Club are getting better with each kit they bring out ive got the Sd.Kfz 11 late and its a joy to build and ive just picked up the Pak 43/41 and it looks great with its pe shaped PE sheild and metal barrel heres my Sd.Kfz 11 (i need to finish it)

Hey, that's a really nice representation of the very plain late cab. Looks like it's coming along very nicely!

QUOTE: good luck on all your group builds ive gotto get my Panther done before i get into any more group builds

Don't I know it!!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat Waiting for someone like AFV Club to produce a US field piece worth hanging on the back of my 2 1/2.

The old Italeri 105mm howitzer is actually a nice enough little kit, but I know what you mean. The deuce and a half that was assigned to haul guns was the "short jimmy" with the short wheelbase, but I'm sure regular trucks pulled guns as well.

I am in! Can't decide between German Flak 36 37, or 105 Howitzer.
John

I'm really itching to finish with the M1 GB to start this one. It'll definitely present a nice change from the modern armour I"ve been building the last little while.

Hmmmmm. Somebody's startin early.....

Thanks for the scoop Jon.

Would have thought the 251/2 Mortar carrier or 251/7 engineer vehicle would have been easy for them, just the mortar and a few rounds or the side brackets and assault bridge (and a few bits and pieces for the inside) respectively.

I want a 251/17 (2cm flak) luftwaffe version (the one with the drop down sides) but as usual I am dreaming (just like the dream of a mainstream manufacturer producing an affordable Archer, Sexton, Comet, etc)

Wonder which gun shield they will use for the 251/10....probably the full shield from their 3.7mm kit. Be a nice gesture to have the lowered or half shields as options.

ive got the new Dragon catalouge and they have a
Sd.Kfz. 251/1 Ausf A listed and
Sd.Kfz. 251/10 3.7cm Pak
Sd.Kfz. 251/6 Ausf C Command vehicle
and Sd.Kfz. 252 ammo transporter with ammo trailer

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman [Anyone building Tamiya's Deuce and a half? Isn't Dragon and AFV coming out with a 251/1?

Waiting for someone like AFV Club to produce a US field piece worth hanging on the back of my 2 1/2.

DML's 251/1 Ausf C is already out. It is the later welded version and looks like a great kit. One of the guys in my club brought the unmade one to our meeting last Saturday. Comes with a heap of extra's for grunts including a pair of boots, uniform jacket and coat to drape on the seats or floor. It comes with a driver and some figures with their equipment.

They have moulded the gun slings to the guns for the 'fighting' figures (MP40 and Carbine) but straps are a little heavy. Carbines for racks in the vehicle are strapless. The stick grenades also look a little overscale. After looking at it, expect to see other versions in the future.

AFV Club have advertised the release of an Ausf C as well, and have included a colour flyer in the new Pak 43/41 88mm kit, but I don't know if it will be a bolted or welded version. Guess they were both trying to supercede the old inaccurate Tamiya Ausf C offering, but hey a decent Ausf A or B for the early war blitzkrieg period may have won them more fans, as the only one of that era I have seen was (Nichimo?) a shocker.

Well, I wanted to bypass this 'cause my project list is too long now, but ....
I have a Sovereign 2-pounder, but just couldn't wait for the build & thought that would get me off the hook, but .....
Yesterday while innocently walking an OHS (other hobby shop vs LHS), one of those AFV M-59 155's latched onto my arm & wouldn't let go, so I guess I have to do it.
Now I've got till the 15th to figure out how I want to do it & gather any other stuff needed.

Great pic Jon. That does look like an intriguing kit. I'm still holding out for AFV's Pak 40. It's supposed to come out in April. If I can't wait it will be a hard decision. I really want to build a gun, something different. However, there are a lot of half tracks and trucks out there. Anyone building Tamiya's Deuce and a half? Isn't Dragon and AFV coming out with a 251/1?

QUOTE: Originally posted by phroosh As far as I know, the Sdkfz 250/9 was a replacement for the Sdkfz 222/223 armoured cars and was used for reconaisance almost exclusively. The tough conditions on the eastern front rendered the armoured cars unusable, so a tracked vehicle was required. A Sdkfz 251 towing a Pak 40 on the other hand is a likely scenario on any front. I'm not sure that the 250/9 would have towed either. I am definitely not sure though! Matt

That's correct according to my info too, I just really like the 250/9 (Alte) and it's 20mm armament would match the flak 38.
I'm pretty set on the 251/1 and Pak 40. The Pak 40 comes with a crew and if I decide to do it in tow they should be easy to modify to a sitting position.

QUOTE: Originally posted by claymore68 I have slight dilemma! I will be finishing the 25pdr/FGT for the build but will be doing another combo as well. So here's the dilemma I have an SdKfz 251/1 (Old Tamiya Ausf. C ?) and a Tamiya 250/9 to mate with either a 20mm Flakvierling or Pak 40/L46, 75mm. I think the 250/flak would make an excellent looking combo (marked for an infantry AA unit) but there would be no room for the flak crew (I could add the Kubel for crew transport) and no flak crew. I am thinking of an Italy setting and was wondering if this would be reasonably accurate, was the 250 in use in Italy? should I just use the 251? should I pull my hair out? should I stop trying creativity and go buy the Horch/pak combo? AAAUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe I should hook the Pak to an M2 halftrack

As far as I know, the Sdkfz 250/9 was a replacement for the Sdkfz 222/223 armoured cars and was used for reconaisance almost exclusively. The tough conditions on the eastern front rendered the armoured cars unusable, so a tracked vehicle was required. A Sdkfz 251 towing a Pak 40 on the other hand is a likely scenario on any front. I'm not sure that the 250/9 would have towed either. I am definitely not sure though!

Matt

just a thought, but if I do join(probably will but I have to get a gun first-or just use a Flak 38 I already had, but.. for the adventurous one
but one of those mosters from world war one-like the ones where a guy could fit down the barrel, and a shell, on its mobile carrier could be lobbed like 18 miles
or
try
atomic annie

I've only built one kit by AFV, and it was great fun to build. I haven't heard anything bad about the sdkfz 11. I know what you mean about the prices. Italeri IS fully half the price of either the tamiya or afv equivs, so it's fully up to you. I've built far more italeri, simply because the price IS quite a determining factor for me. They're not bad kits. I really enjoyed the opel maultier

I have slight dilemma! I will be finishing the 25pdr/FGT for the build but will be doing another combo as well. So here's the dilemma
I have an SdKfz 251/1 (Old Tamiya Ausf. C ?) and a Tamiya 250/9 to mate with either a 20mm Flakvierling or Pak 40/L46, 75mm. I think the 250/flak would make an excellent looking combo (marked for an infantry AA unit) but there would be no room for the flak crew (I could add the Kubel for crew transport) and no flak crew. I am thinking of an Italy setting and was wondering if this would be reasonably accurate, was the 250 in use in Italy? should I just use the 251? should I pull my hair out? should I stop trying creativity and go buy the Horch/pak combo?

AAAUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I should hook the Pak to an M2 halftrack

AFV Club are getting better with each kit they bring out
ive got the Sd.Kfz 11 late and its a joy to build and ive just picked up the Pak 43/41 and it looks great with its pe shaped PE sheild and metal barrel
heres my Sd.Kfz 11 (i need to finish it)


good luck on all your group builds
ive gotto get my Panther done before i get into any more group builds

Thanks for the pic Zokissima.

Are AFV club kits good? If you guys think they are I might put away the pennys and go for the Sdkfz 11, as I have not tried them or Allans, who make the Sig 33. The Sdkfz 11 goes for about $50 Australian, which is comparable to Dragon, and less than Tamiya. The Italeri truck kits go for around half that.

Thoughts anyone?

Matt